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Originally posted by taurran

Low effective level certainly isn't a GOOD thing. If all your players have low effective level it says something about your GLB skills.

Yeah, having a competitive team for 14 seasons in a Pro league without having to merge or demote is truly the sign of suckage, you've got me there. Are you telling me next that lolbars are an indicator of good dots as well?

0 hardware tbh.

Originally posted by Veg
0 hardware tbh.

Then again, Alpine has 0 WEPL hardware too.


I'm bored. Can we start the games already? Wanna see how we stack up in the new league instead of talking about effective lvls

Originally posted by chronoaug
Then again, Alpine has 0 WEPL hardware too.


I'm bored. Can we start the games already? Wanna see how we stack up in the new league instead of talking about effective lvls

obv wepl gold < usapl gold

I gotta face Alpine again!

Originally posted by Zickzack
Originally posted by taurran


Low effective level certainly isn't a GOOD thing. If all your players have low effective level it says something about your GLB skills.

Yeah, having a competitive team for 14 seasons in a Pro league without having to merge or demote is truly the sign of suckage, you've got me there. Are you telling me next that lolbars are an indicator of good dots as well?

Actually, they are depending on what type of build you have. Saying they aren't is a fallacy and excuse for sucking at building players.

Staying in the same Pro league for 14 seasons and not winning a trophy? LOL... real impressive.

Originally posted by taurran
Actually, they are depending on what type of build you have.
And the same goes for effective level, after all it only says how many SPs you've spent, not whether you've spent them efficiently, but whatever.

Originally posted by
Staying in the same Pro league for 14 seasons and not winning a trophy? LOL... real impressive.
So show me yours as a Pro owner or coordinator? Anybody can rack up the lolGMs real impressive.

Originally posted by Zickzack
Originally posted by taurran

Actually, they are depending on what type of build you have.
And the same goes for effective level, after all it only says how many SPs you've spent, not whether you've spent them efficiently, but whatever.

Originally posted by

Staying in the same Pro league for 14 seasons and not winning a trophy? LOL... real impressive.
So show me yours as a Pro owner or coordinator? Anybody can rack up the lolGMs real impressive.


You're wrong. Due to natural leveling gains it does say if you spent them efficiently, that being in major/minor skills which will provide automatic leveling gains (free SAs). These are proven to make or break a build.

Lets see... OC for Brazillian Waxers, Cameroon Outlaws, Marblehead Longhorns, Botswana Bugeaters, assistant OC for Mataa Utu Voodoo, and Sophia Spiders. I've won a few Pro league/conf championship games as a coordinator, thanks.

lol @ stupid newbs assuming all trophies are loltrophies. You sir, are terrible at this game. Keep making excuses.

Originally posted by taurran

lol @ stupid newbs assuming all trophies are loltrophies. You sir, are terrible at this game. Keep making excuses.
Yep, terrible, you are absollutely right. But at least I don't call my casual team the "greatest ever" and then whine and bitch because I lose to the same team twice in a season. I thought your name sounded familiar, that whinefest was really one for the ages.

i have some loltrophies and real trophies (though they're all little gifs). i like to touch them at night


but to be fair, the effective levels while not meaning "everything" do mean something. It takes into account ALGs and the more efficient you build the higher your effective sp is. While i've seen builds at certain positions with decent effective sp not be that great because of where they spent it, for the most part it's a decent judge of talent. Look at WL last season and the effective sp of all the teams. It's not surprising that Blaze, valhalla, mod, hali, lincoln were all top 5. In USAPL last season not counting the 2 teams with decent effective levels but really old aging players, the team with the highest won (masterminds), and the other 3 teams in CCGs were in the top 5

Again, it doesn't mean everything but is a decent judge of team talent. If the difference in effective sp is marginal (under 10) then it's not a big deal but if the difference is like 50, it's noticeable. It doesn't account for proper AEQ and VAs but usually if the teams are building really efficient players they know about the best aeq/VAs

I dont' have a dog in this e-peen measuring contest but hoping an unbiased opinion can help there.

Also, taurran does know his dotball pretty well. He builds good players and has good information. I've seen his teams perform and alpine has scrimmed them in the past and they're good. I don't know anything about any of the WEPL teams really so i don't know about the tester's team. All i'm hoping for is a lot of competitive dotball games throughout the season since last year was a bit boring till the playoffs for Alpine. Looks to be like a more challenging season here though

Originally posted by chronoaug
Again, it doesn't mean everything but is a decent judge of team talent. If the difference in effective sp is marginal (under 10) then it's not a big deal but if the difference is like 50, it's noticeable. It doesn't account for proper AEQ and VAs but usually if the teams are building really efficient players they know about the best aeq/VAs

Well, then I am just glad that my ineficiently build players that I pieced together without a clue and by mere chance have managed to keep my team competitive in a Pro league for so long due to the grace and pity of all those other owners, OCs, DCs and whatnot. After all, as I don't know anything at all as taurran so eloquently pointed out and you try to lecture me on it has to be sheer luck and pity that made that happen.

So to all those people involved in running the teams we have faced over that period: Thanks guys for taking pity on me and keeping my life's dream alive, you are the greatest! <sniff>

Originally posted by Zickzack
Originally posted by chronoaug

Again, it doesn't mean everything but is a decent judge of team talent. If the difference in effective sp is marginal (under 10) then it's not a big deal but if the difference is like 50, it's noticeable. It doesn't account for proper AEQ and VAs but usually if the teams are building really efficient players they know about the best aeq/VAs

Well, then I am just glad that my ineficiently build players that I pieced together without a clue and by mere chance have managed to keep my team competitive in a Pro league for so long due to the grace and pity of all those other owners, OCs, DCs and whatnot. After all, as I don't know anything at all as taurran so eloquently pointed out and you try to lecture me on it has to be sheer luck and pity that made that happen.

So to all those people involved in running the teams we have faced over that period: Thanks guys for taking pity on me and keeping my life's dream alive, you are the greatest! <sniff>

Well, to be fair, i've been involved with teams that perform better than their effective spent sp. If you're very good with VA/AEQ and tactics you can make up for it. You probably are better at those things than the teams ahead of you. Like i said, it's not everything but just from a realistic standpoint, if you're going up against a team that also is good with VAs/AEQ, and tactics and they have a much higher effective sp level than you, then they would probably be the favorites.

Like i said, it doesn't mean everything and can be overcome but there is a strong correlation from at least WL and USAPL (the only two leagues i had any involvement with) between record and the effective sp.

Can't be bothered to get it to format right, i just copy pasted

Obviously the rome titans only have 4 players so it's not a big deal. Also, it doesn't account for players in decline. One of the highest in USAPL has all season2 players so that isn't going to work for them. Also, some teams still aren't done recruiting. Not to mention that a lot of teams have gone younger to rebuild.

Again. Doesn't really mean that much but is a way to judge teams without knowing about them. Back in seasons 1-8 most people just looked at average level but the effective level is a bit more effective than that though still can be tweaked

I feel bad bringing alpine down with my crappy low lvl SS. Was higher before signing him and i watched it drop a few points We did try to go a bit younger with some guys so hopefully it doesn't bite us in the butt too much and they can be effective in wepl


Rank Team Players Avg Level Avg Value Eff Level
1 Rome Titans 4 61 1092.77 74
2 Alpine 53 68 995.51 74
3 Lyon Winemakers 50 67 989.48 74
4 Speyside Whiskies 54 63 984.4 74
5 Bjelasnica Red Star 38 69 969.61 74
6 Parma Panthers 52 67 966.89 74
7 Burnt Orange Rising 31 68 965.54 74
8 Dresden Demons 46 67 961.87 74
9 Bath Killer Bees 51 67 960.94 74
10 The Evil Empire 55 67 960.03 74
11 LUX Borg 53 67 959.96 74
12 Tulsa Doom 50 67 956.92 74
13 Warsaw Wolves 54 68 947.55 73
14 Naples Purple Nurples 52 67 946.39 73
15 Fareham Demons 48 67 945.76 73
16 Hamburg Parrots 46 67 943.47 73
17 Italian Stallions 48 68 943.08 73
18 Belfast Commandos 44 67 942.82 73
19 Belfast Brawlers 48 68 941.2 73
20 The Legion 44 63 938.05 73
21 Rome Arcani 34 68 937.85 73
22 E-City Mercenaries 54 67 937.29 73
23 Baden Bandits 55 62 936.97 73
24 Toro Toreros 38 68 935.02 73
25 Stockholm Meatballs 39 67 934.1 73
26 Mississinawa Valley Blackhawks 32 69 933.45 73
27 Seville Golden Eagles 46 70 932.78 73
28 Munich Keggers 46 63 931.37 73
29 Black Hand 49 63 922.08 73
30 München Zeebachs 50 63 919.54 72
31 Black Sea Raiders 46 63 900.1 70
32 Boston Punks 55 54 799.06 58

Zickzack is one of the most respected owners in WEPL, so I suggest that you be careful before you have a revolution against Alpine, or just a coup to get taurran out.
I have nothing but respect for cavalier and chronoaug though, you guys run a great team there.

Oh, taurran is harmless. He just likes having a little fun. Don't take it too seriously. He's very civil and helpful in team forums (sorry, taurran. didn't want to ruin the image )