Warrior General Games

Originally posted by F8n4tune

That's the way you feel about it but not me , education and thinking has nothing at all to do with it. I don't need Bort to take yet another thing away from me that attracted me to the game , especially since the game is billed as a player creation game. The server issue is HIS issue and should be addressed by him not a bunch of people trying to sway things imo.

I'm pretty sure there are ways to fix this besides changing how to roll a player. And sorry Rob this thread did ask for solutions but I just couldn't pass it up. Probably because of my lack of education. I'll just read and have fun guys.



See, you aren't getting that. We are not taking away player creation! We're changing the method of how we get it. Is that very hard to understand? Instead of rolling which screws up the servers, we're just throwing out ideas on how to get a new method of re-rolling. For all we care, you can go put 25 in kicking for your QB and go have fun.

Originally posted by Dave Mr Majors
While I am not happy with the current rolling system, I feel that it is still a pretty good starting point. One of the big hindrances that I see from it is that most guys will roll all of the non essential skills to be 8's. If you look at the probabilities of getting all 8's in those skills, it rules out 96.3% of rolls AT A MINIMUM....

3 non essential 8s (HB, SS, FS)............(1/3)^3 = 3.70% probability of getting this
4 non essential 8s (QB, TE, LB, CB).....(1/3)^4 = 1.23% probability of getting this
5 non essential 8s (FB, DE)....................(1/3)^5 = 0.41% probability of getting this
6 non essential 8s (WR, DT, K, P).........(1/3)^6 = 0.14% probability of getting this
7 non essential 8s (C, G, OT).................(1/3)^7 = 0.05% probability of getting this

Even if we only roll our players to achieve 8s in the non essential skills, we are still kicking the crap out of the servers. I would be quite pleased if we could just make it similar to the secondary skills that are going to be 10s no matter what we do....except all of the non essentials should just be 8s all the time.

Then we can still roll for a specific height/weight combo, or for a single skill to be really high, and we don't need to have the moon align with venus, while the sunlight is refracting off of mars to make a rainbow over the Atlantic just to get our non essential skills minimized at the same time.

Yes, it is still rolling, but it removes a very large portion of what is slowing us down, therefore reducing the strain on the servers, and allowing us to create players much faster.

EDIT: And aside from everything else, I don't think anyone will come up with a solution that is easier for Bort to implement.....the coding changes would be a piece of cake.

EDIT 2: Another helpful aspect of reducing all non essentials to 8s is that it will automatically increase the probability of getting higher point values in our primary skills.....hence making the roll process faster.

I think that this is the best idea. It is very easy to implement and it has the least impact on the current process (people don't like change). The game is still in BETA, so it's not as if it can't be changed at a later date. Try it for one season, I think that you'll find it pretty much fixes the problem.



+1 for all sunlight refraction.

Originally posted by enasty19
Originally posted by F8n4tune


That's the way you feel about it but not me , education and thinking has nothing at all to do with it. I don't need Bort to take yet another thing away from me that attracted me to the game , especially since the game is billed as a player creation game. The server issue is HIS issue and should be addressed by him not a bunch of people trying to sway things imo.

I'm pretty sure there are ways to fix this besides changing how to roll a player. And sorry Rob this thread did ask for solutions but I just couldn't pass it up. Probably because of my lack of education. I'll just read and have fun guys.



See, you aren't getting that. We are not taking away player creation! We're changing the method of how we get it. Is that very hard to understand? Instead of rolling which screws up the servers, we're just throwing out ideas on how to get a new method of re-rolling. For all we care, you can go put 25 in kicking for your QB and go have fun.

This along with the other stuff you said pretty much seals the deal with me about you. I don't care about the servers and neither should anyone else , it's not your problem. You should care about the game/sim being better. Changing the way to create players is fine and well but it seems all that's needed for ONE DAY of grief you have to face is not a total revamp to create a player just because some feel the need to roll for hours(not me , but some do).

Really though man I see what your saying but your delivery is fucked. Feel free to have the last insult , i'm done. Like I said sorry Rob.

We should just wait to see what happens on Day 31 and Day 41 to see what might happen now with the new PeeWee cap going into effect.. I still believe changing the whole, re-roll because it takes to long excuse, is nothing but whining.. The difference between 20 and 24 is not a great distance to overcome..

Originally posted by Time Trial
Maybe Bort should actually spell out EXACTLY what height and weight do because if there is an advantage to being short and light versus tall and light versus short and heavy versus tall and heavy I'd like to know BEFORE I create my player.

Spell it out for us like the mouse over bubbles for speed and such when assigning skill points.

Agree! Quit keeping things that are need to know in the dark! I can probably name 5-10 very easily. WTF is everything a secret and Admins and Mods don't have an answer for anything but if a thread is valid or not.

Originally posted by F8n4tune

That's the way you feel about it but not me , education and thinking has nothing at all to do with it. I don't need Bort to take yet another thing away from me that attracted me to the game , especially since the game is billed as a player creation game. The server issue is HIS issue and should be addressed by him not a bunch of people trying to sway things imo.

I'm pretty sure there are ways to fix this besides changing how to roll a player. And sorry Rob this thread did ask for solutions but I just couldn't pass it up. Probably because of my lack of education. I'll just read and have fun guys.



Yeah man, it is your prerogative to speak your mind. Right, wrong or indifferent it is your opinion as a person. Stand by it.
You will see a lot of little kiddo clicks in PeeWee that can't stand alone and will take pot shots or underhanded stabs if you disagree in some fashion.with there agenda. Fuck those kinda people that have to ride on someone else's coat tails. You see them troll and swarm to a thread like there going to the local State Fair if they see some chance to belittle someone, start drama or sway you to there idea. Some people call it posse, I call it like it is, pussy!

Looks as if I roll A LOT of mother fucking players, every season. Personally I kinda enjoy rolling my players and get a bit excited when I roll a stunner. Even show my bad ass roll off from time to time and brag about it. Make the gaw damn game like World of Warcraft I will be the first SOB packing up my shit and moving on.

Originally posted by F8n4tune
This along with the other stuff you said pretty much seals the deal with me about you. I don't care about the servers and neither should anyone else , it's not your problem. You should care about the game/sim being better. Changing the way to create players is fine and well but it seems all that's needed for ONE DAY of grief you have to face is not a total revamp to create a player just because some feel the need to roll for hours(not me , but some do).

Really though man I see what your saying but your delivery is fucked. Feel free to have the last insult , i'm done. Like I said sorry Rob.



I know but if he wants to fix the sim, he probably wants to improve the servers first. I agree that more things need to be fixed before this but wlthis thread is for ideas on how to fix it not the opionions on whether or not you like the idea.

What if there was a height/weight x factor. in pee wee the kids are small and it takes 3/4 seasons for them to grow to their full height. that leaves room for a bit of randomness.

Originally posted by F8n4tune

That's the way you feel about it but not me , education and thinking has nothing at all to do with it. I don't need Bort to take yet another thing away from me that attracted me to the game , especially since the game is billed as a player creation game. The server issue is HIS issue and should be addressed by him not a bunch of people trying to sway things imo.

I'm pretty sure there are ways to fix this besides changing how to roll a player. And sorry Rob this thread did ask for solutions but I just couldn't pass it up. Probably because of my lack of education. I'll just read and have fun guys.



You're clinging to the pain in the ass part like it 's the fun part.

Originally posted by Robbnva
I sort of like this, except there is still rolling involved

if the 8s and 10s were stanard across the board than that is less criteria to roll for. but some of those max rolls can take forever

Let's just look at some math again....I'm a math Geek in case you haven't figured that out yet....

For that C you talk about that that you are rolling for a 28 in strength and 8s everywhere else.

First of all from my previous post about probabilities of getting just the 8s in place for that roll, you are looking at (1/3)^7 which is 0.00045725 or 0.045725%. That means you will get that once in every 2187rolls.

Then if we look at this page (http://www.glbwiki.com/index.php?title=Roll_Probability), we see that the probability of getting at least a 28 in strength is .0035% (.003 + .0004 + .0001 because a 29 or 30 would still satisfy the requirements). If you were to just roll for this (and not worry about the 8s), you are looking at once in 28571 rolls.

Once you put these two things together, you have to multiply those probabilities so .00045725 * .000035 = 0.00000001600375. This happens once in every 62,485,355 rolls.

Then we have the lovely aspect of probability for height and weight to factor in.

There is a huge difference in server strain going from 1:28571 to 1:62485355, but I still like the rolling process (to a degree) If I want to take the time to make sure I get my max attribute roll, that means that I am still working for it and it isn't being handed to me on a silver platter.

If I had to choose a method of going about this with the complete elimination of rolling, I would probably go with the 3-5 h&w combos to choose from, and then assign my SPs as I see fit...all non essentials start at 8, while majors and minors start at 10. It would still have to cap how high we can go on one skill though....we can't have a 33 strength Center....that's just not right.

Then a new question comes up....will we be required to assign some of our SPs before we "accept our roll" and go assign our 15 usual SPs? If not, we have the opportunity to train our skills while they are still 10s, and then do a massive SP assignment on Day 1 of the season