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All replays show a decline. Even the returns that some people claim show zero speed drop actually show a ~1-2% drop if you understand how the speed script is coded and the resolution of the replay data. As I said before, if Bort released the replay data to one more decimal place there would be an obvious visual decline on every play as the replays would be more representative of the actual game code (at the moment they are currently a rough approximation which can confuse).

Other returns show more speed loss, maybe pushing a little over 5%. Possibly the difference in speed loss between the different replays shown in this thread could be attributed to whether the game has reached "blowout" stage or not, but I am too lazy to check.

Originally posted by mandyross
All replays show a decline. Even the returns that some people claim show zero speed drop actually show a ~1-2% drop if you understand how the speed script is coded and the resolution of the replay data.
Rounding would only mask a decline over a short period. You already know this and you already know that you're wrong, which is why you have been constantly lowering your percentage on one page after another. First you said "5-10%," then "5%," then "maybe 2.5%," and then "a 1% loss." You claim that the fire catch replay shows a one pixel drop over the nearly 500 pixel line, which would be a 0.2% decline, but there actually isn't a pixel drop at all on that replay. Again, I don't know why since on other replays a decline shows up much more clearly. But it doesn't exist on the one you claimed it did, which is why you keep lowering your percentage. You've insulted me repeatedly, as well as accused me of lying and then not apologized when I proved what I said was true, and it's all because you're upset about knowing that you're wrong since you have no ability to acknowledge your mistakes.

Once again, look at when this argument between us started: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4950599&page=3#45917650
Originally posted by mandyross
The speed script I'm running shows the fire catch returner clearly reduce his speed as the play progresses (taking into account the rounding produced by the spatial coordinates). Not by much, looking at the way the line wiggles I'd have a rough guess of 5-10%. Maybe I'm using an old script though.
Then you switch to:
Originally posted by mandyross
The drop not large, before I estimated 5-10%, I'd say around 5% is probably closest to the true value. But it does exist, something which is entirely logical from a coding point of view.
Then you switch yet again to:
Originally posted by mandyross
The graph shows the speed when crossing the 30 yrd line (purely vertical movement) is greater than the speed during the final 10 yards of the play. Not much, maybe a 2.5% difference.
And then finally we get to you now saying:
Originally posted by mandyross
Granted it's a 1 pixel drop, but given the graph's size of around 100 pixels, that corresponds to a 1% loss. Which amazingly corresponds to my lower-bounds estimate! Who'd have thought it?

The answer is 0%. At least you're getting closer to what I've said from the beginning, all while insulting me and accusing me of lying.

At minimum, could you admit you were wrong and apologize for saying that I was "using different quotes based on different replays"? Baby steps in acknowledging your errors will help you.

My initial 5-10% was called "a rough guess" . After viewing the running mean, I changed it to around 2.5% (later this does become 2, I'll give you that).

I then pointed out that your "straight line" wasn't straight, and actually showed a 1% decline. That was your data, I decided to take it as the lower limit.

This was my final summary:

Originally posted by mandyross
Originally posted by jetsown09

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2963972&page=43#25480689

Originally posted by Bort


Also, you CAN lose speed in the middle of a play by getting tired. Energy and morale are a constantly updating factor; they do not just get applied at the beginning of the play. Otherwise, skills like snarl wouldn't affect the other player, etc.


That's not really surprising.

Even the returns that some people claim show zero speed drop actually show a ~1-2% drop if you understand how the speed script is coded and the resolution of the replay data. As I said before, if Bort released the replay data to one more decimal place there would be an obvious visual decline on every play as the replays would be more representative of the actual game code (at the moment they are currently a rough approximation which can confuse).

Other returns show more speed loss, maybe pushing a little over 5%. Possibly the difference in speed loss between the different replays shown in this thread could be attributed to whether the game has reached "blowout" stage or not, but I am too lazy to check.

Note I say "Other returns show more speed loss, maybe pushing a little over 5%". For you to subsequently claim that my different figures are based on one replay was at worst dishonest, at best showed you hadn't read the thread properly.

You then show an absolute failure of logic to try to get to this magic 0% figure you fixated on on page 1, that was misleading and terribly incorrect. There is no evidence for this, apart from a "straight line" you drew that actually wasn't straight, and was in the wrong place. All the while, you cry and cry about character assassination, being insulted, make ridiculous claims about yourself and indulge in hypocrisy.

You already owe LHF an apology, I'll join the queue. Stop destroying this forum with your arrogant bullshit.

It's funny to be on the outside seeing bolick get owned over and over but not being able to accept the truth. I'm generally the only person who takes it upon themselves to prove bolick wrong and point out his delusions, but it's fun to see mandross do the same.

And I don't need ms paint to see that both the speed script and a viewing of the pbp show that the player in the links I posted slows down over the course of the play.

Originally posted by mandyross
Note I say "Other returns show more speed loss, maybe pushing a little over 5%". For you to subsequently claim that my different figures are based on one replay was at worst dishonest, at best showed you hadn't read the thread properly.
You only said that on Page 5. I quoted you talking about that one replay from LHF's returner that we discussed for the previous three pages: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2091427&pbp_id=5862341 These quotes are all about just that one replay:

Originally posted by mandyross
The speed script I'm running shows the fire catch returner clearly reduce his speed as the play progresses (taking into account the rounding produced by the spatial coordinates). Not by much, looking at the way the line wiggles I'd have a rough guess of 5-10%. Maybe I'm using an old script though.
Then you switch to:
Originally posted by mandyross
The drop not large, before I estimated 5-10%, I'd say around 5% is probably closest to the true value. But it does exist, something which is entirely logical from a coding point of view.
Then you switch yet again to:
Originally posted by mandyross
The graph shows the speed when crossing the 30 yrd line (purely vertical movement) is greater than the speed during the final 10 yards of the play. Not much, maybe a 2.5% difference.
And then finally we get to you now saying:
Originally posted by mandyross
Granted it's a 1 pixel drop, but given the graph's size of around 100 pixels, that corresponds to a 1% loss. Which amazingly corresponds to my lower-bounds estimate! Who'd have thought it?

So yeah, you went from "5-10%" to "5%" to "maybe 2.5%" to "a 1% loss." And you were wrong for pretending that those numbers came from different replays. We were always discussing that particular replay and you kept moving your number down because you know you screwed up. On some replays there is a clear decline. On that one there was no decline: http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3276/mandyrossisfullofshit.jpg

Originally posted by jdbolick

You only said that on Page 5. I quoted you talking about that one replay from LHF's returner that we discussed for the previous three pages: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2091427&pbp_id=5862341

So essentially you prefer to take my estimates for speed drop from the first few pages, which were done by having a visual guestimate (and even included such hints as the words "rough estimate", "maybe" etc.), rather than overall conclusion to the Bort quote on page 5 which discusses a variety of replays and has the numbers set down by a more detailed analysis than the initial visual one.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4950599&page=5#45973081

And you use the variations on my initial estimates, based on looking at a wiggly graph, to extrapolate to this ridiculous 0% figure that you are so desperately clinging on to, based on a graphic called "mandyrossisfullofshit" on which you have drawn a non-straight, "straight line". In MS paint.

Now that is dishonesty.

And then you have the gall to demand an apology, in a rather uncivil manner. Despite ignoring those in this thread who you owe an apology to.

Conclusion 1: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4950599&page=5#45987605
Conclusion 2: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4950599&page=6#45988879

Breathe profoundly, suck them up. You are wrong.

Originally posted by mandyross
So essentially you prefer to take my estimates for speed drop from the first few pages
I'm pointing out that you've continuously changed your story both because it shows that you know you're actually wrong, and because it's especially funny given that you tried to pretend that the results confirm your estimates when you posted: "Granted it's a 1 pixel drop, but given the graph's size of around 100 pixels, that corresponds to a 1% loss. Which amazingly corresponds to my lower-bounds estimate! Who'd have thought it?" Can you imagine the shit you would give me if I went from "5-10%" to "5%" to "maybe 2.5%" to "a 1% loss"?

Throughout this thread you have made references to "people who understand the speed script" and how "the replays do not have enough decimal places attributed to them" without ever bothering to explain how any time series graph could produce a horizontal line over such an extended length. The only way that a time series produces this: http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3276/mandyrossisfullofshit.jpg is if no decline is taking place. You're wrong and you know you're wrong, which is why you keep changing your numbers. You making excuses because you can't admit to being wrong has gone from amusing to really pathetic.

Originally posted by
And then you have the gall to demand an apology, in a rather uncivil manner. Despite ignoring those in this thread who you owe an apology to.
You accused me of being deceptive because you insisted that your earlier quotes weren't about that replay. I proved that they were and you have yet to admit that you were wrong because you can't admit to being wrong about anything.

So you ignore my later posts, which have the overall conclusions which clearly refute you, and desperately scrabble around in your red mist for earlier posts (which include the phrases "rough guess", "maybe" etc.) and then use a ridiculous jump of logic to desperately attempt to show that you weren't completely incorrect. Rolling out your ludicrously incorrect graphic again which has been already shot down a couple of pages back ( http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4950599&page=5#45987605 ).

It is just getting pathetic. You have been shown to be wrong and cannot even find a foothold from which to base your ludicrous position.

jdbolick's 5 stages of grieving when he posts something completely wrong:

Denial - Pages 1-3. Facepalming, snide remarks, arrogance.
Anger - Pages 3-6. Personal insults, mock indignance, bold letters creep into posts. Walls of text start to appear.
Bargaining - Pages 6-?. Misquoting, ignoring posts, asking for an apology.
Depression - That's what everyone else reading this thread feels.
Acceptance - ??? The Solar System only has a finite lifetime.

It's just weird how you keep accusing me of things that you have been doing, not me.

Your insults:
Originally posted by mandyross
I think we've reached the limitation again of where your current understanding lies with regards to the speed script, finite element coding and time series analysis. Maybe Tautology will write another book for you with baby steps? Unfortunately, that is far beyond my level of patience.
Originally posted by mandyross
I understand the mathematics behind the green line (even predicting what it would be based on before I had even seen the script), you do not. It's something that is used commonly in time series analysis to smooth data, and you have to take this into account before drawing erroneous conclusions based on a fraction of one play. You've reached that point again where you're mathematically and computationally out of your depth and so just start to lash out aimlessly.

I am aware that you go a little insane when you get out of your depth, and of the painstaking process required to bring you around.
Originally posted by mandyross
You don't understand anything. Your reasoning is some of the most cretinous I have ever heard.

The 31.5 green line data point is lower because it takes into account the points of the red line beyond 31.5, where he has horizontal movement. Your conclusions are idiotic and just plain wrong.

That is what a running mean does to a time series! It is obvious that you don't understand this. Learn to program and look at the code, do a data analysis course, anything. You just don't have the qualifications to make any sense here and you are just misleading others.
Originally posted by mandyross

Remember, it was you that needed the basics of the speed script explaining to you in a mega-post, something that was patently obvious to several other users. Now we're getting a little more complicated, using a running mean, and you're struggling again.
Originally posted by mandyross
Liar. I have already responded to the italicized part several times.
Originally posted by mandyross
Lies, misinterpretation of data, insults, backtracking, this is becoming quite a bolicking!
Originally posted by mandyross

You're hopeless.
Originally posted by mandyross
You don't understand the code, you don't understand the time series, you don't understand how to interpret the green line, you don't respond to the detail in my posts, apart from with a clearly wrong jpg, you're insulting other users whilst throwing in another dig at Tautology for happening to be smarter than you etc. etc. etc. If you disagreed with someone on quantum physics and they couldn't be bothered to backtrack to a simple level to explain what operators were, or the like, you'd blow up and accuse them of <avoidance>. Remember, you're the one who is constantly banned for losing control of your emotions, who has a word named after you on these forums to represent your manic rants. Personally, I merely find it quite amusing.
Originally posted by mandyross

I never claimed to understand mathematics better than anyone in the world, but I certainly understand it better than ignorant, unqualified proles like yourself.
Originally posted by mandyross
You're using different quotes based on different replays bolick. Yes my numbers jump around because some replays show a speed drop of over 5%, some others it is down at around 2.5%, and the lowest I'm willing to go to on one replay is 1%. Not zero, like you claim. I even provided a possible explanation for it, which you glossed over. If your agenda in this thread was to actually learn something instead of throwing a hissy fit about several agents showing you up, you might have benefited from it.
Originally posted by mandyross
Stop your apoplexy, accept you failure, stop making it a personal issue when it isn't one, and grow up.
Originally posted by mandyross
You're being deceptive.

In no replay is the speed loss zero. Your error - and a major error at that which misleads the entire thread, and makes it thoroughly unpleasant.

Maybe I should have just taken the LHF stance?
Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Eat shit.

Originally posted by mandyross
Nice logic. You must have gone to debating school.

And you're lying also. http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4950599&page=6#45988865
Originally posted by mandyross
More lies. Keep them coming

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4950599&page=5#45987605

I think this thread is pretty much done now. I doubt anyone else is reading it.


And all of that is because you know you were wrong and it infuriates you. You went from "5-10%" to "5%" to "maybe 2.5%" to "a 1% loss" when the answer was 0%: http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3276/mandyrossisfullofshit.jpg Meanwhile you couldn't even admit that you were wrong when you insisted that your quotes came from different replays and I proved that you were referring to the same one all along. You can't admit when you're wrong.

jdbolick's 5 stages of grieving when he posts something completely wrong:

Denial - Pages 1-3. Facepalming, snide remarks, arrogance.
Anger - Pages 3-6. Personal insults, mock indignance, bold letters creep into posts. Walls of text start to appear.
Bargaining - Pages 6-?. Misquoting, ignoring posts, asking for an apology.
Depression - That's what everyone else reading this thread feels.
Acceptance - ??? The Solar System only has a finite lifetime.

You're sliding back to stage 2, with a smattering of stage 3 thrown in. Are you going to keep all those out-of-context quotes in your big GLB forum file? I'm amazed that someone who likes to saunter around and act the big shot can be supposedly so sensitive underneath - smacks of hypocrisy to me.

You're just repeating all the same incorrect nonsense over and over again that has been refuted in the past:

Conclusion 1: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4950599&page=5#45987605
Conclusion 2: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4950599&page=6#45988879

Breathe profoundly, suck them up. You are wrong.

I've never misquoted you. You're making things up because you're angry and embarrassed about being proven wrong.

Originally posted by jdbolick
You went from "5-10%" to "5%" to "maybe 2.5%" to "a 1% loss" when the answer was 0%: http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3276/mandyrossisfullofshit.jpg Meanwhile you couldn't even admit that you were wrong when you insisted that your quotes came from different replays and I proved that you were referring to the same one all along.

Seriously, say that you were wrong when you accused me of being deceptive by using quotes about different replays. I proved that you were talking about that fire catch return the whole time, so show us how evolved you are and admit that you made a mistake. Take a small step in your growth as a man.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Seriously, say that you were wrong when you accused me of being deceptive by using quotes about different replays. I proved that you were talking about that fire catch return the whole time, so show us how evolved you are and admit that you made a mistake. Take a small step in your growth as a man.

Already refuted. Stop lying to yourself, read the thread, start to act civilly, and apologise.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4950599&page=7#45990621