Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Hukton Vioxx
Originally posted by PP

Originally posted by jrry32


Originally posted by thehazyone



I just think the season 9 sim will favor your team. From what I've seen of the test server games (the ones available for everyone to view), the running game sucks ass.

And that's not right. Bort needs to learn how to balance it, making one thing suck ass at the start of the season is what caused all the problems last season. This is a bit early for me to complain so I'll wait and see but if he ruined the run game, he ruined the S9 sim.

1st, Hazy, thanks again, but it doesn't matter. You're the champ.

jrry, couldn't agree more, but, unfortunately, like him, hate him or even if you're indifferent to him, that's Bort's MO in a nutshell. I've been watching test games too. From what I've gathered, tkling looks to be bumped up again, PBs are all but dead (breaking tkls at less than 6% of their runs, and it not mattering much when they do because they get swarmed under right away anyway), the run game is extremely marginal and the pass game is over powered. Take all of that with a grain of salt, due to it being test sims and test builds, but not overly encouraging. Unfortunately, it lines up perfectly with the history of this game...Over react by killing the positions/plays and over powering the opposing position/counter play and then switch it back the other way in a ssn or 2. I do think he is trying to make a great game, it's just that he over reacts to mass outcries.

The whole thing with power backs being too hard to tackle was proved wrong this season by many teams who just didn't miss many. That isn't the problem at all. I really hope that isn't how he plans to deal with this again since it hasn't worked the last two times he tried it...

Hopefully its just preliminary stuff...

And pass blocking actually needs an upgrade, though not a major one.

WHAT?!?!? Pass blocking needs a down grade if anything, it's a problem when not 1 USA Pro West RDE could get 10 sacks last season.

Originally posted by PP
Originally posted by jrry32

Originally posted by thehazyone


I just think the season 9 sim will favor your team. From what I've seen of the test server games (the ones available for everyone to view), the running game sucks ass.

And that's not right. Bort needs to learn how to balance it, making one thing suck ass at the start of the season is what caused all the problems last season. This is a bit early for me to complain so I'll wait and see but if he ruined the run game, he ruined the S9 sim.

1st, Hazy, thanks again, but it doesn't matter. You're the champ.

jrry, couldn't agree more, but, unfortunately, like him, hate him or even if you're indifferent to him, that's Bort's MO in a nutshell. I've been watching test games too. From what I've gathered, tkling looks to be bumped up again, PBs are all but dead (breaking tkls at less than 6% of their runs, and it not mattering much when they do because they get swarmed under right away anyway), the run game is extremely marginal and the pass game is over powered. Take all of that with a grain of salt, due to it being test sims and test builds, but not overly encouraging. Unfortunately, it lines up perfectly with the history of this game...Over react by killing the positions/plays and over powering the opposing position/counter play and then switch it back the other way in a ssn or 2. I do think he is trying to make a great game, it's just that he over reacts to mass outcries.

I am sad he always has to over react, it's just getting to the point where if S9 sucks, I am done. Power HBs weren't a problem last season, the Slam was the problem. Most teams did a pretty good job of slowing down power HBs. And yea Hazy, I hope he does fix it.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2453739

I've posted all the discussion going on re: the running game. If anyone has questions/ideas/suggestions, please post there and please keep the flaming to a minimum.

DE's sack numbers were down because of all the strong islams running around imo

Originally posted by StinkCheese
DE's sack numbers were down because of all the strong islams running around imo

Did the TFL go up?

What was sacks/passes ratio before/after?

Originally posted by StinkCheese
DE's sack numbers were down because of all the strong islams running around imo

I didn't realize there were so many islams playing football these days 0_0

Originally posted by StinkCheese
DE's sack numbers were down because of all the strong islams running around imo

Not really StinkCheese, ask Wise about it. He broke it all down.

OTR..... aiming for that number 1 spot.

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by StinkCheese

DE's sack numbers were down because of all the strong islams running around imo

Not really StinkCheese, ask Wise about it. He broke it all down.

i saw that post in the GLB forum awhile ago

Originally posted by jktooley
OTR..... aiming for that number 1 spot.

Who isn't?

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by Hukton Vioxx

Originally posted by PP


Originally posted by jrry32



Originally posted by thehazyone




I just think the season 9 sim will favor your team. From what I've seen of the test server games (the ones available for everyone to view), the running game sucks ass.

And that's not right. Bort needs to learn how to balance it, making one thing suck ass at the start of the season is what caused all the problems last season. This is a bit early for me to complain so I'll wait and see but if he ruined the run game, he ruined the S9 sim.

1st, Hazy, thanks again, but it doesn't matter. You're the champ.

jrry, couldn't agree more, but, unfortunately, like him, hate him or even if you're indifferent to him, that's Bort's MO in a nutshell. I've been watching test games too. From what I've gathered, tkling looks to be bumped up again, PBs are all but dead (breaking tkls at less than 6% of their runs, and it not mattering much when they do because they get swarmed under right away anyway), the run game is extremely marginal and the pass game is over powered. Take all of that with a grain of salt, due to it being test sims and test builds, but not overly encouraging. Unfortunately, it lines up perfectly with the history of this game...Over react by killing the positions/plays and over powering the opposing position/counter play and then switch it back the other way in a ssn or 2. I do think he is trying to make a great game, it's just that he over reacts to mass outcries.

The whole thing with power backs being too hard to tackle was proved wrong this season by many teams who just didn't miss many. That isn't the problem at all. I really hope that isn't how he plans to deal with this again since it hasn't worked the last two times he tried it...

Hopefully its just preliminary stuff...

And pass blocking actually needs an upgrade, though not a major one.

WHAT?!?!? Pass blocking needs a down grade if anything, it's a problem when not 1 USA Pro West RDE could get 10 sacks last season.



Pass blocking definitely needs a downgrade...that way Cote can finally break 100 sacks.

Originally posted by thehazyone
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2453739

I've posted all the discussion going on re: the running game. If anyone has questions/ideas/suggestions, please post there and please keep the flaming to a minimum.

Since you asked to keep flaming to a minimum there, Hazy, I'll flame you here instead. BTW, this isn't really meant as a flame and sorry it is so long winded.

Those tests you ran, though 100% needed (and I thank you for running them and sharing the results) are exactly why I feel I shouldn't have to play against testers. Now, hopefully, Bort does make more adjustments to the sim. I agree that everything I've seen indicates that, if not, he has ruined the run game. However, if he doesn't, you know know which run plays work at all and how far you can push your D into pass coverage mode, while still not having to worry about the run. You know what you can expect out of power backs and a handful of other things.

Now, all you have to do is run a series of tests to find pass play exploits. While doing that (again, something that needs to be done), you'll find which pass plays work best under this sim, as well as which pass D settings are best suited to stop them. All that has to occur even when someone isn't purposefully trying to gain an advantage.

Accomplishing all that takes most teams well into regular ssn to learn, costing them wasted plays to do so, but any tester can have those answers before ssn begins. I KNOW you are doing the things that need to be done and I FIRMLY believe that your motives are pure. I also GREATLY appreciate that you choose to share this with us. That said, would any tester in the world run plays they knew were horrible in a USA Pro game (or in any other competitive league against a competitive team)? You'd be totally screwing your players if you did. Nontesting owners and GMs have to run them or we'll never know if they work or not. That's the sole reason I use scrims as test games, and that isn't even enough and risks showing other teams our weaknesses.

Pls understand what I mean by all of this. Absolutely none of this is personal. Under the current, horribly flawed system in place, I'm thrilled that you are a tester and don't believe you are doing anything remotely "wrong." I mean that sincerely. It's just that this system, since it uses active players, creates an uneven playing field by default. You have a run team. Your tests were 100% legit, 100% needed and 100% understandable. However, you can't tell me that you didn't learn anything, even though it was simply a byproduct of legit testing, that you won't apply to your team. Because you are who you are, you choose to share that with others, if they ask ,or, in this case, if you think it's important enough to post. Since I can only remember seeing posts from a couple of testers, apparently most of them don't share that eagerness to share info. Also, even for those that do, the other owners have to find it.

Active playing/team owning/team GMing testers appears to be the way Bort is going to go, no matter what. IMO, that sucks, but it's also reality. However, since that's the case, all of this is yet another example of why we need read access to the testers' forum...Unlike what Bort said in his response to me (pasted at the bottom), things are going on there and we're just not being kept updated on what it is. Apparently I'm one of the few that seem to think this is an issue anyway. So,I'll try to shut up about it now. I just felt the need to get this out of my system.


Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by PP

and, btw, what the hell has happened to the tester blog? I have an EXTREMELY hard time believing that nothing else is going on there, yet the updates are coming fewer and further between...I GREATLY appreciate what you're doing here r8, and I mean that sincerely. Thank you, but, aside from what you're doing, this is exactly why I was pushing for read access to the testers forum (or, better yet, not having active players being testers). In this state, info is only being pieced out and only by those that have the desire/willingness to do so, like r8 has been here. Sorry, but, since I have to play against more and more of these guys every ssn (you know, the ones that don't care about winning, but are somehow in pro leagues anyway), this lack of transparency is BS, IMO.

We've been doing a bit less work recently due to me being busy with teams and such for offseason. We'll get back on track shortly!

Originally posted by thehazyone

4. Las Vegas - yea, I know we won the title, but I think that was more a reflection of our ability to adjust defensively to the Strong I Slam than anything. We'll still be good, but I think there are better teams than us in the East.

3. OFG's - the OFG's rode the Strong I Slam's coat tails last season. They won't be able to rely on that this year, but the good news is they actually have the talent and ability to do other things.


You beat us twice last year (granted they were VERY close games). I think it's fair to rank the gamblers at #3! We need to redeem ourselves after a rough year.

We're coming back for revenge mothersuckers.

PP is definately right. You can't tell me that if you're a tester you never use things you have tested in the regular gameplay. I find that is smells of wrong-doing that you're the only team that figured out how to stop czonka.. Is it just great work in scouting and testing in scrims by you? Maybe.. Could you have set up a test game simulating czonka and figured out how to stop him that way? easily.. Now I can't say that you cheated. Like I said it smells of wrong-doing but we will never know for sure. Even if you're innocent there's always going to be that doubt in the back of my mind. That's the problem with Testers being owners/gm's of teams in the regular leagues. PP made a great point and this post is just to second that point. That is all.