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Mordaloch
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QB Scrambler
5'11" - 6'3", 190-230 Lbs
Major Agility Throwing Vision (+.67)
Minor Confidence Speed Strength (+.33)
Bonus SA's - On The Run, Dump Pass
Penalty SA's - Pump Fake, Turn The Shoulder
I am not sure making Turn the Shoulder a penalty SA for a scrambling QB especially since the Scrambler VA gives bonus to Turn the Shoulder I would recommend a different SA to get a penalty something like pocket presence or something makes more sense as a penalty SA.
also for pocket passer i would recommend pocket presence to be a bonus SA that makes more sense to me.
5'11" - 6'3", 190-230 Lbs
Major Agility Throwing Vision (+.67)
Minor Confidence Speed Strength (+.33)
Bonus SA's - On The Run, Dump Pass
Penalty SA's - Pump Fake, Turn The Shoulder
I am not sure making Turn the Shoulder a penalty SA for a scrambling QB especially since the Scrambler VA gives bonus to Turn the Shoulder I would recommend a different SA to get a penalty something like pocket presence or something makes more sense as a penalty SA.
also for pocket passer i would recommend pocket presence to be a bonus SA that makes more sense to me.
Edited by Mordaloch on Feb 8, 2010 23:57:03
Tigam
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Originally posted by jdros13
within that archetype...no, not really.
But there are different benefits to each arechetype, so there will be different builds.
One of those types will be better than the other. Which one do you think people will choose?
And for the record... There are plenty of people out there who don't know how to build a toon. There are plenty of different builds out there.
within that archetype...no, not really.
But there are different benefits to each arechetype, so there will be different builds.
One of those types will be better than the other. Which one do you think people will choose?
And for the record... There are plenty of people out there who don't know how to build a toon. There are plenty of different builds out there.
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Originally posted by chefsjg71
Those of us that understand its a RPG as well understand that the benefit of having a superior player is in the percentage increases that the rolls will go your way. How is it not more beneficial to not just reroll a team as opposed to trading them into the new archetype players. Notice I said beneficial and you said basically you don't have to. Sort of a big difference there.. Being that the auto leveling is changing, you would benefit from scraping and starting over. The cost of doing so if what a lot of us are having the problem with. Not the new system I'm thinking....
Well, his team will be two seasons older than all of the new players. So, if he's building well, he's not going to have to go up against them maybe ever. These new players aren't going to be so much better than older players that they'll be able to make up huge level gaps.
Those of us that understand its a RPG as well understand that the benefit of having a superior player is in the percentage increases that the rolls will go your way. How is it not more beneficial to not just reroll a team as opposed to trading them into the new archetype players. Notice I said beneficial and you said basically you don't have to. Sort of a big difference there.. Being that the auto leveling is changing, you would benefit from scraping and starting over. The cost of doing so if what a lot of us are having the problem with. Not the new system I'm thinking....
Well, his team will be two seasons older than all of the new players. So, if he's building well, he's not going to have to go up against them maybe ever. These new players aren't going to be so much better than older players that they'll be able to make up huge level gaps.
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Originally posted by reddogrw
so basically, I'll never be able to get a LB with a couple of pieces of SV - which really sucks since their SA trees are horrible
or a CB KR/PR with 2 pieces of Spin
I think this decision needs to be revisited, unless I am not reading things correctly
Ummm no you can get AEQ with SV. This has nothing to do with the current AEQ.
For example, let's say we make a Scrambling Passer Custom SA - it'll be something like "Runs Fast" - THIS SA would not be available through AEQ, all the other ones would still be.
thank you for that clarification
Originally posted by reddogrw
so basically, I'll never be able to get a LB with a couple of pieces of SV - which really sucks since their SA trees are horrible
or a CB KR/PR with 2 pieces of Spin
I think this decision needs to be revisited, unless I am not reading things correctly
Ummm no you can get AEQ with SV. This has nothing to do with the current AEQ.
For example, let's say we make a Scrambling Passer Custom SA - it'll be something like "Runs Fast" - THIS SA would not be available through AEQ, all the other ones would still be.
thank you for that clarification
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Originally posted by cubsluver22
That's another statement I see that flies around more and more Everyday. Not gonna make every customer happy! Looks to me more customers are displeased with this idea than pleased! Again some things needed to be tweaked not over hauled!
Selective reading imo
That's another statement I see that flies around more and more Everyday. Not gonna make every customer happy! Looks to me more customers are displeased with this idea than pleased! Again some things needed to be tweaked not over hauled!
Selective reading imo
Originally posted by cubsluver22
That's another statement I see that flies around more and more Everyday. Not gonna make every customer happy! Looks to me more customers are displeased with this idea than pleased! Again some things needed to be tweaked not over hauled!
most people seem to be using this as an opportunity to have their cake and eat it too rather than explain why this system is worse than the current system so I'd have to disagree.
That's another statement I see that flies around more and more Everyday. Not gonna make every customer happy! Looks to me more customers are displeased with this idea than pleased! Again some things needed to be tweaked not over hauled!
most people seem to be using this as an opportunity to have their cake and eat it too rather than explain why this system is worse than the current system so I'd have to disagree.
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Originally posted by reddogrw
Originally posted by Catch22
Originally posted by reddogrw
can you elaborate on this
if SA's aren't in an archtype, they won't ever be in your store?
or did I miss something here
We're going to be doing a archetype specific SA that will only be available for that archetype.
so basically, I'll never be able to get a LB with a couple of pieces of SV - which really sucks since their SA trees are horrible
or a CB KR/PR with 2 pieces of Spin
I think this decision needs to be revisited, unless I am not reading things correctly
Each individual player can pick a Bonus SA, which is any SA that isn't one of their current ten SAs that will be treated as if it were one of the first four in a tree. (Suggestion: Don't let players pick OOP SAs, i.e. Protector for Left Guard. I could see this saving a few noobs)
Also, each archetype may possibly be getting their own specific SA, that will be available to any player picking that archetype.
Originally posted by Catch22
Originally posted by reddogrw
can you elaborate on this
if SA's aren't in an archtype, they won't ever be in your store?
or did I miss something here
We're going to be doing a archetype specific SA that will only be available for that archetype.
so basically, I'll never be able to get a LB with a couple of pieces of SV - which really sucks since their SA trees are horrible
or a CB KR/PR with 2 pieces of Spin
I think this decision needs to be revisited, unless I am not reading things correctly
Each individual player can pick a Bonus SA, which is any SA that isn't one of their current ten SAs that will be treated as if it were one of the first four in a tree. (Suggestion: Don't let players pick OOP SAs, i.e. Protector for Left Guard. I could see this saving a few noobs)
Also, each archetype may possibly be getting their own specific SA, that will be available to any player picking that archetype.
Catch22
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Originally posted by chefsjg71
Those of us that understand its a RPG as well understand that the benefit of having a superior player is in the percentage increases that the rolls will go your way. How is it not more beneficial to not just reroll a team as opposed to trading them into the new archetype players. Notice I said beneficial and you said basically you don't have to. Sort of a big difference there.. Being that the auto leveling is changing, you would benefit from scraping and starting over. The cost of doing so if what a lot of us are having the problem with. Not the new system I'm thinking....
There is a bigger return if you do want to start over. You'd be getting back more than the normal 70% that a player normally gets. We tried to account for this at least somewhat.
Those of us that understand its a RPG as well understand that the benefit of having a superior player is in the percentage increases that the rolls will go your way. How is it not more beneficial to not just reroll a team as opposed to trading them into the new archetype players. Notice I said beneficial and you said basically you don't have to. Sort of a big difference there.. Being that the auto leveling is changing, you would benefit from scraping and starting over. The cost of doing so if what a lot of us are having the problem with. Not the new system I'm thinking....
There is a bigger return if you do want to start over. You'd be getting back more than the normal 70% that a player normally gets. We tried to account for this at least somewhat.
Tigam
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Originally posted by cubsluver22
That's another statement I see that flies around more and more Everyday. Not gonna make every customer happy! Looks to me more customers are displeased with this idea than pleased! Again some things needed to be tweaked not over hauled!
To be fair about it... People who don't have a problem with it generally won't say much. They don't have to.
That's another statement I see that flies around more and more Everyday. Not gonna make every customer happy! Looks to me more customers are displeased with this idea than pleased! Again some things needed to be tweaked not over hauled!
To be fair about it... People who don't have a problem with it generally won't say much. They don't have to.
jdros13
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Originally posted by Tigam
One of those types will be better than the other. Which one do you think people will choose?
And for the record... There are plenty of people out there who don't know how to build a toon. There are plenty of different builds out there.
and those people will still be building their toons.
Only now, if they want to build an elusive HB, the ALGs will help them build an elusive HB, while the Power HB's ALGs will help them build a power HB. And the better builders will rise to the top, just like now.
One of those types will be better than the other. Which one do you think people will choose?
And for the record... There are plenty of people out there who don't know how to build a toon. There are plenty of different builds out there.
and those people will still be building their toons.
Only now, if they want to build an elusive HB, the ALGs will help them build an elusive HB, while the Power HB's ALGs will help them build a power HB. And the better builders will rise to the top, just like now.
footballisgod
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Originally posted by cubsluver22
That's another statement I see that flies around more and more Everyday. Not gonna make every customer happy! Looks to me more customers are displeased with this idea than pleased! Again some things needed to be tweaked not over hauled!
You can't make every customer happy. And at worst, it's an even split. But I think the people who are pleased outnumber those who are displeased in this thread.
That's another statement I see that flies around more and more Everyday. Not gonna make every customer happy! Looks to me more customers are displeased with this idea than pleased! Again some things needed to be tweaked not over hauled!
You can't make every customer happy. And at worst, it's an even split. But I think the people who are pleased outnumber those who are displeased in this thread.
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Originally posted by cubsluver22
That's another statement I see that flies around more and more Everyday. Not gonna make every customer happy! Looks to me more customers are displeased with this idea than pleased! Again some things needed to be tweaked not over hauled!
There's a lot of questions and some confusion, but if you read through the thread many more people support this than are against it.
If there was a poll, which it is abundantly clear there won't be, it would surely show massive support for this idea.
That's why I don't understand now doing a poll. It would easily pass, thus giving Bort credit with the naysayers who then could see he is following the wishes of the majority.
That's another statement I see that flies around more and more Everyday. Not gonna make every customer happy! Looks to me more customers are displeased with this idea than pleased! Again some things needed to be tweaked not over hauled!
There's a lot of questions and some confusion, but if you read through the thread many more people support this than are against it.
If there was a poll, which it is abundantly clear there won't be, it would surely show massive support for this idea.
That's why I don't understand now doing a poll. It would easily pass, thus giving Bort credit with the naysayers who then could see he is following the wishes of the majority.
Catch22
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Originally posted by cubsluver22
That's another statement I see that flies around more and more Everyday. Not gonna make every customer happy! Looks to me more customers are displeased with this idea than pleased! Again some things needed to be tweaked not over hauled!
You seriously think that? I've seen 10-15 people not like the idea at most, it's just those 10-15 people are posting over and over again.
That's another statement I see that flies around more and more Everyday. Not gonna make every customer happy! Looks to me more customers are displeased with this idea than pleased! Again some things needed to be tweaked not over hauled!
You seriously think that? I've seen 10-15 people not like the idea at most, it's just those 10-15 people are posting over and over again.
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Push it back?
It won't be coming in for like another 2 months.
I know you are only partially illiterate but yes 40 days is not enough time to test it and 40 days is not almost two months.
Verifying that these changes will create an easier more workable dynamic in GLB will take a long time and i am willing to wait 6 months if that is what it takes to get it right. If there is a mistake in there and it is missed we will be right back to where we are now.
Push it back?
It won't be coming in for like another 2 months.
I know you are only partially illiterate but yes 40 days is not enough time to test it and 40 days is not almost two months.
Verifying that these changes will create an easier more workable dynamic in GLB will take a long time and i am willing to wait 6 months if that is what it takes to get it right. If there is a mistake in there and it is missed we will be right back to where we are now.
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