Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Outlaw Dogs

If you get rid of the D-leagues they can still sign on with all the CPU teams filling out leagues if they can't handle being around people. They don't have to sign with anyones team, they should just play with the rest of use and not hide away from everyone else.


That is possible but cpu teams can be bought at any time as opposed to d-league teams. Then there is the issue when you have a human team go against a cpu team, the human team wins most of the time because the human team can game plan where as the cpu team can't. The only way I would ever agree getting rid of d-leagues is if there were hybrid leagues with one conference human teams and cpu teams that can be bought, and the other conference all cpu teams that can't be bought. Then in the final game there is no game planning allowed by the human team giving the cpu team a fair shot at winning. Not sure if that could work but that is the best compromise that I can see.

+1 ..Normally I would be against this, but there really is no reason anymore for people to choose D League. The excuse of not being able to build how you want is lame, and has no merit. The only dots who should be in D Leagues are non-boosters who really have no where else to go. I also like the suggestion of not awarding any trophies for stats accrued in D League.

Originally posted by vinman
+1 ..Normally I would be against this, but there really is no reason anymore for people to choose D League. The excuse of not being able to build how you want is lame, and has no merit. The only dots who should be in D Leagues are non-boosters who really have no where else to go. I also like the suggestion of not awarding any trophies for stats accrued in D League.

If your team isn't good enough to entice people away from the D-Leagues then you shouldn't be allowed to own a team.

yeah ok

Originally posted by BagO'Chips
The D-Leagues are a problem, have you not read the OP? People are just stat-whoring in D-Leagues when they could be on a team that needs players. It's not as easy to stat-whore in lower level leagues.

So what if people are stat whoring in the "D" leagues. I'll admit that I have a WR that's doing that. I'm paying for his boosts and enjoying the carnage. I didn't create the player to help some team where he could catch the ball 2x a game for 25 yards. He'll find a human team once he hits Day 280, but I like the idea of having the freedom to enjoy the ride to the Pro leagues.
(Should I apologize for wanting to enjoy this part of the game? ) Half the teams in lower leagues don't even try to compete. Many of the human offers my dot gets are accompanied by the message "This is a farm/feeder team for _, " The other offers I get are from owners that aren't very good.

Originally posted by BagO'Chips
People don't use the D-Leagues as a placeholder despite what they tell you. They are stat-whoring.

That's not true. I have an RLU team and I place a lot of dots in the "D" leagues. It makes it easier if I want to switch out my roster during the season if the sim or the builds aren't working out. And I also use the "D" leagues to play in the "D" league challenge. I do have a RB who I am building a specific way in the "D" leagues as well. But I wouldn't call 14 rushes for 56 yards over 2 games stat whoring. In fact, I looked at all the leaders in "D" leagues and if this issue is such a problem, I would expect to see some crazy stats. Other than my WR, I'm not seeing much. There's a lot more stat whoring in the human leagues, in fact it's not even close.

I guess I don't see why this is such a big deal. I've noticed in life, there's way too many people telling other people what to do, or telling other people what they should be allowed to do. In the words of John Stossel, "give me a break"

Just to expand on something.

Leading Rusher in all of "D" leagues at the Prep Level is 280 yards. Prep 1 leading rusher has 1214 yards, Prep 2 is 1634, Prep 3 is 1695, Prep 4 is 1064, and Prep 5 is 1638. Who's stat whoring?

Leading Passer in all of "D" leagues at the University Level is 604 yards. University 1 leading passer has 719 yards, Uni 2 is 3212 yards, Uni 3 is 1803 yards, and Uni 4 is 1331. Who's stat whoring?

The quick glance I did at "D" leagues looks like the only person in all of GLB that is stat whoring is me. At least with a skill position. I guess I'd like to see the proof, besides my dot, of agents who are guilty of the OP's charge.

The stat-whoring is happening on the defensive side of the ball this season - at least at the highest D-league level. Offense is pretty much non-existant save a few outliers like Taut's TE. Then again, any sim imbalance will likely be magnified in the D-league stats anyway. i.e. it may not be intentional stat-whoring at all.

Originally posted by greengoose
The stat-whoring is happening on the defensive side of the ball this season - at least at the highest D-league level. Offense is pretty much non-existant save a few outliers like Taut's TE. Then again, any sim imbalance will likely be magnified in the D-league stats anyway. i.e. it may not be intentional stat-whoring at all.

Yeah, kind of see that with the defense. But you're right, it's pretty hard to intentionally pad your stats in D league.

Originally posted by Buzz42day

I guess I don't see why this is such a big deal. I've noticed in life, there's way too many people telling other people what to do, or telling other people what they should be allowed to do. In the words of John Stossel, "give me a break"


Totally agree with this statement, the biggest problem with this whole subject is all the people telling other players what they can and cannot do with their own time and money.

Giving every little fringe group what they want is why the userbase is so spread out. This isn't about telling people what to do with their time and money. It's about making this game better overall. Only way to do that is to contract the leagues and pull people back together.

Originally posted by Dub J
Giving every little fringe group what they want is why the userbase is so spread out. This isn't about telling people what to do with their time and money. It's about making this game better overall. Only way to do that is to contract the leagues and pull people back together.

And the easiest way to do that is to start with the D-leagues. Then Pee wee.

Exactly.

Sorry PW dudes, but PW is dead as hell. There is no logical reason to keep all that shit running for the 5 or 6 people that still seriously participate there.

I'm just not seeing the quality and quantity sitting in the upper D-leagues that would even make this suggestion warrant merit TBH. Certainly aren't going to be able to build human teams to replace CPU's because there are virtually no O-lineman to choose from - let alone ones that teams would actually covet to be competitive.

Originally posted by Buzz42day

That's not true. I have an RLU team and I place a lot of dots in the "D" leagues. It makes it easier if I want to switch out my roster during the season if the sim or the builds aren't working out. And I also use the "D" leagues to play in the "D" league challenge. I do have a RB who I am building a specific way in the "D" leagues as well. But I wouldn't call 14 rushes for 56 yards over 2 games stat whoring. In fact, I looked at all the leaders in "D" leagues and if this issue is such a problem, I would expect to see some crazy stats. Other than my WR, I'm not seeing much. There's a lot more stat whoring in the human leagues, in fact it's not even close.

I guess I don't see why this is such a big deal. I've noticed in life, there's way too many people telling other people what to do, or telling other people what they should be allowed to do. In the words of John Stossel, "give me a break"




tl;dgas

Originally posted by Dub J
Giving every little fringe group what they want is why the userbase is so spread out. This isn't about telling people what to do with their time and money. It's about making this game better overall. Only way to do that is to contract the leagues and pull people back together.

I have no problem condensing down the leagues to restore more of the competitive balance but eliminating a league altoghether goes way beyond condensing. Getting rid of something means you are eliminating that choice which in turn is telling people it's either this or nothing. For most in the d-leagues they would chose to quit this game, then to be forced into a crappy team playing for an owner they don't want to play for. If you really want to condense leagues than the focus should be on condensing the regular leagues. The fact of the matter is that most of the players in the d-leagues are not really worth having on any human ran team because they are either non boosting, badly built, or past their prime and the d-league is the best place for them. As far as the players worth signing, they are in the minority.