Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Primus


Ask NFL scouts that question. Why do they love DEs who can run a 4.6? IDK, maybe it has to do with the way pass-rushing is THE most important factor in stopping the pass at any level.

they love them cause they want to convert them to OLB's in the 3-4.

Originally posted by Bloodfart
Originally posted by Primus



Ask NFL scouts that question. Why do they love DEs who can run a 4.6? IDK, maybe it has to do with the way pass-rushing is THE most important factor in stopping the pass at any level.

they love them cause they want to convert them to OLB's in the 3-4.


Of course that would cause them to suddenly become all retarded, slow, and weak in GLB.

lolOOP

Is this a good build?

(Lv. 50 DT)
Ht/Wt: 6'1", 315lbs

Experience, Skill Points, and Cash
Money: $130568
Daily Salary: $6000
Skill Points: 0
Training Points: 0
Bonus Tokens: 7
Veteran Points: 0
Next Level: 705/1000

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 99.33
Speed: 60.5
Agility: 62.33
Jumping: 35.41
Stamina: 46.86
Vision: 50.39
Confidence: 48.43

Football Skills
Blocking: 33.54
Catching: 17
Tackling: 65.33
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 9
Punting: 10

Special Abilities
Pass Rusher Abilities
The Glare: 2
Shed Blocks: 3
Swat Ball: 2
Strong Base: 2
Big Sack: 1

Run Stuffer Abilities
Wall: 3
Break Through: 5
Snarl: 2
Big Hit: 4
D-Line General: 3

Veteran Abilities
Clutch: 15
Pass Rusher: 1
Power Tackler: 15

Originally posted by Bloodfart
Originally posted by Primus



Ask NFL scouts that question. Why do they love DEs who can run a 4.6? IDK, maybe it has to do with the way pass-rushing is THE most important factor in stopping the pass at any level.

they love them cause they want to convert them to OLB's in the 3-4.


Like 4.6-running Mario Williams? Or Julius Peppers? Or Reggie White? Or Dwight Freeney? Or Derrick Burgess? Or Osi? Or Jason Taylor? The list goes on and on but maybe you get the point: speed IS important for rushing the passer at DE.

Originally posted by Primus
Originally posted by Bloodfart

Originally posted by Primus




Ask NFL scouts that question. Why do they love DEs who can run a 4.6? IDK, maybe it has to do with the way pass-rushing is THE most important factor in stopping the pass at any level.

they love them cause they want to convert them to OLB's in the 3-4.


Like 4.6-running Mario Williams? Or Julius Peppers? Or Reggie White? Or Dwight Freeney? Or Derrick Burgess? Or Osi? Or Jason Taylor? The list goes on and on but maybe you get the point: speed IS important for rushing the passer at DE.

I've tried explaining this so many times, and it never seems to sink in.

Originally posted by Bert28


Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 99.33
Speed: 60.5
Agility: 62.33
Jumping: 35.41
Stamina: 46.86
Vision: 50.39
Confidence: 48.43
Tackling: 65.33


Special Abilities
Pass Rusher Abilities
The Glare: 2
Shed Blocks: 3
Swat Ball: 2
Strong Base: 2
Big Sack: 1

Run Stuffer Abilities
Wall: 3
Break Through: 5
Snarl: 2
Big Hit: 4
D-Line General: 3

Veteran Abilities
Clutch: 15
Pass Rusher: 1
Power Tackler: 15

It is decent. Try more like one of the following at level 50

115 strength
80 agility
70 speed
61 tackling
50 stamina, vision, confidence
10/11 DLG

80 strength
120 agility
75 speed
61 tackling
50 stamina, vision, confidence
11 shed block


100 strength
100 agility
75 speed
61 tackling
50 stamina, vision, confidence
11 shed block

Originally posted by Primus
Originally posted by Bloodfart

Originally posted by Primus




Ask NFL scouts that question. Why do they love DEs who can run a 4.6? IDK, maybe it has to do with the way pass-rushing is THE most important factor in stopping the pass at any level.

they love them cause they want to convert them to OLB's in the 3-4.


Like 4.6-running Mario Williams? Or Julius Peppers? Or Reggie White? Or Dwight Freeney? Or Derrick Burgess? Or Osi? Or Jason Taylor? The list goes on and on but maybe you get the point: speed IS important for rushing the passer at DE.

Freeney ran a 4.3

Originally posted by tmacfan1
Originally posted by Primus

Originally posted by Bloodfart


Originally posted by Primus





Ask NFL scouts that question. Why do they love DEs who can run a 4.6? IDK, maybe it has to do with the way pass-rushing is THE most important factor in stopping the pass at any level.

they love them cause they want to convert them to OLB's in the 3-4.


Like 4.6-running Mario Williams? Or Julius Peppers? Or Reggie White? Or Dwight Freeney? Or Derrick Burgess? Or Osi? Or Jason Taylor? The list goes on and on but maybe you get the point: speed IS important for rushing the passer at DE.

Freeney ran a 4.3

Stupid build, thats like a CB, would never work in real life.....wait wat?

Originally posted by
Originally posted by Maddoc

Like 4.6-running Mario Williams? Or Julius Peppers? Or Reggie White? Or Dwight Freeney? Or Derrick Burgess? Or Osi? Or Jason Taylor? The list goes on and on but maybe you get the point: speed IS important for rushing the passer at DE.

I've tried explaining this so many times, and it never seems to sink in.

How much do each of those guys bench and squat? How many reps could they do at 225?


Speed is important, but it is also only part of the equation. There are multiple reasons Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson, and Ronnie Lott couldn't play DE and lack of speed wasn't one of them.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by

Originally posted by Maddoc


Like 4.6-running Mario Williams? Or Julius Peppers? Or Reggie White? Or Dwight Freeney? Or Derrick Burgess? Or Osi? Or Jason Taylor? The list goes on and on but maybe you get the point: speed IS important for rushing the passer at DE.

I've tried explaining this so many times, and it never seems to sink in.

How much do each of those guys bench and squat? How many reps could they do at 225?


Speed is important, but it is also only part of the equation. There are multiple reasons Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson, and Ronnie Lott couldn't play DE and lack of speed wasn't one of them.



Very true, but the point was refuting the claim that DEs DO NOT need speed.

I was going to retire my DE before this season because I had faith that Bort would address the DE/OT interaction this year.

So I'm not paying to boost my DE and he's going to retire ASAP.

Originally posted by Primus
Originally posted by Bloodfart

Originally posted by Primus




Ask NFL scouts that question. Why do they love DEs who can run a 4.6? IDK, maybe it has to do with the way pass-rushing is THE most important factor in stopping the pass at any level.

they love them cause they want to convert them to OLB's in the 3-4.


Like 4.6-running Mario Williams? Or Julius Peppers? Or Reggie White? Or Dwight Freeney? Or Derrick Burgess? Or Osi? Or Jason Taylor? The list goes on and on but maybe you get the point: speed IS important for rushing the passer at DE.

you sure all those guys are 3-4 ends?

Originally posted by Bloodfart
Originally posted by Primus

Originally posted by Bloodfart


Originally posted by Primus





Ask NFL scouts that question. Why do they love DEs who can run a 4.6? IDK, maybe it has to do with the way pass-rushing is THE most important factor in stopping the pass at any level.

they love them cause they want to convert them to OLB's in the 3-4.


Like 4.6-running Mario Williams? Or Julius Peppers? Or Reggie White? Or Dwight Freeney? Or Derrick Burgess? Or Osi? Or Jason Taylor? The list goes on and on but maybe you get the point: speed IS important for rushing the passer at DE.

you sure all those guys are 3-4 ends?

True. None of those guys are playing DE in 3-4 systems, although Reggie, Mario, and probably Julius could.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by Bloodfart

Originally posted by Primus


Originally posted by Bloodfart



Originally posted by Primus






Ask NFL scouts that question. Why do they love DEs who can run a 4.6? IDK, maybe it has to do with the way pass-rushing is THE most important factor in stopping the pass at any level.

they love them cause they want to convert them to OLB's in the 3-4.


Like 4.6-running Mario Williams? Or Julius Peppers? Or Reggie White? Or Dwight Freeney? Or Derrick Burgess? Or Osi? Or Jason Taylor? The list goes on and on but maybe you get the point: speed IS important for rushing the passer at DE.

you sure all those guys are 3-4 ends?

True. None of those guys are playing DE in 3-4 systems, although Reggie, Mario, and probably Julius could.



That's why because DEs in the 34 aren't used to rush the passer, that's not how that system works. They're used to occupy blockers so those OLBs don't have to beat a tackle to the QB, just a RB or a TE.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by Bloodfart

Originally posted by Primus


Originally posted by Bloodfart



Originally posted by Primus






Ask NFL scouts that question. Why do they love DEs who can run a 4.6? IDK, maybe it has to do with the way pass-rushing is THE most important factor in stopping the pass at any level.

they love them cause they want to convert them to OLB's in the 3-4.


Like 4.6-running Mario Williams? Or Julius Peppers? Or Reggie White? Or Dwight Freeney? Or Derrick Burgess? Or Osi? Or Jason Taylor? The list goes on and on but maybe you get the point: speed IS important for rushing the passer at DE.

you sure all those guys are 3-4 ends?

True. None of those guys are playing DE in 3-4 systems, although Reggie, Mario, and probably Julius could.



Totally beside the point I believe was being made. Primus asks why the NFL covets 4.6 DEs, Bloodfart says the NFL wants to convert them all to 3-4 LBs and gets a list of 4.6 DEs who play pass-rushing, 4-3 DE shoved in his face (disproving his previous claim). Then he asks if they are all 3-4 DEs? Does not add up, and I think he totally lost track of what he himself was talking about.