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Originally posted by Painmaker


That sounds reasonable, though right now it isn't an established standard for behavior. Why should the GMs show more loyalty to a stranger than their friends, when there is no established standard for doing so? Teams are "gutted" all the time right now, why should the USAORG GMs show less loyalty to their players than any other GM?

Do I think it would be better for the game for Bort to come out and say, "if you know ownership will be changing there should be a two-week moratorium on trades and releases before ownership changes, and all player contracts will be reset to Day 40 of the current season in the event ownership changes hands"? Absolutely. I think some code functionality could even be added to automate this function, such as an admin-selectable 'ownership changing' flag which puts these requirements into force and could only be lifted by extending the ownership period (paying flex points). But someone official (e.g. Bort) needs to put this out as an expected standard of behavior, otherwise no one can reasonably be expected to do it.


Reasons:

1) League integrity. Some teams had to face a legitimate team, don't give teams yet on the schedules of these potentially gutted teams an unfair advantage.

2) Friends? How many of you guys have actually met and put back some beers in real life? You're all strangers - acquaintances at best.


As to why USAORG shouldn't gut, when other teams do - I was under the impression when I applied for a team on the USAORG Exiles last offseason that this organization holds itself to a higher standard then the average team owner.

Am I wrong? I guess we'll see. This is a perfect opportunity for USAORG to show its true colors. What will they end up being, is the question.

USAORG has a chance to step up to the plate and show the community they do things the right way. Or subject themselves to non-stop ridicule for failing to do so.

Your call boys - think long and hard before you act.

But let's not forget that the ORG is 100% sure that the new owner will be crap. So, the ONLY way to prevent from being under a hypothetical bad owner is to gut it and gut it now. You aren't giving the new owner ANY chance to be good. You're assuming he'll be the pits. You don't know for sure. If he's that bad and enough people complain about it, Admin has to step in and do something. Until then, you're speculating everything and trying to justify the gutting of a team. Period. I'm not being forceful with my thoughts, and I understand where you're coming from. Players in real life get the raw deal often. A lot of times, it can damage their career and prevent them from becoming the best player possible. It happens. I get it. But if you're that important to your organization and they want you from up under the new owner and back on a organizational team, they'll make it happen. They'll offer a deal too great to pass up.

Originally posted by mocfam10
But let's not forget that the ORG is 100% sure that the new owner will be crap. So, the ONLY way to prevent from being under a hypothetical bad owner is to gut it and gut it now. You aren't giving the new owner ANY chance to be good. You're assuming he'll be the pits. You don't know for sure. If he's that bad and enough people complain about it, Admin has to step in and go something. Until then, you're speculating everything and trying to justify the gutting of a team. Period. I'm not being forceful with my thoughts, and I understand where you're coming from. Players in real life get the raw deal often. A lot of times, it can damage their career and prevent them from becoming the best player possible. It happens. I get it. But if you're that important to your organization and want you from up under the new owner and back on a organizational team, they'll make it happen. They'll offer a deal too great to pass up.

I'm not paying to take the chances that I'm going to be coached by some Nazi.

"OOHHH NOOOZZZZ! THESE FRIENDS WANT TO PLAY TOGETHER!11!!! CHEETERSSS11!!!!!1"

You don't understand where anyone is coming from - you're a loudmouth that refuses to look at simple solutions to the problem so instead you're going to talk about "real life."

Here's a clue - in real life the pro players get paid to play. That's not what happens here, is it?

In real life college players seldom have to deal with their coach getting fired midseason, but when that happens maybe it was due to poor play from the players that cost the coach his job. And those college players get to leave in the offseason if they so choose, oh... and they are generally getting an education worth $30k a year.

You seem to think that me being here and paying to play here means I am paying to keep you happy as well. That's not the case.

Originally posted by Clinton Esquire


I'm not paying to take the chances that I'm going to be coached by some Nazi.

"OOHHH NOOOZZZZ! THESE FRIENDS WANT TO PLAY TOGETHER!11!!! CHEETERSSS11!!!!!1"

You don't understand where anyone is coming from - you're a loudmouth that refuses to look at simple solutions to the problem so instead you're going to talk about "real life."

Here's a clue - in real life the pro players get paid to play. That's not what happens here, is it?

In real life college players seldom have to deal with their coach getting fired midseason, but when that happens maybe it was due to poor play from the players that cost the coach his job. And those college players get to leave in the offseason if they so choose, oh... and they are generally getting an education worth $30k a year.

You seem to think that me being here and paying to play here means I am paying to keep you happy as well. That's not the case.




Maybe you fail at reading comprehension, but I said players should havethe choice to leave at the end of the season. I agree with you. And if you don't like how you're being treated for something you paid for. STOP PAYING FOR IT. Maybe, just a thought. If you and your buddies want to have special, "gut my team" rules...go back to school. Learn how to create a football sim...implement the "Gut your team so friends can play together" rule. Be my guest. No one would care. But since this is a simulation of real life football organizations, how about you play it they way it should be played. You don't like the game, stop playing. You do have the right to retire you know.

But like I said previously, you should have the right to move on. AFTER the season. I put it in caps juuuust in case you missed it.

FTR, you aren't paying to "play with friends" You're paying to experience what it's like to be apart of a football business. You take it all....good or bad. If it's that unfair....go play CFL sims or sandlot football. Therr, you can hand pick your teams/owners/GMs and leave everyone else (THE BAD PEOPLE) on the other side. Time to grow up. I did outline a solution that fits perfectly for the true nature of this sim game. It gives players the right to refuse to play, it gives owners the right to inherit a team as is, and it gives the right for unregulated organizations to keep their Union players happy. What more do you want?

That's right. You want to league to make a special "right now" case for you.

MMORG - Massively Multiplar Online ROLEPLAYING Game. As in playing the role of something in real life.

Goal Line Blitz is a web-based American Football MMORPG. We've written a custom football simulation engine to provide you with the ultimate football experience on the web.

I'm sorry, but apparently, you're playing the wrong game. You want the BFF MMORG.

For all the sports debate let us not forget this is an MMO. You know why MMOs are successful? Because of the social aspect of the game. Under the terms of an MMO guilds disband all the time in leadership changes, lack of progression, and power struggles. When that happens people move on together elsewhere because they wanted to stay together. No one is being forced to stay in the org. Take a look as USA Pro. Look at how many GMs are GMs of the same teams in the same circle of friends across multiple leagues. Look how many teams TPat, Serenity, Malacorn, and Laggo GM for. Could it be they actually like working together?

I am not a pro athlete. If I got paid millions of dollars to play football, my job would be to play football no matter who is owner or coach. This is an MMO that I pay to play for, choose who I play for, and choose who I play with. By the way, fuck you for thinking these guys are avatars. I talk to at least 30 of these agents every day or every other day via IM offsite and more than that on a weekly basis. Like you, we have guys that can't spend an hour a day every day on site and log in every couple of days to check their players and say hello. I don't care if Mark Cuban buys the Exiles or not, we chose to remove as many players as possible, give the rest contracts that expire, and let everyone who wanted out have it.

As for "making it happen at my own expense", I am except it is coming at your expense, my expense, and most of all the expense of my agents. Blame me, blame the system, or whatever you feel like you need to do, but I will never regret trying to give an agent what they want out of this game.

It's a little late for me to "stop paying for it." Don't you think?

We both fundamentally agree on what should happen - things should change in the offseason. You're just a crybaby who doesn't like how things shook out.

Mental midgets like you think that you're the only person in the universe that matters. I paid money so I should suffer for half a season because option a wasn't on the table - that's your rationale right?

Someone in this conversation needs to grow up and get a taste of reality - so when you move out of your mommies house and realize that your next door neighbor pays his rent and can do whatever he wants to with his front lawn - then you can come back and revisit this topic.

In the meantime, cry away little guy.

Originally posted by blurev
For all the sports debate let us not forget this is an MMO. You know why MMOs are successful? Because of the social aspect of the game. Under the terms of an MMO guilds disband all the time in leadership changes, lack of progression, and power struggles. When that happens people move on together elsewhere because they wanted to stay together. No one is being forced to stay in the org. Take a look as USA Pro. Look at how many GMs are GMs of the same teams in the same circle of friends across multiple leagues. Look how many teams TPat, Serenity, Malacorn, and Laggo GM for. Could it be they actually like working together?

I am not a pro athlete. If I got paid millions of dollars to play football, my job would be to play football no matter who is owner or coach. This is an MMO that I pay to play for, choose who I play for, and choose who I play with. By the way, fuck you for thinking these guys are avatars. I talk to at least 30 of these agents every day or every other day via IM offsite and more than that on a weekly basis. Like you, we have guys that can't spend an hour a day every day on site and log in every couple of days to check their players and say hello. I don't care if Mark Cuban buys the Exiles or not, we chose to remove as many players as possible, give the rest contracts that expire, and let everyone who wanted out have it.

As for "making it happen at my own expense", I am except it is coming at your expense, my expense, and most of all the expense of my agents. Blame me, blame the system, or whatever you feel like you need to do, but I will never regret trying to give an agent what they want out of this game.

And that is wonderful. And the exact "out" your organization has. If you all really want to play together, you can make it happen within the rules of the game. It's not really a hard concept to master. if the organization is more important than the game, make it happen. Just don't expect the admin's make special clauses just for you. There are ways to get your end result....gutting the team before a new owner comes in should be one of them. Unless you get it all done within the rules of the game. I do however like the idea of players having the right to remove themselves from the depth chart.

Originally posted by Clinton Esquire
It's a little late for me to "stop paying for it." Don't you think?

wants to with his front lawn - then you can come back and revisit this topic.

In the meantime, cry away little guy.

Actually, I don't. The team's owner stop when he got ready. Unless there's someone holding a gun to your head telling you to log on...then it's never too late. Freedom to do whatever you truly want to do. No one's crying...I called a spade a spade and suggested a real solution to give players or a community an out if they are taken over by evil monsters. You on the other hand just want people to agree that gutting that team was the only solution. When it wasn't. No one's crying. It's the internet and a game. Something people do to pass time while at work....not working. No one's getting paid to be here. There's nothing to cry about. lol kids these days

Perhaps we need a long term solution to this. Since this is apparently a problem, it might be in the interest of everyone if a fallback owner can be appointed in future. To minimize the abuse, I would hazard a suggestion that having another player/GM that has been around since the inception of the team would be fair.

At this point of time, no one really knows what happened to Sprovo, RL does take precedence sometimes, and he could not be able to get online for whatever reasons.

In the end, I think USAORG GMs have done what any other GM would do when faced with a similar situation. In fact, I think they could have handled it much worse.

And before anyone accusses me, I have a player on an ORG team, like on any other team. My experience has been positive so far, and the GMs have been pretty good all round with respect to the agents and their players. They're just a bunch of guys trying to keep the team together. I'm sure they're looking at this thread, and if any good solutions are proposed, I'm certain it will be considered.

I've proposed a good solution

Originally posted by Whitesun
Perhaps we need a long term solution to this. Since this is apparently a problem, it might be in the interest of everyone if a fallback owner can be appointed in future. To minimize the abuse, I would hazard a suggestion that having another player/GM that has been around since the inception of the team would be fair.

At this point of time, no one really knows what happened to Sprovo, RL does take precedence sometimes, and he could not be able to get online for whatever reasons.

In the end, I think USAORG GMs have done what any other GM would do when faced with a similar situation. In fact, I think they could have handled it much worse.

And before anyone accusses me, I have a player on an ORG team, like on any other team. My experience has been positive so far, and the GMs have been pretty good all round with respect to the agents and their players. They're just a bunch of guys trying to keep the team together. I'm sure they're looking at this thread, and if any good solutions are proposed, I'm certain it will be considered.

I agree. A long term solution does need to be put into place. Back up owner to keep the team im place for just that season. Or some type of thing where an incoming owner has limited rights until the current season ends. Like all of his transactions and decisions have to be approved by a long standing GM. Or something like that.

I don't however agree that all owners outside of the ORG are bad and will automatically come in and destroy team chemistry. Because it certainly seems like that's the thinking of the ORG reps in this thread. So, I don't think everyone would do the same thing in this situation. Maybe just every ORG person would do the same thing.

blurev please respond to my PM

Originally posted by Joe_B
Originally posted by jrry32



Get over it, I Would give my players opt out clauses, they did not agree to play for the new owner and should not be forced to play for a guy who might be a bad owner or untrustworthy...I Would feel like an ass if the new owner came in and got all my players mad and ruined the team.

Insult: to treat with insolence, indignity, or contempt

There isn't contempt in this post? The way i read it, there is.


LOL not once did I call you a name or anything, I said get over it because it doesn't concern you...and I said I WOULD FEEL LIKE AN ASS not you, if I left my guys on a team with a bad owner then you started the personal attacks.

Oops, wrong thread.

Originally posted by wsdp
Originally posted by JuggaloXtreme

Also, I'm sure some are staying on the rosters on the two teams.

Sure doesn't look like it... Jug, hate to break it to you, but you've been duped

How was that "Draft" they did anyhow? LOLOLOL


BS is what it was. I was in talks with one of the gms that was putting that on and in the end everyone knows what happend. They chose the highest level people out of the millions......AND MILLIONS of glb clients that were signed up. When i sent a pm to him and asked how long it might take i was basically shown the door if i did not meet with them on msn ( or w/e gay ass messanger they wanted people on.) I do love how they gutted 2 teams but a usaorg player now owns one of them. How does one jump over people already on a list. Anyone wanna sell a team? I will come be a gm for you, you tell the mods you want to sell the team and one of your gms want to buy it. It's all legit right?