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Originally posted by fletch03
Originally posted by Doug_Plank

Well. we do have shit on film when it comes to Hitler. And if one is feeling really froggy, can visit Auschwitz et al. Or even the Holocaust Museum in Skokie, Illinois. There is hard evidence for the holocaust that will still exist in 2000 years





Film will not be around in 2000 years. Auschwitz, Dachau, etc. will simply be ruins. Hell, even now you can go to Dachau and physically see the gas chambers, but there is no proof that they were ever used on any prisoners.

no proof my ass have you been there seeing human claw prints in cement is pretty damned indisputable in my book

I have been there. There is no proof that the gas chambers were ever used. Unless of course the tour guide and the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum are lying to me:

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In 1942, the crematorium area was constructed next to the main camp. It included the old crematorium and the new crematorium (Barrack X) with a gas chamber. There is no credible evidence that the gas chamber in Barrack X was used to murder human beings.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005214

Originally posted by fletch03
Originally posted by bruiser 1234



I do not believe in religion at all. IMO, it is completely and udderly ludicrous that someone could have walked on water. That someone could have cured a leper. That there is one supreme person/being/w/e you want to say, that can see over everyone.

Especially with the fact that Priests, Ministers w/e your religion calls them breaks the rules they are supposed to follow more than anyone else. "Thou shall not kill" yet what about the crusades? Priests raping little boys. How are you supposed to believe in someone who preaches it to you, yet does not even really follow everything they preach?


We are all sinners, just as we are all human. Unfortunately Priests, Ministers, Christians, etc, sin as well as none believers.



I am not a sinner. 100% not believing I am sinner. I cannot believe in sinning if I do not believe in a religion

Originally posted by fletch03
Originally posted by bruiser 1234

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Originally posted by bruiser 1234



Originally posted by robelder





8. Whether you believe what they say to be true doesn't mean they weren't there and they didn't give their "first hand account"

How can you give a first hand account of something that is not true?

That is like me trying to tell you that I am giving my first hand account that my roommate had sex with Jessica Alba, and I witnessed it and can tell details. Was it really my first hand account? No, it was me making up a story. You cannot give your first hand account of something that is not true.

So there first hand account of Jesus walking on water and curing a leper are not really first hand accounts if it never happened.

So if someone is arguing (like me), that none of that shit happened, then they cannot give their first hand accounts of it. They can tell me a story about it, but it is nothing more than a story if they did not actually witness it happen.

Just like some people say that Hitler didn't kill millions of Jews.

Wow, that is a horrible analogy. Hitler killed millions of Jews. There is clear evidence of that. There is no clear evidence of Jesus. The only clear evidence is written documents from 2000 years ago. What if we did not have this technology, and in 2000 years, people found the Harry Potter books? Would they believe that Harry Potter was real, and that there were wizards, witches and what not.

There are people who believe Hitler didn't kill millions of Jews. That it was propaganda from the allied country's to make Germany appear worse than they were. Even though there is evidence that millions of Jews were killed.

Just like many people don't believe that Jesus lived, or was ressurected, etc. Even though there is evidence that it happened.

But you are saying the difference in the evidence is dates. So 2000 years from now, how many more people won't believe hitler killed millions of Jews? When the only clear evidence will be written documents from 2000 years ago.



Yes I know there is people that don't believe it. The difference, there is more evidence than a written document like for Jsesu. I will refute every single piece of evidence you bring about. There was no special human being that was able to rise from the dead and walk on water and what not. If there was 1 person, there would be others that could do the same thing. It is completely ludicrous that there is one person above all others that walked on this Earth and did all he supposedly did. There is a SHIT ton of evidence that prove the bible wrong, like the biggest of all, the age of the planet Earth.

Prove it.

Ok, I just have to respond to something someone said awhile back. I'm not going to argue whether or not Christianity is true, I just want to say something about the Bible. A couple people said that the Bible was just written by one guy with a nice imagination, and that has got to be one of the most ignorant things a person can say. I've taken classes studying the literature of the Bible, and if it was just written by a single person a couple thousand years ago that class would have been much easier, but that's not the case.

Whether or not you believe in God, the fact is that archaeologists, and historians have confirmed that many of the people, places, and events recorded in the Bible are true. This comes from texts and artifacts outside of the Bible, and actually some ancient cities, lost for thousands of years, have been discovered by using descriptions in the Bible to locate them, and sure enough they were right there where the Bible said they would be. For a person to have made up everything in the Bible, they would need to have been nearly omniscient to know the existence of people and places that had not been discovered yet. So the historical accuracy of the Bible is very solid.

It just bugs me to hear people say that it was made up. That would be like someone saying that maps of the world were just made up by someone with a good imagination. We can go back and see the cites, and read documents and histories about rulers that the Bible makes references to. Just like we have cartographers and then satellites to show us what the world looks like.

There are plenty of things in the Bible that have not been authenticated, but they are mixed right in there with things have only been proven within the last 10-20 years. So if you are going to ridicule the Bible, at least make a better case than "uh... it was just written by some dude with a good imagination". I could say the same thing about maps of the world, but then we would both look like ignorant fools.

Originally posted by The Walrus
Ok, I just have to respond to something someone said awhile back. I'm not going to argue whether or not Christianity is true, I just want to say something about the Bible. A couple people said that the Bible was just written by one guy with a nice imagination, and that has got to be one of the most ignorant things a person can say. I've taken classes studying the literature of the Bible, and if it was just written by a single person a couple thousand years ago that class would have been much easier, but that's not the case.

Whether or not you believe in God, the fact is that archaeologists, and historians have confirmed that many of the people, places, and events recorded in the Bible are true. This comes from texts and artifacts outside of the Bible, and actually some ancient cities, lost for thousands of years, have been discovered by using descriptions in the Bible to locate them, and sure enough they were right there where the Bible said they would be. For a person to have made up everything in the Bible, they would need to have been nearly omniscient to know the existence of people and places that had not been discovered yet. So the historical accuracy of the Bible is very solid.

It just bugs me to hear people say that it was made up. That would be like someone saying that maps of the world were just made up by someone with a good imagination. We can go back and see the cites, and read documents and histories about rulers that the Bible makes references to. Just like we have cartographers and then satellites to show us what the world looks like.

There are plenty of things in the Bible that have not been authenticated, but they are mixed right in there with things have only been proved within the last 10-20 years. So if you are going to ridicule the Bible, at least make a better case than "uh... it was just written by some dude with a good imagination". I could say the same thing about maps of the world, but then we would both look like ignorant fools.

That however only makes it historically possible not necessarily accurate. We are not arguing about the religion itself and you should not take offense to it. We are only arguing about whether or not it is a true firsthand document. Which due to the time between the occurences and the writing of some parts of the bible, it cannot be considered a perfectly accurate document.

Originally posted by The Walrus
Ok, I just have to respond to something someone said awhile back. I'm not going to argue whether or not Christianity is true, I just want to say something about the Bible. A couple people said that the Bible was just written by one guy with a nice imagination, and that has got to be one of the most ignorant things a person can say. I've taken classes studying the literature of the Bible, and if it was just written by a single person a couple thousand years ago that class would have been much easier, but that's not the case.

Whether or not you believe in God, the fact is that archaeologists, and historians have confirmed that many of the people, places, and events recorded in the Bible are true. This comes from texts and artifacts outside of the Bible, and actually some ancient cities, lost for thousands of years, have been discovered by using descriptions in the Bible to locate them, and sure enough they were right there where the Bible said they would be. For a person to have made up everything in the Bible, they would need to have been nearly omniscient to know the existence of people and places that had not been discovered yet. So the historical accuracy of the Bible is very solid.

It just bugs me to hear people say that it was made up. That would be like someone saying that maps of the world were just made up by someone with a good imagination. We can go back and see the cites, and read documents and histories about rulers that the Bible makes references to. Just like we have cartographers and then satellites to show us what the world looks like.

There are plenty of things in the Bible that have not been authenticated, but they are mixed right in there with things have only been proved within the last 10-20 years. So if you are going to ridicule the Bible, at least make a better case than "uh... it was just written by some dude with a good imagination". I could say the same thing about maps of the world, but then we would both look like ignorant fools.

You are obviously talking about my post. Before you decided to call me ignorant and accuse me of ridiculing the Bible did you even read it? I asked the question did anyone think the Bible was written by someone with one hell of an imagination. You have to admit someone turning water into wine, walking on water ect. It raining and flooding the earth but 1 man builds a huge boat and gets all the animals on earth to climb aboard is a little far fetched.

If it helps you sleep better at night to think when you die you will live on in heaven, good for you. Just because I choose to question religion doesn't make me ignorant.

I'm not calling you ignorant for questioning God, I think it is a mistake to think that the Bible could have been written by one person with an imagination. That is all I was saying.

Originally posted by bruiser 1234
Originally posted by fletch03

Originally posted by bruiser 1234




I do not believe in religion at all. IMO, it is completely and udderly ludicrous that someone could have walked on water. That someone could have cured a leper. That there is one supreme person/being/w/e you want to say, that can see over everyone.

Especially with the fact that Priests, Ministers w/e your religion calls them breaks the rules they are supposed to follow more than anyone else. "Thou shall not kill" yet what about the crusades? Priests raping little boys. How are you supposed to believe in someone who preaches it to you, yet does not even really follow everything they preach?


We are all sinners, just as we are all human. Unfortunately Priests, Ministers, Christians, etc, sin as well as none believers.



I am not a sinner. 100% not believing I am sinner. I cannot believe in sinning if I do not believe in a religion

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First-Hand Documents exist from Holocaust Survivors & Mass Graves speak volumes.
Comparing the 2 is ignorant @ the least.

Did Jesus exist? Maybe, I just think it's funny that the "story" of the Bible, was around a long time before it became the Best Selling Book of all time. Not just in one religion, but, multiple.
I would like to offer Osiris to the argument.
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Virgin Birth, walking on water, miracles, 12 dudes......crucifixion.
If you want to get your Faith dented, go read how your "Savior" is a COPYCAT.

Just got back from church and GOD IS GREAT! AMEN!!!

Jesus was an excellent Buddhist, not certain his legend resembles much of what passes for Christians these days.

I like cake.

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