Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Worker 3
, and at that point, it almost doesnt matter how much speed you have since they are not going through you to get open... they are going in a completely different direction.

It is still about getting to the point where the ball reaches the WR when the pass is getting there. You don't only need to be as fast as the WR with ball hawk, you have to be faster, because you have to close distance once the ball is thrown.

Speed is actually more important on slants and crossing routes than it is on streaks.

On streaks, you are behind the WR in a vertical direction. High jumping and catching allows you to make a play on the ball in front of the WR because in GLB your player can see in all directions at the same time. You don't have to catch up to the WR to get a PD or INT.

On crossing routes and slants, however, you are behind the WR in a lateral direction. Jumping and catching don't help you if you don't get to the WR before the ball gets there.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
It is still about getting to the point where the ball reaches the WR when the pass is getting there. You don't only need to be as fast as the WR with ball hawk, you have to be faster, because you have to close distance once the ball is thrown.

Speed is actually more important on slants and crossing routes than it is on streaks.

On streaks, you are behind the WR in a vertical direction. High jumping and catching allows you to make a play on the ball in front of the WR because in GLB your player can see in all directions at the same time. You don't have to catch up to the WR to get a PD or INT.

On crossing routes and slants, however, you are behind the WR in a lateral direction. Jumping and catching don't help you if you don't get to the WR before the ball gets there.

doesn't this assume that the wr is perfectly lead into the pass and doesn't slow down to catch it?
it seems like most catches require a little slowing for the wr

Originally posted by Djinnt
doesn't this assume that the wr is perfectly lead into the pass and doesn't slow down to catch it?
it seems like most catches require a little slowing for the wr

which is what saves CBs, but you still have enough speed to get there after the WR slows down.

You also have to remember, that regardless of how high your vision is, your CB will get faked by pump fake, catch fake, or whatever. Speed helps you after that happens to your CB as well.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1349016

This is what slow CBs covering WL speed WRs look like. Our DBs have gotten significantly faster since last season, because we were running with an outdated model of corners with mediocre speed and high SAs. I don't know what Indy's CBs were running with, but they seem similar from the speed script.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12584964

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12585847

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12586608

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12586714

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12587060

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12587171

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12587410

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12588152

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12588699

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12589128

I could keep going, but you get my point . . .

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
It is still about getting to the point where the ball reaches the WR when the pass is getting there. You don't only need to be as fast as the WR with ball hawk, you have to be faster, because you have to close distance once the ball is thrown.

Speed is actually more important on slants and crossing routes than it is on streaks.

On streaks, you are behind the WR in a vertical direction. High jumping and catching allows you to make a play on the ball in front of the WR because in GLB your player can see in all directions at the same time. You don't have to catch up to the WR to get a PD or INT.

On crossing routes and slants, however, you are behind the WR in a lateral direction. Jumping and catching don't help you if you don't get to the WR before the ball gets there.

and i agree with pretty much all that. speed is more important to cover slants than streaks, because as ive said before, the WR has to take time to go through you... hence my argument that streaks arent what some people make them out to be with speed WRs. do they work? yeah, you can pull off a few every now and then, but slants are... or were (ive heard the inside shoulder things really helps... although now im slightly worried about out, corner, and flag routes) a speed WR's best friend... and i would say that for a CB to have been able to cover those slants effectively, he would have had to had more speed than what was really feasible. thats exactly why those offenses were as ridiculous as they were. it was hard to stop them, even with faster CBs. in the future, it wount be, because ALGs are really nice to CBs.

again, the reason streaks are not as good is because the WR has to go through the cushion and the CB to get separation, and often times by the time the ball is thrown, the WR will have little to no separation, and as soon as the ball is thrown, the CB gets BH, and the WR loses the speed advantage. if the WR had any sort of separation, that advantage is easily nullified by imperfect leads, and or the CB's jumping.

and sunshineman... . i only 3 of those replays exhibited a WR burning a CB

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12586608
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12588699
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12589128 (tons of pumpfakes, but it hardly mattered)

note how 2 of those are crossing routes, and on the fade route, the CB still got the tackle. pretty much all the other examples you put up can be chalked up to being on aggressive and missing their INT and PD rolls.

Originally posted by SunshineMan89
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1349016

This is what slow CBs covering WL speed WRs look like. Our DBs have gotten significantly faster since last season, because we were running with an outdated model of corners with mediocre speed and high SAs. I don't know what Indy's CBs were running with, but they seem similar from the speed script.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12584964

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12585847

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12586608

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12586714

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12587060

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12587171

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12587410

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12588152

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12588699

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1349016&pbp_id=12589128

I could keep going, but you get my point . . .

ermm. Most of these show either decent coverage or the CB jumping the ball on aggressive. I don't see a whole lot of toasted CBs there (a little, but not a lot).


Also, I don't know if this has been said but...for MOST throws you only need enough Ballhawk speed to catch up to the target point, which conveniently does not lead a streaking WR very well...CB speed has as much to do with it's ratio to ball speed as it does in comparison to WR speed.

There are some exceptions to this of course, and they can gouge you mercilessly when they come up.