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Originally posted by jdbolick

Pretty sure this isn't true either. You have to be assigned to cover that receiver for it to count.


Fair enough. But even if you don't account for screen passes, he has much better numbers than Social tried to claim.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Longhorn's CB was 6th on his own team in pass deflections. Most of the defensive backs had a pass deflection to targets ratio of .280 to .300, while Eradication was only .254. The good news is that he wasn't the worst on the team. Yes Man XII: Ruination came in at .246, lol. Thank goodness for Bort's bad lead code on so many WR1 routes or his receptions allowed would have been even worse.

lol going with targets to deflection ratio over targets to receptions allowed.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Fair enough. But even if you don't account for screen passes, he has much better numbers than Social tried to claim.
No, he really doesn't:
Originally posted by jdbolick
Longhorn's CB was 6th on his own team in pass deflections. Most of the defensive backs had a pass deflection to targets ratio of .280 to .300, while Eradication was only .254. The good news is that he wasn't the worst on the team. Yes Man XII: Ruination came in at .246, lol. Thank goodness for Bort's bad lead code on so many WR1 routes or his receptions allowed would have been even worse.

Your CBs were shitty this season. Deal with it.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
lol going with targets to deflection ratio over targets to receptions allowed.
PDs are something your CB did. Bad passes are something the QB did, and bad leads are something Bort did.

Originally posted by jdbolick

PDs are something your CB did. Bad passes are something the QB did, and bad leads are something Bort did.

Well then let's use the actual numbers for man CBs on Hood (hcreek uses the hard hitter and combo differently) and not the numbers you used which were based on pure lies.

YMXI had a .285 INT/PD to target ratio. The other man CBs had .295, .210, .298, and .173. So he was pretty much right there with the top two, but had more INTs (more value than a PD). So go ahead and keep using lies and dishonest stats to try and prove my CBs aren't any good. We all know you've always been jealous of their success and will try to do anything you can to make them look bad.

My 2 CBs vs World League teams ...

Believe it was 13 games. About 90% of the passes I found out were in single coverage. My 2 CBs play the CB2 slot and cover the TE off and on. SS in most cases plays zone and isn't around for the pass.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1924070

6 tackle 0 missed. Targeted 8 times for 5 completes. 1 KL 1 PD. Never pancaked nor reverse pancaked.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1924508

1 tackle 0 missed. Both were never targeted. 3 pancakes. Spent all game throw at TEs and SS

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1926662

9 tackles 0 missed. Targeted 16 times for 11 completes. 5 PDs 1 pancake.

All passes short for 3-6 yards in single coverage. 1 was thrown for a longer complete in triple coverage.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1929952

6 tackles 0 missed. Targeted 15 times for 9 completes. 4 PDs. FINALLY someone pancaked one of my CBs. (1)

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1927621

4 tackles 3 missed. Targeted 8 times for 5 completions. 2 PDs and reversed pancaked 3 times.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1924849

5 tackles 3 missed. Targeted 12 times for 5 completions.6 PDs 1 pancake 2 reversed pancakes.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1928391

6 tackles 2 missed. Targeted 10 times for 6 completions. 1 PD.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1929951

5 tackles 2 missed. Targeted 7 times for 5 completions. 1 PD 1 Pancake.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1929952

6 tackles 0 missed. Targeted 15 times for 9 completions. 4 PDs. 1 reversed pancake.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1929688

5 tackles 1 missed. Targeted 2 times for 2 completions. 3 pancakes 3 reversed.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1929688

10 tackles 1 missed. Targeted 15 times for 11 completions. 4 PDs 1 pancake 1 reversed.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1933405

9 tackles 0 missed. Targeted 8 times for 6 completions. 1 PD 1 INT. 3 reverse pancakes.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1934180

4 tackles 0 missed. Targeted 9 times for 3 completions. 5 PDs.

TOTAL


76 tackles 12 missed. 86% of the time the tackle is made.

125 Targeted 77 completed. 62% completion against my 2 CBs. Worse then expected for me but almost all single coverage. Not sure if that helps or even matters.

1 KL

32 PDs

1 INT

10 pancakes 14 reverse pancakes.


Now lets take Longhorns 4 in World League. Keep in mind the above is 13 games for 2 players. So stats for an average of 26 games.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=2006528&playoffs=0 - Power CB

44 tackles 14 missed. 75% chance to make tackle.

Targeted 57 times completed 45. 79% of passes being completed.

14 PD 5 KL. 3 FF. 16 pancakes 12 reversed.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1998989 - Man Coverage

38 tackles 7 missed. 84% chance to make tackle.

Targeted 63 times for 40 completions. 63% of passes being completed.

16 PD 5 KL. 2 INT. 1 FF. 0 Pancakes 18 reversed.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1802041 - man coverage

50 tackles 9 missed. 85% of tackles being made.

Targeted 52 times for 33 completions. 63% of passes being completed.

12 PD 1 KL. 0 pancake 19 reversed.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1800580

49 tackles 3 missed. 94% of tackles being made.

Targeted 75 times for 41 completions. 55% of completions being made.

19 PD 1 KL. 0 pancakes 19 reversed.

Originally posted by Social Assassin
My 2 CBs vs World League teams ...

Believe it was 13 games. About 90% of the passes I found out were in single coverage. My 2 CBs play the CB2 slot and cover the TE off and on. SS in most cases plays zone and isn't around for the pass.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1924070

6 tackle 0 missed. Targeted 8 times for 5 completes. 1 KL 1 PD. Never pancaked nor reverse pancaked.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1924508

1 tackle 0 missed. Both were never targeted. 3 pancakes. Spent all game throw at TEs and SS

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1926662

9 tackles 0 missed. Targeted 16 times for 11 completes. 5 PDs 1 pancake.

All passes short for 3-6 yards in single coverage. 1 was thrown for a longer complete in triple coverage.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1929952

6 tackles 0 missed. Targeted 15 times for 9 completes. 4 PDs. FINALLY someone pancaked one of my CBs. (1)

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1927621

4 tackles 3 missed. Targeted 8 times for 5 completions. 2 PDs and reversed pancaked 3 times.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1924849

5 tackles 3 missed. Targeted 12 times for 5 completions.6 PDs 1 pancake 2 reversed pancakes.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1928391

6 tackles 2 missed. Targeted 10 times for 6 completions. 1 PD.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1929951

5 tackles 2 missed. Targeted 7 times for 5 completions. 1 PD 1 Pancake.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1929952

6 tackles 0 missed. Targeted 15 times for 9 completions. 4 PDs. 1 reversed pancake.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1929688

5 tackles 1 missed. Targeted 2 times for 2 completions. 3 pancakes 3 reversed.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1929688

10 tackles 1 missed. Targeted 15 times for 11 completions. 4 PDs 1 pancake 1 reversed.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1933405

9 tackles 0 missed. Targeted 8 times for 6 completions. 1 PD 1 INT. 3 reverse pancakes.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1934180

4 tackles 0 missed. Targeted 9 times for 3 completions. 5 PDs.

TOTAL


76 tackles 12 missed. 86% of the time the tackle is made.

125 Targeted 77 completed. 62% completion against my 2 CBs. Worse then expected for me but almost all single coverage. Not sure if that helps or even matters.

1 KL

32 PDs

1 INT

10 pancakes 14 reverse pancakes.


Now lets take Longhorns 4 in World League. Keep in mind the above is 13 games for 2 players. So stats for an average of 26 games.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=2006528&playoffs=0 - Power CB

44 tackles 14 missed. 75% chance to make tackle.

Targeted 57 times completed 45. 79% of passes being completed.

14 PD 5 KL. 3 FF. 16 pancakes 12 reversed.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1998989 - Man Coverage

38 tackles 7 missed. 84% chance to make tackle.

Targeted 63 times for 40 completions. 63% of passes being completed.

16 PD 5 KL. 2 INT. 1 FF. 0 Pancakes 18 reversed.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1802041 - man coverage

50 tackles 9 missed. 85% of tackles being made.

Targeted 52 times for 33 completions. 63% of passes being completed.

12 PD 1 KL. 0 pancake 19 reversed.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1800580

49 tackles 3 missed. 94% of tackles being made.

Targeted 75 times for 41 completions. 55% of completions being made.

19 PD 1 KL. 0 pancakes 19 reversed.







First off, you don't know how to read stats. KLs count as receptions allowed even though they aren't caught, so you have subtract them from the receptions allowed ratio to get the true ratio. So YMXI allowed 55%, YMXII allowed 70%, YMVII allowed 61%, and YMVIII allowed 53%. It also means yours allowed 60.8%. Second, you're comparing a yard hitter against man CBs. They are used differently by the DC. It would be like comparing a safety to a CB. Third, you're comparing CBs that are two seasons older than yours. I'll freely admit that my older CBs suck for this sim and certainly suck in comparison to younger WL CBs (though not yours). They were great when they were younger, but changes to the game (archetypes, multi-training, APB) resulted in younger builds being much better than older builds.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Well then let's use the actual numbers for man CBs on Hood (hcreek uses the hard hitter and combo differently) and not the numbers you used which were based on pure lies.

YMXI had a .285 INT/PD to target ratio. The other man CBs had .295, .210, .298, and .173. So he was pretty much right there with the top two, but had more INTs (more value than a PD). So go ahead and keep using lies and dishonest stats to try and prove my CBs aren't any good. We all know you've always been jealous of their success and will try to do anything you can to make them look bad.
Holy crap, you're such a baby. I didn't lie about anything, I posted the actual numbers. Lemdog's FS was at .500, which is crazy, but the others were: .295, .297, .298, .280, and .295. Your two corners were at .254 and .246. OMG LIES!!!

And I'm jealous of you? Holy shit, dude. I have never liked you because you were a self-promoter whose actual accomplishments never lived up to your relentless self-hype, and because you gave corner builders bad advice which sometimes hurt dots on my team. It annoyed me that someone would listen to you insist on splitting equipment between speed & agility, or that Long Reach is a worthless VA because if you fail something once then you're going to fail it again anyway. There are people who are annoying and yet I recognize them for being great at this game. You're just not, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.

edit:
Except at building returners, since I'm sure you were going to point that out in your rebuttal. It's funny to me that three of the most annoying people playing the game (you, Avenger, and beenlurken) all pride yourselves on special teams.

Also as a good example of the difference between players.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1921921 - CB Yes Man VII: Abomination and Yes Man VIII: Demolition

Both run out of CB1. Also both seem to have better help from other secondaries.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1929951 - CB On Golden Blonde and Cheeks & Thongs: Up In Stroke

Both run out of CB2. Check out my coverage compared to his.


First to anyone bored enough to input. Watch the two games above.

Second which group of CBs has better coverage? Which position in general is harder to cover?

Lastly. According to the numbers above mine cover better. If that is so and I am in a harder position to cover. Or because I am in single coverage more than what does that say about Longhorns shitty CB builds ?

Originally posted by jdbolick

Holy crap, you're such a baby. I didn't lie about anything, I posted the actual numbers. Lemdog's FS was at .500, which is crazy, but the others were: .295, .297, .298, .280, and .295. Your two corners were at .254 and .246. OMG LIES!!!

No, you didn't post the actual numbers. You posted the wrong numbers. You also refused to account for INTs and tried to compare HHer and Combo CBs to man CBs despite the fact that they are used differently by the DC. You both posted flat out wrong numbers and tried to manipulate them to support your argument where they didn't.

Originally posted by jdbolick


And I'm jealous of you? Holy shit, dude. I have never liked you because you were a self-promoter whose actual accomplishments never lived up to your relentless self-hype, and because you gave corner builders bad advice which sometimes hurt dots on my team. It annoyed me that someone would listen to you insist on splitting equipment between speed & agility, or that Long Reach is a worthless VA because if you fail something once then you're going to fail it again anyway. There are people who are annoying and yet I recognize them for being great at this game. You're just not, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.

Yes. You're jealous that every single one of my CBs has played on WL playoff teams whereas you could never get there. You're also jealous that you spend so much time and have so many cares for this game that I always have and always will build better CBs than you.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Yes. You're jealous that every single one of my CBs has played on WL playoff teams whereas you could never get there. You're also jealous that you spend so much time and have so many cares for this game that I always have and always will build better CBs than you.

HAHA

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
No, you didn't post the actual numbers. You posted the wrong numbers. You also refused to account for INTs and tried to compare HHer and Combo CBs to man CBs despite the fact that they are used differently by the DC. You both posted flat out wrong numbers and tried to manipulate them to support your argument where they didn't.
Because the numbers say something you don't like doesn't mean that they were wrong or that I lied. If you want to argue that PD to target ratio isn't a good way to evaluate corners then feel free to do so, but stop making yourself look like a defensive crybaby by claiming my numbers are wrong or that I'm lying.

Originally posted by
Yes. You're jealous that every single one of my CBs has played on WL playoff teams whereas you could never get there.
I'm not sure what this is even supposed to mean. You know how many times I've made the WL playoffs with my dots and as a DC, while you presumably also know that I had a corner on Hali for several seasons (sadly after they won their rings; I blame myself for them not winning any more).

Originally posted by
You're also jealous that you spend so much time and have so many cares for this game that I always have and always will build better CBs than you.
What? Your 318d dots are 1260.44, 1272.44, and 1268.54. Mine are 1369.94, 1365.94, and 1364.54. If Hood or any other team was choosing between my corners and yours, they'd absolutely take mine and you have to know that.

Not to mention neither one of us would be caught dead with a CB having 140-145 speed.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Because the numbers say something you don't like doesn't mean that they were wrong or that I lied. If you want to argue that PD to target ratio isn't a good way to evaluate corners then feel free to do so, but stop making yourself look like a defensive crybaby by claiming my numbers are wrong or that I'm lying.

Go re-run your numbers. Not only were they wrong, but they didn't include INTs. I've already showed you the true numbers.

Originally posted by jdbolick

I'm not sure what this is even supposed to mean. You know how many times I've made the WL playoffs with my dots and as a DC, while you presumably also know that I had a corner on Hali for several seasons (sadly after they won their rings; I blame myself for them not winning any more).

We're talking CBs, not dots. But if you want to talk dots, I'm pretty sure every dot of mine that has made it to plateau except for two have made WL playoffs, many doing it multiple times. You have one CB who made the playoffs twice back in seasons 14 and 15. I have 8 CBs who have made WL playoffs spanning from the time WL was created until now.

Originally posted by jdbolick

What? Your 318d dots are 1260.44, 1272.44, and 1268.54. Mine are 1369.94, 1365.94, and 1364.54. If Hood or any other team was choosing between my corners and yours, they'd absolutely take mine and you have to know that.

Resort to EL because you can't resort to builds. Everyone who knows anything about this game knows that EL only means so much. My builds are better than yours and that's why they are on better teams.

Originally posted by Social Assassin
Not to mention neither one of us would be caught dead with a CB having 140-145 speed.

But apparently the team that just won GLB wants three.