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Originally posted by joemalaka
I posted a factual timeline.


It wasn't a factual timeline, the bulk of it was second hand gossip that isn't true. It has been collected by people claiming to be mods and PMing various uninvolved people to collect information.

Originally posted by joemalaka
Overreaction big time. And looking at it, come on...with the trades that happened, does it not look like there is a reason for the overreaction?

Mojo, the point was the billys actions as a member of another team have nothing to do with the Bandits save this one meaningless trade which was part of what 30 that happened across the league.

We really do have better things to do in preparing for New England than worry about this nonsense and your post was out of line towards a teammate.

Seeing as you were on your way out at the end of the season anyway it just comes off as trite to bash a 13-0 franchise by starting this thread in Oceania.

I don't see what you have to gain by bringing this up so the innocent act isn't cutting it anymore.

Originally posted by DaSaintFan
Reading this.. I'm seeing some good/bad on both sides of this argument..

Originally posted by

The truth is:

--Billy stripped a team of its players without permission. Ability to do something (as a GM) is not permission. I have the ability to beat my dog anytime I want, but I'm willing to bet even without his saying so, that I don't have his permission. - REALLY Bad move by the GM.

Originally posted by

--Billy traded some of those players (without placing them on the free market) to teams he is on. - If Mr. Valli's not the GM/owner of the Bandits, then the Bandits got no reason to be a target here. He may have made the offer to the Bandits, but they didnt' have to accept if there were questions in the trade (which at the time of the trade, it seems there weren't). If they knew that the trade wasn't supposed to happen, then there'd be an argument saying the Bandits "took advantage" of the situation.

Originally posted by

--The team in question here traded an inactive player, who has been inactive almost the entire season, for high level active players to the betterment of their team. - Can't blame the Bandits here.. they want active players for their team. If it wasn't known that the GM were gutting a team, then it's just a trade-for-a-trade.

Originally posted by

--When a player from the Bandits tried to question it, they banned him from their forum. - Assuming there were no "nasty" wordings, then this would be (IMO) a bad move by the Bandits.

Originally posted by

--That player took the allegations public as a retort. - Questionable move at best...

Originally posted by

--Billy has attempted to lie and spin the trade as "fair" because the HB was a lvl 12 (even though he has been inactive all season). - Again, see above.. if the Bandits were unaware of the "gutting" process then the Bandits owner and GMs wouldn't have a reason to question the trade.

Originally posted by

--Bandits team is now attempting to discredit the player who outed them, because they don't like being busted... - No choice but to defend themselves here.. but they have to prove they didn't know about the gutting (IMO).

Originally posted by

--Bandit's players are attempting to downplay the significance by various methods including saying it was only one player (a lie), it has minimal impact, people who bring this up are jealous (chip on shoulder nonsense), etc. - Players defending their own team, fine... but there comments are strictly that.. comments (unless they were ALL aware of the situation, which I doubt).



By their own admission the Bandits owner was aware. Billy offered him a high lvl CB for an inactive HB as a solution to some perceived roster deficiencies. If someone, who has a player on your team and is a GM on another PMs you and offers a Cb that you've been wanting for an known inactive HB, and you don't get suspicious you're just dumb.

Looks like catspaw posted my PM's on the private team forum. I am guessing with this one, because Drifter posted one little line I had in one them.

I was told posting PM's are against the rules, but I don't care if Catspaw did. I have nothing to hide. I just hope he posted his first response to me (what I saw was AFTER his 1st response).

Catspaw seems to be giving limited info out. I am 100% forth coming. I will even give someone who is trustworth access to my login for a short period to see the PM's. They got bad after the 1st response, but my 1st response had no attacks at all in it.

Originally posted by Ballbright
Originally posted by DaSaintFan

Reading this.. I'm seeing some good/bad on both sides of this argument..

Originally posted by


The truth is:

--Billy stripped a team of its players without permission. Ability to do something (as a GM) is not permission. I have the ability to beat my dog anytime I want, but I'm willing to bet even without his saying so, that I don't have his permission. - REALLY Bad move by the GM.

Originally posted by


--Billy traded some of those players (without placing them on the free market) to teams he is on. - If Mr. Valli's not the GM/owner of the Bandits, then the Bandits got no reason to be a target here. He may have made the offer to the Bandits, but they didnt' have to accept if there were questions in the trade (which at the time of the trade, it seems there weren't). If they knew that the trade wasn't supposed to happen, then there'd be an argument saying the Bandits "took advantage" of the situation.

Originally posted by


--The team in question here traded an inactive player, who has been inactive almost the entire season, for high level active players to the betterment of their team. - Can't blame the Bandits here.. they want active players for their team. If it wasn't known that the GM were gutting a team, then it's just a trade-for-a-trade.

Originally posted by


--When a player from the Bandits tried to question it, they banned him from their forum. - Assuming there were no "nasty" wordings, then this would be (IMO) a bad move by the Bandits.

Originally posted by


--That player took the allegations public as a retort. - Questionable move at best...

Originally posted by


--Billy has attempted to lie and spin the trade as "fair" because the HB was a lvl 12 (even though he has been inactive all season). - Again, see above.. if the Bandits were unaware of the "gutting" process then the Bandits owner and GMs wouldn't have a reason to question the trade.

Originally posted by


--Bandits team is now attempting to discredit the player who outed them, because they don't like being busted... - No choice but to defend themselves here.. but they have to prove they didn't know about the gutting (IMO).

Originally posted by


--Bandit's players are attempting to downplay the significance by various methods including saying it was only one player (a lie), it has minimal impact, people who bring this up are jealous (chip on shoulder nonsense), etc. - Players defending their own team, fine... but there comments are strictly that.. comments (unless they were ALL aware of the situation, which I doubt).



By their own admission the Bandits owner was aware. Billy offered him a high lvl CB for an inactive HB as a solution to some perceived roster deficiencies. If someone, who has a player on your team and is a GM on another PMs you and offers a Cb that you've been wanting for an known inactive HB, and you don't get suspicious you're just dumb.



Private team forum had a thread about needing a backup CB. So BillyVassi knew the need and used it for the teams advantage.

Originally posted by joemalaka

I never asked to be brought back to the forum. Immediately after banning I PM'ed Catspaw asking why, stating why I wrote the post....apologized if he didn't appreciate it. He didn't PM me first stating...I had to PM him. His response was an attack saying I was on special teams only. Catspaw did not try to work it out. As you stated my post was not an attack, maybe just stupid.

Overreaction big time. And looking at it, come on...with the trades that happened, does it not look like there is a reason for the overreaction?

Not really, certainly nothing to warrant a post titled "Brisbane Bandits caught up in controversy? Season tarnished? Possible collusion?" If they were colluding, why not trade for the best CB on that team? The gutted team had a lvl 14 CB. It also had plenty of other players who could've had an impact on the team

Originally posted by badkarma
Originally posted by joemalaka

Overreaction big time. And looking at it, come on...with the trades that happened, does it not look like there is a reason for the overreaction?

Mojo, the point was the billys actions as a member of another team have nothing to do with the Bandits save this one meaningless trade which was part of what 30 that happened across the league.

We really do have better things to do in preparing for New England than worry about this nonsense and your post was out of line towards a teammate.

Seeing as you were on your way out at the end of the season anyway it just comes off as trite to bash a 13-0 franchise by starting this thread in Oceania.

I don't see what you have to gain by bringing this up so the innocent act isn't cutting it anymore.


I was out at the end of the season? Says who? Where is this coming from? I have a contract through next season with the Bandits.

Originally posted by joemalaka
Looks like catspaw posted my PM's on the private team forum. I am guessing with this one, because Drifter posted one little line I had in one them.

I was told posting PM's are against the rules, but I don't care if Catspaw did. I have nothing to hide. I just hope he posted his first response to me (what I saw was AFTER his 1st response).

Catspaw seems to be giving limited info out. I am 100% forth coming. I will even give someone who is trustworth access to my login for a short period to see the PM's. They got bad after the 1st response, but my 1st response had no attacks at all in it.

Posting PMs on forums, either public or private, is completely against the TOS.

Originally posted by joemalaka

Drifter attacked my credibility without any facts. I posted a factual timeline. Drifter decided to not look at it and attack mine...taking someone else on their word.

Why is one wrong and one right?

I didn't and don't see where Drifter attacked your credibility without any facts.

Originally posted by billyvassi
Originally posted by joemalaka

I posted a factual timeline.


It wasn't a factual timeline, the bulk of it was second hand gossip that isn't true. It has been collected by people claiming to be mods and PMing various uninvolved people to collect information.


I posted the timeline of what happened. Inside the thread I posted could be debated. But the timeline of what happened is factual.

Originally posted by Ballbright

By their own admission the Bandits owner was aware. Billy offered him a high lvl CB for an inactive HB as a solution to some perceived roster deficiencies. If someone, who has a player on your team and is a GM on another PMs you and offers a Cb that you've been wanting for an known inactive HB, and you don't get suspicious you're just dumb.

Suspicious and collusion are two different things Ball.. I just can't see the Bandits owner "knowing" that the whole team was gutted in a short time. I'm not saying the Bandits' owner is totally innocent here, as they got the advantage of a "rotten" situation, but I'm not sure they're "as" guilty as you write. (Now Mr. Valli, on the other hand, no way can i see anyone defending his position in this whole fiasco).

Originally posted by billyvassi
Originally posted by Ballbright

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You depleted the prior team to build the bandits....plain and simple..

So I traded an entire team, to about 30 different teams around the league, ALLLL as a way to trade 1 CB to the Bandits? (as part of a fair trade)

LOL.

NO. all as a way to hide that one move.

I also defended billy before. My mistake
I am now against billyvasi and the bandits
I am very disappointed in you guys
you cheated

Originally posted by Ballbright
You have proven yourself to be far inferior to me in both knowledge and intellect, so to make wild statements like that, is slightly amusing to those of us who know you aren't remotely in our league.

Ahahah, you just continue to live in your own little world and ignore all the people snickering at you from across the room then. They are all wrong.

Originally posted by DaSaintFan
Originally posted by Ballbright


By their own admission the Bandits owner was aware. Billy offered him a high lvl CB for an inactive HB as a solution to some perceived roster deficiencies. If someone, who has a player on your team and is a GM on another PMs you and offers a Cb that you've been wanting for an known inactive HB, and you don't get suspicious you're just dumb.

Suspicious and collusion are two different things Ball.. I just can't see the Bandits owner "knowing" that the whole team was gutted in a short time. I'm not saying the Bandits' owner is totally innocent here, as they got the advantage of a "rotten" situation, but I'm not sure they're "as" guilty as you write. (Now Mr. Valli, on the other hand, no way can i see anyone defending his position in this whole fiasco).


What some people are thinking (this was from the two PM's from users not even involved in this thread and the ones that gave me a heads up about the trades being "fishy") is that Catspaw did know and why he so quickly banned me and benched me. Why would he so quickly do that? That is what started all this, a day before this thread even happened. People questioned my banning and benching right away..people not even on the Bandits or involved in the trades. Some knew what happened and didn't like it.

Originally posted by methomps
Originally posted by joemalaka


I never asked to be brought back to the forum. Immediately after banning I PM'ed Catspaw asking why, stating why I wrote the post....apologized if he didn't appreciate it. He didn't PM me first stating...I had to PM him. His response was an attack saying I was on special teams only. Catspaw did not try to work it out. As you stated my post was not an attack, maybe just stupid.

Overreaction big time. And looking at it, come on...with the trades that happened, does it not look like there is a reason for the overreaction?

Not really, certainly nothing to warrant a post titled "Brisbane Bandits caught up in controversy? Season tarnished? Possible collusion?" If they were colluding, why not trade for the best CB on that team? The gutted team had a lvl 14 CB. It also had plenty of other players who could've had an impact on the team

You say "they" when you should say "we" as you have a player on the Bandits too. I think it is warranted to post this, and I again commend the guy for posting it, knowing he was going to be a victim of character assassination by his teammates. Joe didn't handle it exactly the way I would've, but he did try to do things correctly.

If someone has damning proof of collusion or cheating, and nothing is being done about it, he should point it out. Joe filled in the missing pieces for those of us who had researched this before, providing more than enough evidence to show that what Billy did was wrong.

Billy contacted the Bandits about the deal, he offered a high level roster want/need, and told them to give him back an known season long inactive HB. That is the definition of collusion, and I defy anyone to try to prove otherwise.