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MD
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Originally posted by bhall43
Vincent Jackson 18.6 YPC on 59 receptions last season.
Jennings would be a stretch at just over 16 YPC...but he had 80 catches tho. Still would be a huge stretch to include him in on a pure deep threat.

Andre Johnson is not a deep threat. Rarely do you see him doing fly routes. As he shouldnt be. He is big and has great hands and gets most of his stuff over the middle of the field in traffic.

You obviously don't understand what a pure deep threat is. If Andre Johnson is a deep threat...than so is every other WR in the game of football...as are half the TE's. There arent really many better built for the deep ball than Berrian. It is what got him paid the big $.


Well we can easily play the QB card for AJ as well, if you want to with Berrian. AJ has never had a good QB that could throw it deep well. Schaub cant do it, Sage couldnt, Carr was the best he had for the deep ball but he was on his back the whole time. AJ is pretty much forced to the shorter stuff with Houston. Give him a guy with a cannon and a Oline, you have a deep threat. Your making it sound like AJ is slow, which he isnt.

I understand what a deep threat is. I think a deep threat does more than just run in a straight line fast. A deep threat is a WR that can run the deep route at any given time, keeping the D honest about playing up too much. Moss, AJ, Jennings, Smith, Calvin Johnson, Chad Johnson are all guys that present a deep threat on any given play. Teams respect their deep speed, as well as their overall ability.


But just to drop this discussion, fine, Berrian is a track star. He can run in a straight line pretty fast.
 
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Originally posted by Victory Jones
so guys like Renaldo Nehimiah and James Jett would be 1 & 2 on the all time greatest deep threats of all time???


this argument is silly, cuz Berrian is garbage.


950 yards and 7 TD with QB's the likes of Gus and Tarvaris throwing you the ball make you a pretty damn good deep threat WR imo, Nehimiah was a marginal deep threat at best, Jett had a few solid seasons, but I believe both of them had way better QB's getting them the ball than Berrian has ever had.
 
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Originally posted by dano6482
950 yards and 7 TD with QB's the likes of Gus and Tarvaris throwing you the ball make you a pretty damn good deep threat WR imo, Nehimiah was a marginal deep threat at best, Jett had a few solid seasons, but I believe both of them had way better QB's getting them the ball than Berrian has ever had.


but they had the blazing speed that seems to be the be all and end all for the deep threat WR of which you seem to think Berrian is top ten in the league...


Berrian is a marginal WR...

at best...


no matter how narrowly you or anyone else wants to define the rest out...


 
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Originally posted by MD
Well we can easily play the QB card for AJ as well, if you want to with Berrian. AJ has never had a good QB that could throw it deep well. Schaub cant do it, Sage couldnt, Carr was the best he had for the deep ball but he was on his back the whole time. AJ is pretty much forced to the shorter stuff with Houston. Give him a guy with a cannon and a Oline, you have a deep threat. Your making it sound like AJ is slow, which he isnt.

I understand what a deep threat is. I think a deep threat does more than just run in a straight line fast. A deep threat is a WR that can run the deep route at any given time, keeping the D honest about playing up too much. Moss, AJ, Jennings, Smith, Calvin Johnson, Chad Johnson are all guys that present a deep threat on any given play. Teams respect their deep speed, as well as their overall ability.


But just to drop this discussion, fine, Berrian is a track star. He can run in a straight line pretty fast.


MD gets it
 
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Originally posted by MD
Well we can easily play the QB card for AJ as well, if you want to with Berrian. AJ has never had a good QB that could throw it deep well. Schaub cant do it, Sage couldnt, Carr was the best he had for the deep ball but he was on his back the whole time. AJ is pretty much forced to the shorter stuff with Houston. Give him a guy with a cannon and a Oline, you have a deep threat. Your making it sound like AJ is slow, which he isnt.

I understand what a deep threat is. I think a deep threat does more than just run in a straight line fast. A deep threat is a WR that can run the deep route at any given time, keeping the D honest about playing up too much. Moss, AJ, Jennings, Smith, Calvin Johnson, Chad Johnson are all guys that present a deep threat on any given play. Teams respect their deep speed, as well as their overall ability.


But just to drop this discussion, fine, Berrian is a track star. He can run in a straight line pretty fast.


where did i play the QB card? That would be silly to bring into the discussion. May as well start talking about coaching too.

I never said AJ was slow...but he has never and will never be used as a guy who streaks the field...its just not his game and really it shouldnt be.

Chad and Moss can certainly be thrown into the deep threat mix as that is what they excel on as well. Andre Johnson does not make his money for streaking the field.
 
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Originally posted by Victory Jones
but they had the blazing speed that seems to be the be all and end all for the deep threat WR of which you seem to think Berrian is top ten in the league...


Berrian is a marginal WR...

at best...


no matter how narrowly you or anyone else wants to define the rest out...




When it comes to streak routes....Berrian should be in the top 10 in the league when healthy. I would probably drop him in the top 25 for WR's in the league as a whole.

WR's in no particular order I would throw in the top 25...

1. Andre Johnson
2. Larry Fitzgerald
3. Randy Moss
4. Steve Smith
5. Anquan Boldin
6. TJ Housmanzadeh
7. Greg Jennings
8. Donald Driver
9. Wes Welker
10. Roddy White
11. Calvin Johnson
12. Plaxico Burress (even tho hes gonzo)
13. Terrell Owens
14. Calvin Johnson
15. Brandon Marshall
16. Santana Moss
17. Hines Ward
18. Reggie Wayne
19. Torry Holt
20. Marques Colston

From this point its really pick and choose...

Santonio Holmes
Bernard Berrian
Antonio Bryant
Dwayne Bowe
Vincent Jackson
Lee Evans
Desean Jackson
Lavernues Coles
Jericho Crotchery
Braylon Edwards
Eddie Royal


Any of these guys could have a stud or dud season at any point in time.
Edited by bhall43 on Aug 23, 2009 15:47:31
 
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derrick mason should be ahead of hines ward. he's a reception moster
Edited by MDterpsBBall03 on Aug 23, 2009 16:15:46
 
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Originally posted by MDterpsBBall03
derrick mason should be ahead of hines ward. he's a reception moster


I think Mason should at least be on one of those lists, but he isn't better than Ward. Hines Ward is IMO the toughest WR NFL has to offer, and his production is very consitent as well. He is a stud WR. Donald Driver is also of the same breed as Ward.
 
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Originally posted by creeker22
I think Mason should at least be on one of those lists, but he isn't better than Ward. Hines Ward is IMO the toughest WR NFL has to offer, and his production is very consitent as well. He is a stud WR. Donald Driver is also of the same breed as Ward.


hines is nothing but a cheap shot artist. they have a new rule because of his cheap shots. i wouldn't call that tough
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Originally posted by MDterpsBBall03
derrick mason should be ahead of hines ward. he's a reception moster


he retired right? thats why i dropped him.
 
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Originally posted by bhall43
he retired right? thats why i dropped him.


he pulled a brett farve and retired for a couple weeks
 
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Originally posted by MDterpsBBall03
Originally posted by creeker22

I think Mason should at least be on one of those lists, but he isn't better than Ward. Hines Ward is IMO the toughest WR NFL has to offer, and his production is very consitent as well. He is a stud WR. Donald Driver is also of the same breed as Ward.


hines is nothing but a cheap shot artist. they have a new rule because of his cheap shots. i wouldn't call that tough


That hit against the Bengal guy wasn't a cheap shot. It was an amazingly hard hit. That's football. In fact if that rule was in place, that guy probably would have had his career ended since Ward would have been going for his legs which ends careers a lot.
 
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Originally posted by MDterpsBBall03
Originally posted by bhall43

he retired right? thats why i dropped him.


he pulled a brett farve and retired for a couple weeks


Except it was much more respectable. He wasn't in a football state of mind after the McNair death
 
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Originally posted by MDterpsBBall03
he pulled a brett farve and retired for a couple weeks


Well ill be damned. Certainly would add him to my list then. FWIW...Favre really never retired as he never sent his papers in.
 
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Originally posted by bhall43
When it comes to streak routes....Berrian should be in the top 10 in the league when healthy. I would probably drop him in the top 25 for WR's in the league as a whole.



no offense, but thats like saying, when it comes to arm strength, JP Losman has a top 5 arm...


but all that cannon got JP was a one way ticket to the UFL...

and all pure speed gets Berrian is a pat on the back and an atta boy...


speed is probably the most overrated attribute in a WR... deep threat or not.

 
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