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SI how do you judge leagues? You can't judge off level so saying Oceania Pro is not a top 10 league is bogus unless you can back it up. Build > Level(Krazy Monkeys and Caninites proved this)


If I can't judge on level, then you tell me how you are supposed to differentiate a 16-0 team from USA BBB vs a 16-0 team from Oceania Pro vs a 16-0 team from Western Europe AAA that have never played outside their conference.

All of them tell me that they would win because their tactics and builds are the best and their 16-0 record proves it.

And you can only invite 1 of those 3 teams Jrry. Which one do you put in your tournament?



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SI how do you judge leagues? You can't judge off level so saying Oceania Pro is not a top 10 league is bogus unless you can back it up. Build > Level(Krazy Monkeys and Caninites proved this)


If I can't judge on level, then you tell me how you are supposed to differentiate a 16-0 team from USA BBB vs a 16-0 team from Oceania Pro vs a 16-0 team from Western Europe AAA that have never played outside their conference.

All of them tell me that they would win because their tactics and builds are the best and their 16-0 record proves it.

And you can only invite 1 of those 3 teams Jrry. Which one do you put in your tournament?



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Pro doesn't mean anything. You pick the 16-0 team that played the best competition.
 
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Originally posted by jrry32

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Originally posted by jrry32



SI how do you judge leagues? You can't judge off level so saying Oceania Pro is not a top 10 league is bogus unless you can back it up. Build > Level(Krazy Monkeys and Caninites proved this)


If I can't judge on level, then you tell me how you are supposed to differentiate a 16-0 team from USA BBB vs a 16-0 team from Oceania Pro vs a 16-0 team from Western Europe AAA that have never played outside their conference.

All of them tell me that they would win because their tactics and builds are the best and their 16-0 record proves it.

And you can only invite 1 of those 3 teams Jrry. Which one do you put in your tournament?



Pro team


Pro doesn't mean anything. You pick the 16-0 team that played the best competition.


That's surprising you'd say that after what you say about teams not in Pro when you are competing for a recruit! O_O
 
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Originally posted by jrry32



SI how do you judge leagues? You can't judge off level so saying Oceania Pro is not a top 10 league is bogus unless you can back it up. Build > Level(Krazy Monkeys and Caninites proved this)


If I can't judge on level, then you tell me how you are supposed to differentiate a 16-0 team from USA BBB vs a 16-0 team from Oceania Pro vs a 16-0 team from Western Europe AAA that have never played outside their conference.

All of them tell me that they would win because their tactics and builds are the best and their 16-0 record proves it.

And you can only invite 1 of those 3 teams Jrry. Which one do you put in your tournament?



Pro team


Pro doesn't mean anything. You pick the 16-0 team that played the best competition.


You can't determine that unless the Pro team has like 5 gutted teams in the conference and the AAA team only has 1.
 
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Originally posted by jrry32
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Originally posted by SteelersInsider



Originally posted by jrry32




SI how do you judge leagues? You can't judge off level so saying Oceania Pro is not a top 10 league is bogus unless you can back it up. Build > Level(Krazy Monkeys and Caninites proved this)


If I can't judge on level, then you tell me how you are supposed to differentiate a 16-0 team from USA BBB vs a 16-0 team from Oceania Pro vs a 16-0 team from Western Europe AAA that have never played outside their conference.

All of them tell me that they would win because their tactics and builds are the best and their 16-0 record proves it.

And you can only invite 1 of those 3 teams Jrry. Which one do you put in your tournament?



Pro team


Pro doesn't mean anything. You pick the 16-0 team that played the best competition.


That's surprising you'd say that after what you say about teams not in Pro when you are competing for a recruit! o_O


Lol

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Originally posted by jrry32




SI how do you judge leagues? You can't judge off level so saying Oceania Pro is not a top 10 league is bogus unless you can back it up. Build > Level(Krazy Monkeys and Caninites proved this)


If I can't judge on level, then you tell me how you are supposed to differentiate a 16-0 team from USA BBB vs a 16-0 team from Oceania Pro vs a 16-0 team from Western Europe AAA that have never played outside their conference.

All of them tell me that they would win because their tactics and builds are the best and their 16-0 record proves it.

And you can only invite 1 of those 3 teams Jrry. Which one do you put in your tournament?



Pro team


Pro doesn't mean anything. You pick the 16-0 team that played the best competition.


That's surprising you'd say that after what you say about teams not in Pro when you are competing for a recruit! o_O


When in recruiting did I say that my team was better than a team in a lower league that had a higher level? (the answer is never).

In recruiting, you mention your advantages of your team. That's all I've ever done.

I recruited well in Western Europe AA#1 and I recruited well in Canada Pro. We still aren't the best team, but we're getting there. With the level 30 WR I picked up yesterday, I think our roster is fairly set now. Maybe we'll pick up 1 or 2 players next year, but it won't be the 8-10 players a season I've been doing.

Evil Monkeys are better than 60% of Pro Teams FOR SURE (could be better than 90-95% if you want to look closely). So I'm not sure why you think a Pro league team is better than the Evil Monkeys just because they aren't "pro" yet.
 
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That's surprising you'd say that after what you say about teams not in Pro when you are competing for a recruit! o_O


I thought we agreed to drop that? Unless of course you want to talk about SA > USA Pro now, given all the trouble you went through to try to get a team in USA Pro......
 
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USA Pro West dusted the east last season in week 16


Not sure what that has to do with my comment, but ok.
 
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I believe you are misunderstanding his statement. By "ZERO respect" he is not saying "ZERO representation."

I know that Oceania got no respect when SI started naming teams for this tourney. The Caninites were then on a 35+ game winning streak and even outleveled some of the teams that SI already had mentioned as worthy (I am not saying that level is greater than build and game planning, as I think we have already disproved that in this tournament). Anyway, several Caninites players and myself posted in the thread multiple times asking for a shot at making the cut, but yet were not added to the list. Some other Oceania teams/players came in and spoke on our behalf (as well as on the behalf of several other Oceania teams). It wasn't until then that an Oceania team was even added to the list.

In all fairness, SI did bump us up his ranking once we were added, but only one other Oceania team even made the original field of 64 (a replacement team was later added).


So he meant "very little respect" not "ZERO respect". Honestly I was not privy to the selection process, as we had no intentions of entering. I just took his "zero respect" to mean no representation. If a league had any representatives, I would say it had some measure of respect, little as that might be. Semantics? Perhaps... but SI was trying to get what he personally considered to be close to the top 64 teams in GLB into this thing. So any team being invited was respected, I would say.

Thus, yes, to me zero respect, especially in caps like he put it, would only mean truly ZERO representation. Even taking only a league champ meant he considered at least one team from the league to be among the potentially top 64 teams in ALL of GLB... which should be considered a nice compliment (again, understanding this was based merely on his own opinion of said teams).


That is just how I interpreted it. Being from Oceania, I know that we are often overlooked because we are not in a "prominent" region. The OP in question has a player in Oceania (on a very good team) and GMs a SE Asia team, which leads me to believe that he was dramatically saying that these other regions get a lack of respect in comparison to USA and Canada.

I believe that Africa was the only region not represented, but that was to be expected.


OK I didn't read all the posts yet, but this seems a little off to me. First of all, alot of teams were complaining about their ranking and stuff when I hadn't even started ranking yet. I started with the leagues I was most familiar with (USA and Canada) and then moved on to the others. I obviously didn't reject your team because in my FIRST official rankings, I had you at #25:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=618172

If you are talking about me "rejecting" you for my first overall top 30 teams list, then that is only because you hadn't played anyone good. A team with 150 straight wins in BBB wasn't going to qualify either.

Based on level alone, you aren't top 30. And you aren't in a top 10 league. Without being in a "good" league, then there is no way to judge your builds or tactics.

Now we at least havesome non-league games to judge you on and it seems you are certainly worthy of that #25 ranking (or better).

It wasn't disrespect to your team at all. It was very un-biased in my opinion and you can even look at the rankings my level if you don't believe me.

Let's not pull the disrespect card. You didn't get in because of someone arguing with me. You got in because you deserved to be in. It just took me some time to do all the research on all the leagues I wasn't familiar with.

I probably had 40 teams tell me that I disrespected their team by where they were ranked or how they were left. There is an excellent team in Canada Pro who just got done beating our asses (OOTP Ballers) who got pissed off and quit because they weren't invited in the original 64. Even though no one nominated them and I wasn't familiar with any Canada AAA teams. They got overlooked and they are now in my conference in my League. So I don't think it was just League.

Anyways, I'm glad I discovered your excellent team and you were able to join us.



I wasn't necessarily pointing a finger at you. The biggest concern was your lack of a response when we were mentioned in the initial thread. I think we may have been mentioned in close to a dozen posts before you finally acknowledged us and added us to the "just missing the cut" list. We actually did outlevel, a couple teams that were listed among the elite...hell, we outlevel our next opponent, the Bullies. OPL may not be one of the top leagues in GLB, but I have my doubts about it not being a top ten league. There are some very good teams over there who also did not make the original field of 64, but could have made a splash in this tournament: Brantford Mustangs, Canberra Strike, Brisbane Heat, West Scranton Invaders...

We honestly were honored to even be mentioned among the elite in GLB because everyone always talks about how great USA Pro and Canada Pro are. We were even more honored when you started putting the teams in order and we climbed to #25. That is all Oceania is looking for is some respect from the rest of GLB. I guarantee that if we made it this far in the tournament, there are other OPL teams that should have made the cut but did not. The likely reason is a lack of respect for Oceania.
 
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I wasn't necessarily pointing a finger at you. The biggest concern was your lack of a response when we were mentioned in the initial thread. I think we may have been mentioned in close to a dozen posts before you finally acknowledged us and added us to the "just missing the cut" list. We actually did outlevel, a couple teams that were listed among the elite...hell, we outlevel our next opponent, the Bullies. OPL may not be one of the top leagues in GLB, but I have my doubts about it not being a top ten league. There are some very good teams over there who also did not make the original field of 64, but could have made a splash in this tournament: Brantford Mustangs, Canberra Strike, Brisbane Heat, West Scranton Invaders...

We honestly were honored to even be mentioned among the elite in GLB because everyone always talks about how great USA Pro and Canada Pro are. We were even more honored when you started putting the teams in order and we climbed to #25. That is all Oceania is looking for is some respect from the rest of GLB. I guarantee that if we made it this far in the tournament, there are other OPL teams that should have made the cut but did not. The likely reason is a lack of respect for Oceania.


I'm pretty sure that the Bullies haven't boosted yet. Plus they have a history of beating teams that are 3 levels ahead of them and made it all the way to the championship game of USA Pro. You didn't have that history,

So you weren't being compared to them. I must have missed your nominations the first 3-4 times or so, and then I had to compare you to other teams in Oceania and then to teams like Cobra Kai who won their league, but was fairly low leveled. So it took alot longer to sort out. Some teams being nominated were clear cut by their level and playoff success.

P.S. Canberra Strike was offered a spot twice, but they never responded. And the Mustangs would have been the next team to be asked if we had 65 spots.
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Oceania has respect from that you guys accomplished. Even WEPL earned some respect despite their poor record. Their teams didn't get blown out.

I just don't see the disrespect. I don't hear anyone from USA Pro saying your team didn't belong...?

 
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Oceania has respect from that you guys accomplished. Even WEPL earned some respect despite their poor record. Their teams didn't get blown out.

I just don't see the disrespect. I don't hear anyone from USA Pro saying your team didn't belong...?



I think the "lack of respect" thing is just a general perception people have about USA Pro and Canada Pro representatives. I don't honestly think most of USA Pro "disrespects" other leagues so much as we just don't pay attention to them. And I would not expect them to pay that much attention to us either. Given that we don't play these teams, why would we be that concerned with them? That said, I am sure there are plenty of great teams out there. We just have enough time committed to focusing on our own league, and don't have time to focus on other leagues - I am sure this is the same for most of the guys in our league.

Of course, there is a vocal minority that is probably as much to blame for the 'anti-USA Pro' sentiment as anything. Like any other league, we are not without our loud, abrasive, obnoxious few. Judging everyone in the league based on their comments, though, is short-sighted and senseless.


Oh, and yes, we are basically unboosted still. I haven't confirmed but I think we have 5 boosted players on our roster. So the FFLW team out-leveling us doesn't surprise me. (And no, this is not an excuse. If we lose, we will congratulate them for their victory!)

 
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I'm pretty sure that the Bullies haven't boosted yet. Plus they have a history of beating teams that are 3 levels ahead of them and made it all the way to the championship game of USA Pro. You didn't have that history,

So you weren't being compared to them. I must have missed your nominations the first 3-4 times or so, and then I had to compare you to other teams in Oceania and then to teams like Cobra Kai who won their league, but was fairly low leveled. So it took alot longer to sort out. Some teams being nominated were clear cut by their level and playoff success.

P.S. Canberra Strike was offered a spot twice, but they never responded. And the Mustangs would have been the next team to be asked if we had 65 spots.


We have beat teams 3 levels ahead of us, but there is no official record of that. We waited to boost in both Season 2 and Season 3 and I know we faced at least a couple quality opponents who had already boosted. Understandable that you were unaware of that though. We had back to back championships between Oceania AAA and Oceania Pro, but I agree that cannot be compared to playing in USA Pro. Our 35+ game winning streak likely meant very little to you, as well, since you were unfamiliar with the OPL. However, I do think that just about any team that goes 15-1 in AAA, wins the AAA title, goes 16-0 in Pro and wins the Pro title is deserving of being considered one of the top teams in GLB. That is pure domination and, regardless of the quality of the region, I think we both know that making the jump to Pro and winning 20+ straight there, including the championship, is not an easy task.

I did recall one of the OPL teams saying that they had been invited, but did not enter. I believe Canberra was to be a replacement team? That is good to know that Brantford was next on the list, as well, although they struggled early on this season with the AI and likely would have lost early because of it. The Brisbane Heat were likely overlooked because of their level, but they handed us our first loss since Season 2 and definitely should have held a spot in this tournament. Once again, that is not a criticism of you specifically. I realize that choosing just 64 teams for something like this is not an easy task and some teams are bound to slip through the cracks.
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It's over, Bangkok is moving onto the Final Four.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=127644
 
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It's over, Bangkok is moving onto the Final Four.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=127644


Welcome to the Final Four.
 
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