Warrior General Games

-1 I actually think the whole idea of VA resets is counter to realism and takes away from the role-playing element of the game... someone doesn't suddenly unlearn a skill and suddenly learn another...this isn't the Matrix... its supposed to be a realistic football simulation. yeah, i get that the game undergoes significant changes and builds that people have been working on for 18 months get screwed, so there should be some (but rarely 100%) VA resets after a MAJOR sim change, but other than that it should be like SPs or BTs or anything else--once you spend you can't unspend and reallocate. I'd hope after the game leaves Beta there is never full VA resets.

I do get that some VAs (and some SAs) are decided based on a particular team, its schemes and/or its personnel. Ideally it would be cool to have some of what is now VAs (and perhaps some SAs) split off into a new feature called with "Advanced Tactics" or something and dots could earn "Tactics Points" that represent things skills/abilities gained from working with their current coaches/coordinators/teammates. These could be reset every time a player changes teams or a team changes owners or something.

Until then, having a small portion of VA points reset each season seems like a realistic way to say a certain % of your abilities are gained permanently in the form of improved athleticism and a smaller % of their added skills comes from the system in which they are playing and changes season-to-season.

Originally posted by Myd
Originally posted by sehorn31

You make a good point Myd but what about that Zone Corner that has lost a step and they move him to FS late in his Career? I wished my Giants would have done that with Sehorn, lol. The Safety will need VA's that a Corner might not, Like a Coverage Zone CB might not need 15 Sure Tackler but put his ass back there @ FS and see what happens without!!

Would that be considered, in reality, a "complete reset"? I wouldn't think so to be honest. And you would expect to see a learning curve for a season which would mimic partial resets over two seasons.

He's already going to have the OOP Penalty that no one will tell me what it actually is so there's the "learning curve" and I was giving an example. ok, Let's say he played Nickel as a Corner and had Pass Rusher because the DC like to Blitz off the short Corner, In his new role, He would be better off with Ball Hawk too. That is 30 right there Bro. If you want more examples, I can give them to you cause I have been around since S2 and have been through everything I'm telling you and that's how I know this is a problem.!!!

Originally posted by fogie55
-1 I actually think the whole idea of VA resets is counter to realism and takes away from the role-playing element of the game... someone doesn't suddenly unlearn a skill and suddenly learn another...this isn't the Matrix... its supposed to be a realistic football simulation. yeah, i get that the game undergoes significant changes and builds that people have been working on for 18 months get screwed, so there should be some (but rarely 100%) VA resets after a MAJOR sim change, but other than that it should be like SPs or BTs or anything else--once you spend you can't unspend and reallocate. I'd hope after the game leaves Beta there is never full VA resets.

I do get that some VAs (and some SAs) are decided based on a particular team, its schemes and/or its personnel. Ideally it would be cool to have some of what is now VAs (and perhaps some SAs) split off into a new feature called with "Advanced Tactics" or something and dots could earn "Tactics Points" that represent things skills/abilities gained from working with their current coaches/coordinators/teammates. These could be reset every time a player changes teams or a team changes owners or something.

Until then, having a small portion of VA points reset each season seems like a realistic way to say a certain % of your abilities are gained permanently in the form of improved athleticism and a smaller % of their added skills comes from the system in which they are playing and changes season-to-season.

What get's me is everyone says this isn't real football but we keep relating it to it. It isn't realistic for alot of grown men and women to sit around and play a "Computer Game" all day and act like we really Won something but we do!! This is pretend guys, If you want to take it any different, get off yo ass and go try-out for a "REAL" Team and see how that works for you!!

Originally posted by sehorn31
He's already going to have the OOP Penalty that no one will tell me what it actually is so there's the "learning curve" and I was giving an example. ok, Let's say he played Nickel as a Corner and had Pass Rusher because the DC like to Blitz off the short Corner, In his new role, He would be better off with Ball Hawk too. That is 30 right there Bro. If you want more examples, I can give them to you cause I have been around since S2 and have been through everything I'm telling you and that's how I know this is a problem.!!!

Fogie brings up a good point where a complete reset would equate a player not just learning a new skill but suddenly forgetting another. That's another thing that doesn't make sense about this idea.

Not to mention, It's not responsible (Or realistic) to be a grown adult and spend $$ on this that we could've put in towards our our kids College Fund so he can Play "REAL" Football!! What am I doing still playing this game after 4 years and it's still in Beta!! Can someone say...LOSER!!! You guys are right, I don't guess the Full VA Reset does matter, I got kids to feed!!

Originally posted by Homage
Except they never properly adjust when the sim changes and deems a VA far less valuable on top of the other ones you chose. The game changes a lot more at the top season by season than I think you're aware of.

So basically you're saying since I don't have a dot in WL, that I and those that don't see it your way don't know shit about the game. Just another "I play at the top and you guys from pro on down don't know squat and should have no opinion on the game's workings" type guy. Got it, I will bow in your presence from here on out.

The way I see it, picking your VA's is a choice, just like SP's placement. Once done you live it except for the one reset per season. IIRC we have had what...2-3 full resets in the last 3 or 4 seasons because of changes made to the VA's or sim. Pick better IMO.

My plateau dots and I will now just stay quiet and go back to the corner and wait for Bort to fuck up the game again by acquiescing to all the people crying about what the game should do because you're at the top.


I'll stick with my -1 and one reset per season is reasonable without major changes made to the game.

Yeah, Homage's insults slung at people that have a different opinion made me wonder...where all the other elitists are if this is such an urgent need?

Have had a couple dots hit plateau and was in WL a few seasons but what the fuck do I know?

Originally posted by Dub J
Yeah, Homage's insults slung at people that have a different opinion made me wonder...where all the other elitists are if this is such an urgent need?

Have had a couple dots hit plateau and was in WL a few seasons but what the fuck do I know?



Give him time to switch to the other accounts. Come on Dub. Show patience.

Originally posted by Greywolfmeb
So basically you're saying since I don't have a dot in WL, that I and those that don't see it your way don't know shit about the game. Just another "I play at the top and you guys from pro on down don't know squat and should have no opinion on the game's workings" type guy. Got it, I will bow in your presence from here on out.

The way I see it, picking your VA's is a choice, just like SP's placement. Once done you live it except for the one reset per season. IIRC we have had what...2-3 full resets in the last 3 or 4 seasons because of changes made to the VA's or sim. Pick better IMO.

My plateau dots and I will now just stay quiet and go back to the corner and wait for Bort to fuck up the game again by acquiescing to all the people crying about what the game should do because you're at the top.


I'll stick with my -1 and one reset per season is reasonable without major changes made to the game.

I'm just being honest. You have no business remarking on something you're not competent in. It's not a knock against you as a player, or as a person... take it however you want. But if I'm going to have to come off like a pompous asshole, so be it. I've always been forward with information and anyone who has ever PM'd me about advice or gone to the BAF knows that I'm very forward with information and help. I don't sit on a high horse and laugh at you down there. But if you're going to sit here and flat out tell me 1 VA reset per season is enough at the higher ends of the game, you're flat out wrong. The only people who seem to be against this are those who do not play this game at the WL level. The people who do... seem to be all for it.

Originally posted by fogie55
-1 I actually think the whole idea of VA resets is counter to realism and takes away from the role-playing element of the game... someone doesn't suddenly unlearn a skill and suddenly learn another...this isn't the Matrix... its supposed to be a realistic football simulation. yeah, i get that the game undergoes significant changes and builds that people have been working on for 18 months get screwed, so there should be some (but rarely 100%) VA resets after a MAJOR sim change, but other than that it should be like SPs or BTs or anything else--once you spend you can't unspend and reallocate. I'd hope after the game leaves Beta there is never full VA resets.

I do get that some VAs (and some SAs) are decided based on a particular team, its schemes and/or its personnel. Ideally it would be cool to have some of what is now VAs (and perhaps some SAs) split off into a new feature called with "Advanced Tactics" or something and dots could earn "Tactics Points" that represent things skills/abilities gained from working with their current coaches/coordinators/teammates. These could be reset every time a player changes teams or a team changes owners or something.

Until then, having a small portion of VA points reset each season seems like a realistic way to say a certain % of your abilities are gained permanently in the form of improved athleticism and a smaller % of their added skills comes from the system in which they are playing and changes season-to-season.

Another thing I think you guys are failing to realize is certain VA's have nothing to do with position. In fact a large part of the VA's that have been abused and used to win in seasons past aren't even position specific. ie Big Heart, Streaky, etc etc. So tell me how those are schemes/skills? Those aren't.

Just checked out your trophy case and saw a minor trophy and a shitload of lolGM trophies.


We've been trolled, guys.

Originally posted by Dub J
Yeah, Homage's insults slung at people that have a different opinion made me wonder...where all the other elitists are if this is such an urgent need?

Have had a couple dots hit plateau and was in WL a few seasons but what the fuck do I know?



Nothing. It's quite clear. You're about as clueless as LHF when it comes to winning in the WL.
And prior to this post, I've not thrown any insults; merely facts.

And no, I'm not elitist. I am a member of a profession that highly values competency in a subject. If you don't have it, I'm going to consider you uninformed. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings.

Originally posted by Myd
Give him time to switch to the other accounts. Come on Dub. Show patience.

K. That's just unnecessary... Grow up. I've never abused accounts, don't start throwing baseless accusations around.

You are just being ridiculous. You've insulted anyone that doesn't agree with your suggestion. You're saying only people that meet some elite criteria can have an opinion on this suggestion when your highest accomplishment has been winning a gold in semi-pro or some shit. I pointed out that no one that meets your criteria has bothered posting in this thread.

It's comical how you post things and then later deny you posted them or try and rationalize what you posted.

I've had dots in plateau and had one in WL for 3 seasons (I hated WL and never returned).

Is the criteria for having an opinion on this matter having X amount of WL MVPs? It's really hard trying to figure out what your standards are for allowing others to post in a forum you don't own.

Originally posted by Myd
Originally posted by Dub J

Yeah, Homage's insults slung at people that have a different opinion made me wonder...where all the other elitists are if this is such an urgent need?

Have had a couple dots hit plateau and was in WL a few seasons but what the fuck do I know?



Give him time to switch to the other accounts. Come on Dub. Show patience.

I hope you ain't talking about me Myd because as I've said, I have never even talked to Homage before. Contact Support if you feel like we are the same people and I'm sure they will show you different!!