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This is what I'm talking about. Even WHEN you try to make a statement that you go out of your way to point out isn't directed at any one person or team in general it's a slam fest.

Par for the course though these days in any GLB forum.

I am in the minority with lawdawg here obviously. I just want to see threads about fun stuff. Hey look what my player did! Hey Player X is awesome look at this! Remember season 1 and 2 when this game was new to us? The discussion was great. I understand that it has been over a year and with time everything dies down, but its like nobody wants to enjoy the game anymore? Pretty much everyone waits for the next bug to say it sucks and should be fixed (which i agree it should be) without realizing that Bort don't read USA Pro Forums to see what we are complaining about when he has the Bugs forum.

I guess what it comes down to for me, is this 'game' stopped actually being fun sometime in season 8.
Which is why it's probably time for me to wrap things up from a management standpoint.

I mean, even the soft spoken cav has been annoyed at the seeming randomness of the sim since the 5/14 changes. You can lose by 30 or win by 30 against the same team back to back if you get a bunch of knocked loose ints going one way or the other. If Cav gets annoyed, then you know there really is a problem. haha




I personally don't understand what the problem is, especially when it has been made clear by bort and mods that they're not sure what happened. It's just disheartening to hear that things so drastic such as this can happen accidentally by altering a different part of the sim. Goes to show that the sim is a lot more complicated than that one guy tried to describe.


I agree with sarims or whoever said it's probably to do with the change to the way defenders play the pitch and now CBs are treating knocked loose balls like pitches and immediately jumping to them with no real vision checks and treating it like a pitch, which are 100% caught by the HB so it doesn't need a catching roll really. Not sure. Definitely weird whatever happened and i'm sure bort is trying to figure it out because this definitely WAS NOT intended. It's the only thing that makes sense really looking at the 5/14 changes.

Originally posted by Galkuris
Originally posted by islander1

Originally posted by Galkuris


Originally posted by Saris



It's probably something like pitches using the same logic as a knocked loose pass. Then when he changes how defenders react to pitches on 5/14, inadvertently it changes the interception dynamic when the ball is knocked loose. I don't think it was an intentional change anyway.

Underrated post imo. Often times changing one section of code can have an effect on another part. Coding a game like this is not as simple as:

Pass thrown;
check for int;
check for deflection;
.
.
.
check for knock loose;
check for INT after knock loose;


I can guarantee that.

Now, that doesn't excuse this issue, and it IS a problem for teams that actually like to pass more often. Maybe you haven't noticed but the three teams that are sitting at the top right nowin the West...love to run it as much as possible. Heck, even the #4 team likes to run it, but we had more of a risk/reward type offense on first, so this change murdered us when we got the risk side and had to pass on 2nd/3rd downs. Heck, even the fast rising team of Texas made their biggest wins (WW, Compton, Drinkin) after the change...and they too rely heavily on the running game.

I think most every team wanted and tried passing more early in the season. I don't know of any team that wants their WR's to be completely meaningless in the team season in and out.

Yet here we are, 3 seasons later.

Ya, that is partly what I meant though. For the first 8 weeks it looked like passing was a really good option, similar to season 6/7 where both passing and running worked together.



the unfortunate truth is pass coverage (man) was broken all that time. So Bort's passing changes to make it viable involved eliminating man coverage (so to speak). Brilliant.

Originally posted by islander1
I guess what it comes down to for me, is this 'game' stopped actually being fun sometime in season 8.
Which is why it's probably time for me to wrap things up from a management standpoint.

I've told many people the same thing for the last 2 seasons. Honestly I was very close last season but it's pretty hard to sell the team after you JUST made Pro.

Originally posted by lawdawg95
Originally posted by islander1

I guess what it comes down to for me, is this 'game' stopped actually being fun sometime in season 8.
Which is why it's probably time for me to wrap things up from a management standpoint.

I've told many people the same thing for the last 2 seasons. Honestly I was very close last season but it's pretty hard to sell the team after you JUST made Pro.

The thing is, ultimately its not the losing that makes it 'unfun'.

It's the continually broken sims, the epicly slow response time to fixing the issues that need fixing, and then the abiity to create a new game breaking sim code mistake 80% of the time in process of fixing the original problem.

Additionally I do think the grind of the season (and scrimmages) contribute more then I'd like to admit. This last week was brutal. Early in the season when we had all our PWT round robins lined up was a rough week also because defensively I was struggling. I've just always been as committed as I could be to put the best product on the field for my team(s). That's pretty taxing, but it's a fine line between winning and losing in the USAPL (or subsequent worldwide Pro competitions), you just can't mail stuff in against many opponents and get a 17 point win.

Originally posted by lawdawg95
These threads always pop up after we beat someone it seems.

nice win today. surprising. but this thread isn't about you.

lawldawg- no one cares about your team or the ww game. seriously. kron has about 100posts all over the knocked loose int threads in the main forum and bug forum 3 days before you beat ww. Also, i don't think you're in any position to talk about nonconstructive threads given the 2 threads devoted to you and SDL. Every thread but ranking threads or alcohol threads turn into two teams shit talking or unfunny memes

Originally posted by islander1
Originally posted by lawdawg95

Originally posted by islander1


I guess what it comes down to for me, is this 'game' stopped actually being fun sometime in season 8.
Which is why it's probably time for me to wrap things up from a management standpoint.

I've told many people the same thing for the last 2 seasons. Honestly I was very close last season but it's pretty hard to sell the team after you JUST made Pro.

The thing is, ultimately its not the losing that makes it 'unfun'.

It's the continually broken sims, the epicly slow response time to fixing the issues that need fixing, and then the abiity to create a new game breaking sim code mistake 80% of the time in process of fixing the original problem.

Additionally I do think the grind of the season (and scrimmages) contribute more then I'd like to admit. This last week was brutal. Early in the season when we had all our PWT round robins lined up was a rough week also because defensively I was struggling.


I agree with you more than you think. But for me it's all the incessant griping throughout GLB that makes this a lot less fun to me.

Didn't mean to take it out on ya, just frustrates the holy hell out of me sometimes. The inescapable fact though is that this game is headed straight for the shitter.





Ask yourself this question:

Have you ever heard of someone who gave up their team and regretted their decision?

Originally posted by chronoaug
lawldawg- no one cares about your team or the ww game. seriously. kron has about 100posts all over the knocked loose int threads in the main forum and bug forum 3 days before you beat ww. Also, i don't think you're in any position to talk about nonconstructive threads given the 2 threads devoted to you and SDL. Every thread but ranking threads or alcohol threads turn into two teams shit talking or unfunny memes

You're absolutely missing my point.

Originally posted by lawdawg95
Originally posted by chronoaug

lawldawg- no one cares about your team or the ww game. seriously. kron has about 100posts all over the knocked loose int threads in the main forum and bug forum 3 days before you beat ww. Also, i don't think you're in any position to talk about nonconstructive threads given the 2 threads devoted to you and SDL. Every thread but ranking threads or alcohol threads turn into two teams shit talking or unfunny memes

You're absolutely missing my point.

I understand your point, but i also think you're giving your team a bit too much credit as if you started this uproar about the knocked loose ints. It was a great win against a top 5 GLB team and no one is taking that away from you guys.

I know what you're saying about the game and bitchfest. I think it's justified as a lot of people have been playing for over a year now and have invested a lot of money in the game. The game was slowly getting better until season 7 and it has been roller coaster instead of a steady climb since.

The natives are getting restless because they're hoping to see more consistency and quit seeing drastic changes in the game from season to season (or this season) that require different gameplans. With retirement in the near future, a lot of people are just getting tired of it. I can't say i blame them. Playing over a year in a game as inconsistent as this is just starting to take its toll on people and at the pro level it is a lot of work to have a gameplan that perhaps should've won but saw an accidental bug change outcomes drastically.

I feel bad for the Naturals. They were playing pretty well and just got done beating us the day before the changes went through (didn't actually take effect till 5/15) and are 1-4 since. They've played harder teams but they're pretty much a 100% passing team and they're going to need a lot of luck in the playoffs if they make it to dodge that many knocked loose INT TDs

Originally posted by chronoaug


I understand your point, but i also think you're giving your team a bit too much credit as if you started this uproar about the knocked loose ints.

I know what you're saying about the game and bitchfest. I think it's justified as a lot of people have been playing for over a year now and have invested a lot of money in the game. The game was slowly getting better until season 7 and it has been roller coaster instead of a steady climb since.

The natives are getting restless because they're hoping to see more consistency and quit seeing drastic changes in the game from season to season (or this season) that require different gameplans. With retirement in the near future, a lot of people are just getting tired of it. I can't say i blame them. Playing over a year in a game as inconsistent as this is just starting to take its toll on people and at the pro level it is a lot of work to have a gameplan that perhaps should've won but saw an accidental bug change outcomes drastically.


I realize this has nothing to do with my team and am not saying that it does. Hell, I've even said myself that I think the KL INTs are out of whack.

I've been involved in this game since Season 1 myself and trust me, feel the same frustrations. I guess I personally have just reached sensory overload with all of the complaining no matter where you turn in GLB, not just USA Pro Forum. It just makes putting in all of the work that is required to have a successful team not be that much fun when you're just surrounded by negativity when you come into any GLB forum.

Am I saying it's mis-guided negativity? Hell no. Bort has brought this shit on. Is the complaining baseless? No. I'm only saying that for myself it's not a lot of fun to come into forums anymore.

I've got my opinion just like y'all have yours. Honestly, neither is probably any better or more "correct" than the other.

Yea, the widespread bitchfest wasn't happening quite as much in the fall. I don't really think it's going to get better though. I think people were just expecting more consistency, transparency, realism, balance, etc... after over a year.

It's hard to seem optimistic about the future of the sim as well when you see accidents like this happen just by trying to fix one aspect of the sim. I'd feel more hopeful if there were hired professional coders, game developers and/or dedicated testers (and maybe no VAs for a little bit) but i doubt that'll happen. I've retired guys in the past and probably won't really make more players. Just wait till my current high level retires and use his flex to fund the lower one's boosts till his career is over or maybe create a casual player.


It's unfortunate but i don't see it going away anytime soon. At least there will always be a monmouth getting called out thread, alcohol threads, rankings, and two teams trash talking threads to last a lifetime

Originally posted by kr0n
Originally posted by datongw

Originally posted by murgy



60 Carrying on my WR with about 8 knocked loose drops. The only drops of his season. 4 of those were picks. There's not many WRs with more carrying than 60. 70 Catching as well. Now show me a CB/LB/FS/SS with more catching than 70, or more carrying than 60 and maybe you have an argument. Why arent these DBs/LBs held to the same catching standards as a WR? You're one of the most ridiculous posters i've ever had to read.

This argument is pretty lame. WRs don't have to work on strength and tackling, besides, even if the DB has the same catching as the WRs, WR will still catch more passes.


I doubt any of those CB's had strength and tackling high enough to knocked loose on a WR with 70+ catching and 60+ carrying.

Point is, this isn't a build issue. It's clearly something wrong considering none of this was happening before 5/14. (KL+INT)

I was trying to follow along, but if a WR focused on Speed, Catch, & Carry... wouldn't a DB who focused on Speed, Strength, and Tackle be able to knock loose the ball a lot??? I'm thinking the CB's Tackle will be = or > the WR Carry every day b/c the WR would be naturally more Catch...
I guess the key is what triggers knock loose versus just flat out fumble.

Also, do HB's Catch & Carry weigh different than WR's? Just curious if The Tick needs too avoid teh screen and pitch plays from here on out...