Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Jose Bagg
If the forum ban is a punishment, then Bort and DD need to sack up and deny service. Right now they are essentially keeping the bad customers around to keep their cash flowing in while denying them only part of the service. [...] It would be good business to be in the customer service industry and not the customer punishment industry.

I understand and like what you're saying here: punish them enough to reduce their effect on other customers while keeping their money coming in. However, just because someone pays doesn't render them immune; they're still subject to Ts & Cs. I think that if administration were to punish violators to that extent, they'd want to do it in a way such that if they still wish to pay for the basic product without being able to interact with others, they could.

In a word, you are absolutely right that it would make things much more clear-cut if the punishment was a complete removal than a partial one.

Originally posted by Jose Bagg

But you don't get it. We are making a suggestion for Change. Just because Bort and DD have deemed something, does not make it unchangeable law. Bort and DD do not speak axiom into existence. They run a business, and at least one of them makes a habit of listening to his customers as evidenced by many changes and nerfs both good and bad.

Well, thats fine. Make a suggestion for change. That doesn't change what is fact right now.

Originally posted by JDaniels127
Originally posted by Jose Bagg


But you don't get it. We are making a suggestion for Change. Just because Bort and DD have deemed something, does not make it unchangeable law. Bort and DD do not speak axiom into existence. They run a business, and at least one of them makes a habit of listening to his customers as evidenced by many changes and nerfs both good and bad.

Well, thats fine. Make a suggestion for change. That doesn't change what is fact right now.



Which is why if you look up at the top you will find the word 'Suggestions'

We came to the right place.

Originally posted by JDaniels127

Well, thats fine. Make a suggestion for change. That doesn't change what is fact right now.

Nor does it change someone's ability to disagree with the suggested change.

Pretty much I think that someone who is permanently banned shouldn't be able to post in any forum instead of retaining their access to some. That does, of course, encourage doppelgängers...

Originally posted by JDaniels127
Originally posted by oldskool
Originally posted by JDaniels127
Originally posted by oldskool
Just because the popular bar threw someone out doesn't make it illegal for the smaller bar down the street to serve them. If it was, the popular bar could just throw out anybody that came into their bar that went to the smaller one in order to run them out of business.

Wrong analogy. This would be equivilent of saying "Well I won't say in the bar I'll goto my friends private VIP section" to which the bar would say "Get the Fuck outta here"

Which would be illegal had the bar sold the VIP section to this friend, which is the case with private forums.

Actually it's not illegal. If you can find me a law where it says it is, then I'll quit discussing this.

Just because your friend bought a VIP section doesn't mean whoever you want can come into that VIP section. True Story.

I plead the fifth:
...nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

The forum is mine, you can't tell me what to do with it "for the sake of the people", i.e. not letting banned users post in it, without compensating me. I'm not getting compensated for the fact that I'm being told who I can and can't converse with in the forum I paid for.

Originally posted by WearyWarrior


Which is why if you look up at the top you will find the word 'Suggestions'

We came to the right place.

I agree with that. However, some of the discussion haven't been about change, it's been about how it should have been all along.

Bort and DD have the right to either allow them to post in private forums, or not.

Originally posted by dmfa41
Originally posted by Jose Bagg

If the forum ban is a punishment, then Bort and DD need to sack up and deny service. Right now they are essentially keeping the bad customers around to keep their cash flowing in while denying them only part of the service. [...] It would be good business to be in the customer service industry and not the customer punishment industry.

I understand and like what you're saying here: punish them enough to reduce their effect on other customers while keeping their money coming in. However, just because someone pays doesn't render them immune; they're still subject to Ts & Cs. I think that if administration were to punish violators to that extent, they'd want to do it in a way such that if they still wish to pay for the basic product without being able to interact with others, they could.

In a word, you are absolutely right that it would make things much more clear-cut if the punishment was a complete removal than a partial one.

With that being admitted, you can see why the current situation is unpalatable. It is inconsistent with the rules we are all expected to follow and stinks heavily of personal vendetta and stinks slightly of greed. I would much rather Bort and DD operated their business in the best interest of their good customers. Keep the trouble makers out of the public view, but let them come to our private forums.

Originally posted by oldskool


The forum is mine, you can't tell me what to do with it "for the sake of the people", i.e. not letting banned users post in it, without compensating me. I'm not getting compensated for the fact that I'm being told who I can and can't converse with in the forum I paid for.

Talk about taking something way out of content. Also you are basically renting the server space. You paid for the Private Forum as long as you play them game. You can't take it with you, you can't move it.

It's not "Yours". It has been loaned to you by the owner.

If you were to become BANNED from the game, the rights of your players and your forum return to the owners.

Therefore you do not OWN it.

Originally posted by Jose Bagg
Originally posted by dmfa41

Originally posted by Jose Bagg


If the forum ban is a punishment, then Bort and DD need to sack up and deny service. Right now they are essentially keeping the bad customers around to keep their cash flowing in while denying them only part of the service. [...] It would be good business to be in the customer service industry and not the customer punishment industry.

I understand and like what you're saying here: punish them enough to reduce their effect on other customers while keeping their money coming in. However, just because someone pays doesn't render them immune; they're still subject to Ts & Cs. I think that if administration were to punish violators to that extent, they'd want to do it in a way such that if they still wish to pay for the basic product without being able to interact with others, they could.

In a word, you are absolutely right that it would make things much more clear-cut if the punishment was a complete removal than a partial one.

With that being admitted, you can see why the current situation is unpalatable. It is inconsistent with the rules we are all expected to follow and stinks heavily of personal vendetta and stinks slightly of greed. I would much rather Bort and DD operated their business in the best interest of their good customers. Keep the trouble makers out of the public view, but let them come to our private forums.

The game is separate from the forums.

Team forums have been deemed part of the game by Bort and DD.

Private forums are not part of the game. They are a bonus, like the forums are. You agreed to the forum rules. That is what you will be removed from if you break those rules.

Originally posted by JDaniels127
Originally posted by WearyWarrior



Which is why if you look up at the top you will find the word 'Suggestions'

We came to the right place.

I agree with that. However, some of the discussion haven't been about change, it's been about how it should have been all along.

Bort and DD have the right to either allow them to post in private forums, or not.



Would it change your mind if they were banned for supporting Obama?

Would it change your mind if they were banned for saying another user shouldn't be posting racist remarks?

Would it change your mind if they were banned for helping a kid with his algebra?

Would it change your mind if they were banned for passionately expressing their true feelings?

Originally posted by Jose Bagg
With that being admitted, you can see why the current situation is unpalatable. It is inconsistent with the rules we are all expected to follow and stinks heavily of personal vendetta and stinks slightly of greed. I would much rather Bort and DD operated their business in the best interest of their good customers. Keep the trouble makers out of the public view, but let them come to our private forums.

You're right, it is unpalatable, but I don't agree with what you're saying about its purpose. The point of the permanent ban is to punish the person who broke the rules, not so much to keep rule-breakers away from others.

I don't know anything about any personal vendettas, but businesses do tend to exist for profit.

Originally posted by Jose Bagg

Would it change your mind if they were banned for supporting Obama?

Would it change your mind if they were banned for saying another user shouldn't be posting racist remarks?

Would it change your mind if they were banned for helping a kid with his algebra?

Would it change your mind if they were banned for passionately expressing their true feelings?

Would it change your mind if they were banned for repeatedly breaking forum rules, and attacking mods in PM's that banned them?

Originally posted by JDaniels127
Originally posted by Jose Bagg

Originally posted by dmfa41


Originally posted by Jose Bagg



If the forum ban is a punishment, then Bort and DD need to sack up and deny service. Right now they are essentially keeping the bad customers around to keep their cash flowing in while denying them only part of the service. [...] It would be good business to be in the customer service industry and not the customer punishment industry.

I understand and like what you're saying here: punish them enough to reduce their effect on other customers while keeping their money coming in. However, just because someone pays doesn't render them immune; they're still subject to Ts & Cs. I think that if administration were to punish violators to that extent, they'd want to do it in a way such that if they still wish to pay for the basic product without being able to interact with others, they could.

In a word, you are absolutely right that it would make things much more clear-cut if the punishment was a complete removal than a partial one.

With that being admitted, you can see why the current situation is unpalatable. It is inconsistent with the rules we are all expected to follow and stinks heavily of personal vendetta and stinks slightly of greed. I would much rather Bort and DD operated their business in the best interest of their good customers. Keep the trouble makers out of the public view, but let them come to our private forums.

The game is separate from the forums.

Team forums have been deemed part of the game by Bort and DD.

Private forums are not part of the game. They are a bonus, like the forums are. You agreed to the forum rules. That is what you will be removed from if you break those rules.

I thought we covered that. What they deem can't be used to support arguments about whether or not they should be deeming it. This is the suggestions forum. That was covered on this very page.

they were banned , thats it no thanks for coming ,no nothing , they broke the rules big time they should go !