Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Ubasstards
Originally posted by UTguy224


He did not steal the build. If Eddie Winslow were being honest he would also have included the 3 paragraphs of tips he responded with on how to build a DE and the remark he made and I quote, "I hope this helps, like I said I'll show you my player as soon as I'm done with my playoffs. Good luck."

He wasn't using it to give information to an opponent. We had been having a lengthy discussion about the best way to build a pass rushing DE on our board and he asked him if had some tips. If the guy offers advice that is not cheating. Seriously, you accused Orangebloods of cheating. You made your case and we made our counterpoints. Let it go until the admins deal with it. This is just stupid.

When you have guys from other divisions coming over to our forum, it is fairly evident what you are up to. You are going around the leagues stealing the best player builds.

What would make this randomn come into our forum? He feels wrong about having helped you cheat.

How is asking if he would be willing to show his build OR if he doesn't want to just give general tips stealing? I'm pretty sure hundreds of people share ideas on builds in the general forums all day long. He didn't hold a gun to his head. He just asked. The guy answered with over three paragraphs and then offered to show him his build after the playoffs are over. He even wished him good luck for crying out loud. Do you have even an ounce of reading comprehension or are you just going to continue to cry wolf for no good reason?

Originally posted by UTguy224

How is asking if he would be willing to show his build OR if he doesn't want to just give general tips stealing? I'm pretty sure hundreds of people share ideas on builds in the general forums all day long. He didn't hold a gun to his head. He just asked. The guy answered with over three paragraphs and then offered to show him his build after the playoffs are over. He even wished him good luck for crying out loud. Do you have even an ounce of reading comprehension or are you just going to continue to cry wolf for no good reason?

Can you PM me or post the actual message from this guy? I need to contact the admins about this. I'll just contact Eddie directly to see if we have evidence of your cheating to show the admins.

If Eddie gives me permission to I will. I don't want to get accused of "cheating" again just by posting it.

Originally posted by UTguy224
If Eddie gives me permission to I will. I don't want to get accused of "cheating" again just by posting it.

nevermind, I asked him for it.

Why would he help you then come in here to say you cheated? Someone must have pissed him off.

Get over it. This is the most ridiculous example of titty babying crying I have yet to see. There are no hanging chads. The game has been played, and it's over. Well, all but the crying, as is quite evident.


Originally posted by Ubasstards
Originally posted by UTguy224


He did not steal the build. If Eddie Winslow were being honest he would also have included the 3 paragraphs of tips he responded with on how to build a DE and the remark he made and I quote, "I hope this helps, like I said I'll show you my player as soon as I'm done with my playoffs. Good luck."

He wasn't using it to give information to an opponent. We had been having a lengthy discussion about the best way to build a pass rushing DE on our board and he asked him if had some tips. If the guy offers advice that is not cheating. Seriously, you accused Orangebloods of cheating. You made your case and we made our counterpoints. Let it go until the admins deal with it. This is just stupid.

When you have guys from other divisions coming over to our forum, it is fairly evident what you are up to. You are going around the leagues stealing the best player builds.

What would make this randomn come into our forum? He feels wrong about having helped you cheat.

I did reply originally because I thought it was harmless, but then a friend of mine got a similar PM from another BBB team a few hours later about his defensive player. We put two and two together and assumed these teams were doing something sneaky. I came looking to see if they've ever done anything fishy and I stumbled on this thread.

In their defense; however, I will say that judging by the way they're reacting I probably made a big deal out of a hunch. When it's all said and done they have to put themselves in my position and see what I saw - a team with a big thread that says CHEATERS and two suspicious PMs within hours of each other.

and I want to make it clear that I never once assumed they were stealing our builds for their own personal gain, but rather trying to let us show our hand in order to help the teams that we were about to play. I assumed they knew some of the owners or players from those teams.

I want to clear that up right now, too.

Eddie or your team's owner/GMs, if you ever have questions about how energy works, finance, or about offensive tactics, feel free to contact me. I see no problem in sharing advice with other players.

I give and get tips from players in all regions and all levels. Just because it's a game that doesn't mean it's a war. And I hardly think it's unethical.

Originally posted by Eddie Winslow
and I want to make it clear that I never once assumed they were stealing our builds for their own personal gain, but rather trying to let us show our hand in order to help the teams that we were about to play. I assumed they knew some of the owners or players from those teams.

I want to clear that up right now, too.

Thanks Eddie. If you don't mind, I would like to share your PM with the rest of BBB 16 so they can have an idea of the build of the Orangebloods DE's and help them prepare for the matchup. Or I can just forward it to the individual team(s) that face them in the upcoming playoffs. Whatever you are more comfortable with.

Stealing? Are you freaking kidding me?

That would be like me volunteering to help someone build a system, and then going around saying they stole my services.

ARe you freaking kidding me? Not sure what your dog in this hunt is, but it's obvious you have an agenda.

Unless someone hacked your account, there is no stealing.


Originally posted by Eddie Winslow
and I want to make it clear that I never once assumed they were stealing our builds for their own personal gain, but rather trying to let us show our hand in order to help the teams that we were about to play. I assumed they knew some of the owners or players from those teams.

I want to clear that up right now, too.

Yeah, I never said anybody tried to hack my account or steal my builds at all. I dunno where that came from, I just felt it was suspicious that these e-mails were coming in so close to each other trying to get us to set our builds to "everybody can view" right before a very heated, competitive game with a rival team.

Combine that with a big thread that says "orangeblood - cheaters" and I think I may have jumped the gun a bit. I'm still not 100%, but my gut tells me I may have got caught up in everything.

Originally posted by Eddie Winslow
Yeah, I never said anybody tried to hack my account or steal my builds at all. I dunno where that came from, I just felt it was suspicious that these e-mails were coming in so close to each other trying to get us to set our builds to "everybody can view" right before a very heated, competitive game with a rival team.

Combine that with a big thread that says "orangeblood - cheaters" and I think I may have jumped the gun a bit. I'm still not 100%, but my gut tells me I may have got caught up in everything.

You first instinct was likely correct. If they have a long history of cheating, you should be suspicious.

Originally posted by Eddie Winslow
I'm from Eastern Europe Pro, and I caught this guy cheating in a different way. Him and some other guys are working together to spy in on our team to relay information back to our next opponent. If he doesn't fess up to it I'll have to get one of the admins to do some digging. It shouldn't be that hard to find the link when they look thru the IPs.

From:
justacrzywhteboy2 Date Sent:
May 26, 2008 09:37:37 Subject:
hey
i noticed that your de, deebo, is a very succesful pass rusher. I am trying to build a decent one myself. Is there any way you could show me his stats... and if not, can i get some kind of tips on how to make a good pass rush de.

this guy doesn't know me from adam, you really expect me to think he just PMed me out of the blue like that? Especially when this other guy did it a few hours later

From:
tasuiee Date Sent:
May 27, 2008 02:57:11 Subject:
question about your DT 78 tackles is insane!
was wondering on what your stats are as a DT... not sure how much you got your pass rushing so high.. and what do you concentrate on?

lame.


First, I have no idea who tasuiee even is. Secondly, Crzy is a 16 year old kid who just made a new DE and wants to be successful. He PMed about 10 different DE's around GLB. It had nothing to do with your team or who is in a league with you. I couldn't tell you the name of one European team.

Several people in this league have an obvious agenda against us, and I'm glad you recognized that after reading through the threads here. They've tried really hard to tarnish our name by manipulating information and trying to get us publicly condemned. It would be nice if an admin would step in and delete this libel.

Originally posted by Ubasstards
Originally posted by Eddie Winslow

Yeah, I never said anybody tried to hack my account or steal my builds at all. I dunno where that came from, I just felt it was suspicious that these e-mails were coming in so close to each other trying to get us to set our builds to "everybody can view" right before a very heated, competitive game with a rival team.

Combine that with a big thread that says "orangeblood - cheaters" and I think I may have jumped the gun a bit. I'm still not 100%, but my gut tells me I may have got caught up in everything.

You first instinct was likely correct. If they have a long history of cheating, you should be suspicious.

Would you give it up already? You guys called my hand and I showed it. You have a list of every single player on my team, where they came from, and how we acquired them.

Let the obsession die already.