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Originally posted by bhall43
Ummm lolno

LOL U

prove me wrong sir, prove me wrong...

Oh, and if I got back into being an OC I'd be #2...

Originally posted by Luke Pass
LMAO at people ranking themselves as "Best OC"

We all know how fucking easy it is to actually put together a game plan, takes about 10 minutes to figure shit out. The OC's know it doesn't have to take much time at all, to be quite frank. So I have always laughed at people proclaiming to be really good coordinators. The key to success is matching VA's to builds, and having tactics in place with certain builds ........ if a team is on the same page in both of those categories (assuming the dots are well built), being an OC is fucking easy ..... but yes, OC's do take all the credit for any success .......... Any failures, and its obviously the, "We didn't game plan" routine

You have some truth here but far from all of it...

Originally posted by eastcoastbrian
LOL at people thinking their game plans actually make a lick of freaking difference. If teams are evenly matched the entire result of the game is based on RNG. It's why I got out of the OC business.

Either one of three conditions exist for every game:

Your builds are superior to your opponents and you don't have to plan
Your builds are inferior and you don't have to plan
Your builds are equal and RNG accounts for 90% of the results.

Signed - Former OC who watched the exact same plans for two teams that played each other within seconds result in a 24 point almost win for team "A" (game stopped Simming with less than 2 minutes to go in 4th qtr) in game 1 and a 3 point win for team "b" in game 2 (re-simmed with exact same settings for both teams immediately after the initial game had to be aborted).

So, do all the scouting you want, in the end not worth the time.

nop

Misfits have had the 12th-13th EL in the league and been a top 6 team every season.

I blame the OC for that. It sure as hell wasn't builds when I had my dots on the team.

Originally posted by robponce
nop

Misfits have had the 12th-13th EL in the league and been a top 6 team every season.

I blame the OC for that. It sure as hell wasn't builds when I had my dots on the team.

pretty sure the defense lost the CCG last season. i mean how does a TE catch 19-21

Originally posted by eastcoastbrian
Originally posted by bhall43

Ummm lolno

LOL U

prove me wrong sir, prove me wrong...

Oh, and if I got back into being an OC I'd be #2...

There really aren't a ton of good coordinators on defense and offense out there. Which is one of the reasons you see the same teams do well season in and season out. Builds matter for sure but honestly, there aren't drastic differences between the various WL/top pro teams now because VA strategies are all so similar and all the extra sp and ceq helped close the gap.

I mean, some teams still have better rosters but there are always tons of teams who do more with less and less with more. QCBC stayed in the WL like 5-6 straight seasons always with a subpar roster for WL (i was "head coach" for those seasons). Rocklee and EP coordinated their asses off and made them in to a playoff team each time. Buda/Sofia always do more with a non-elite roster because their coordinators are good (especially EE who is one of the best DCs in glb). Hood won WL s23 with a lesser roster to some of the other teams because JT hit on some almost perfect gameplans 4 games in a row (offense and defense).



If you're good though and have good play selection for your inputs, keep things mostly untaggable, and have your progressions spot on, then yea, you can coast a bit without having to spend a ton of time each game but adjusting some %s around and maybe adding a few things. Most WL/top pro teams aren't there though

Originally posted by MadCow DTD
pretty sure the defense lost the CCG last season. i mean how does a TE catch 19-21

pretty sure your 3 points on Offense wasn´t enough to win as well

Originally posted by MadCow DTD
pretty sure the defense lost the CCG last season.

Yup. 3 points, 106 yards on offense and 15 minutes of possession will get it done every time, definitely!

Originally posted by Disastermaster
Originally posted by MadCow DTD

pretty sure the defense lost the CCG last season. i mean how does a TE catch 19-21

pretty sure your 3 points on Offense wasn´t enough to win as well



3 points would have been plenty if he held you to 0... just sayin lol

Originally posted by MadCow DTD
No this is where we talk about Madcow being the 11th best OC in this fuckling game.... can I get an Amen?

Probably because only 11 people still actually play this game?

Originally posted by chronoaug
There really aren't a ton of good coordinators on defense and offense out there. Which is one of the reasons you see the same teams do well season in and season out. Builds matter for sure but honestly, there aren't drastic differences between the various WL/top pro teams now because VA strategies are all so similar and all the extra sp and ceq helped close the gap.

I mean, some teams still have better rosters but there are always tons of teams who do more with less and less with more. QCBC stayed in the WL like 5-6 straight seasons always with a subpar roster for WL (i was "head coach" for those seasons). Rocklee and EP coordinated their asses off and made them in to a playoff team each time. Buda/Sofia always do more with a non-elite roster because their coordinators are good (especially EE who is one of the best DCs in glb). Hood won WL s23 with a lesser roster to some of the other teams because JT hit on some almost perfect gameplans 4 games in a row (offense and defense).

If you're good though and have good play selection for your inputs, keep things mostly untaggable, and have your progressions spot on, then yea, you can coast a bit without having to spend a ton of time each game but adjusting some %s around and maybe adding a few things. Most WL/top pro teams aren't there though

Some of this is completely wrong (like JT having "perfect gameplans 4 games in a row." seriously did you watch any of those? At best he out gameplanned 2 teams in 4. Hood's defensive dots were very good, and their offense was mostly late game stacks. He could be the most overrated coordinator I've ever seen, and that's including bhall whose biggest accomplishment is winning catch ball rolls in triple coverage with the right stacks/luck).

But your point is not missed. A team with active, quality coordinators will outperform an equal team without every single season. Maybe no in any single game because RNG does play a role in a single game, but over the course of a season, coordinating matters quite a bit, especially at the WL level. That's why you see Pro teams pick off WL teams in the Tourneys every season and then come to the WL and go 3-13. It's not to difficult to defeat an opponent who isn't changing anything.

Originally posted by GMathiasf
Some of this is completely wrong (like JT having "perfect gameplans 4 games in a row." seriously did you watch any of those? At best he out gameplanned 2 teams in 4. Hood's defensive dots were very good, and their offense was mostly late game stacks. He could be the most overrated coordinator I've ever seen, and that's including bhall whose biggest accomplishment is winning catch ball rolls in triple coverage with the right stacks/luck).

But your point is not missed. A team with active, quality coordinators will outperform an equal team without every single season. Maybe no in any single game because RNG does play a role in a single game, but over the course of a season, coordinating matters quite a bit, especially at the WL level. That's why you see Pro teams pick off WL teams in the Tourneys every season and then come to the WL and go 3-13. It's not to difficult to defeat an opponent who isn't changing anything.

Lol...ok

Originally posted by GMathiasf
Some of this is completely wrong (like JT having "perfect gameplans 4 games in a row." seriously did you watch any of those? At best he out gameplanned 2 teams in 4. Hood's defensive dots were very good, and their offense was mostly late game stacks. He could be the most overrated coordinator I've ever seen, and that's including bhall whose biggest accomplishment is winning catch ball rolls in triple coverage with the right stacks/luck).

But your point is not missed. A team with active, quality coordinators will outperform an equal team without every single season. Maybe no in any single game because RNG does play a role in a single game, but over the course of a season, coordinating matters quite a bit, especially at the WL level. That's why you see Pro teams pick off WL teams in the Tourneys every season and then come to the WL and go 3-13. It's not to difficult to defeat an opponent who isn't changing anything.

Ease up on the Hood envy GM, you just look silly right now...In a one game winner takes all, if each coordinator had equal teams and the same amount to prepare, I'll roll with JT right now. As good as anybody in the game right now and what he did in USAPL the last few seasons should be proof enough, but hell the WL title doesn't suck either.

Originally posted by bhall43
Originally posted by GMathiasf

Some of this is completely wrong (like JT having "perfect gameplans 4 games in a row." seriously did you watch any of those? At best he out gameplanned 2 teams in 4. Hood's defensive dots were very good, and their offense was mostly late game stacks. He could be the most overrated coordinator I've ever seen, and that's including bhall whose biggest accomplishment is winning catch ball rolls in triple coverage with the right stacks/luck).

But your point is not missed. A team with active, quality coordinators will outperform an equal team without every single season. Maybe no in any single game because RNG does play a role in a single game, but over the course of a season, coordinating matters quite a bit, especially at the WL level. That's why you see Pro teams pick off WL teams in the Tourneys every season and then come to the WL and go 3-13. It's not to difficult to defeat an opponent who isn't changing anything.

Lol...ok

get some integrity bhall then maybe you'll make it someday

Originally posted by GMathiasf
Some of this is completely wrong (like JT having "perfect gameplans 4 games in a row." seriously did you watch any of those? At best he out gameplanned 2 teams in 4. Hood's defensive dots were very good, and their offense was mostly late game stacks. He could be the most overrated coordinator I've ever seen, and that's including bhall whose biggest accomplishment is winning catch ball rolls in triple coverage with the right stacks/luck).

But your point is not missed. A team with active, quality coordinators will outperform an equal team without every single season. Maybe no in any single game because RNG does play a role in a single game, but over the course of a season, coordinating matters quite a bit, especially at the WL level. That's why you see Pro teams pick off WL teams in the Tourneys every season and then come to the WL and go 3-13. It's not to difficult to defeat an opponent who isn't changing anything.

I'm sorry that Canton can't win in the playoffs