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Welsh76
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Originally posted by bluto
Well...i read the thread that they linked to see their side of the arguement.

Problems with their arguement (for me anyways) are:

i) since when do you have to play against players from the same build date?
ii) since you boosted, you technically aren't a super-slow build, so the comparison is moot.
iii) i haven't seen anyone give a valid reason why your CB isn't a solid build

They have a validpoint about other players from the same build date start getting VP before you? A bit, yes. However, your player's higher attributes should more than make up for the few % points that they'll be ahead in VP.

So, imo, keep it up.


If you're comparing a players development you have to take it from the same start date. The point about the start date is simply to reference that those created before have less development time left in them.

UnderDogs players aren't that far behind the curve, but they are still behind it. The other guy (can't remember his name) is so far behind the curve he probably can't even see it anymore!
 
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Originally posted by Welsh76
Originally posted by bluto

Well...i read the thread that they linked to see their side of the arguement.

Problems with their arguement (for me anyways) are:

i) since when do you have to play against players from the same build date?
ii) since you boosted, you technically aren't a super-slow build, so the comparison is moot.
iii) i haven't seen anyone give a valid reason why your CB isn't a solid build

They have a validpoint about other players from the same build date start getting VP before you? A bit, yes. However, your player's higher attributes should more than make up for the few % points that they'll be ahead in VP.

So, imo, keep it up.


If you're comparing a players development you have to take it from the same start date. The point about the start date is simply to reference that those created before have less development time left in them.

UnderDogs players aren't that far behind the curve, but they are still behind it. The other guy (can't remember his name) is so far behind the curve he probably can't even see it anymore!



Yeah, in terms of playing in a higher league, UnderDogs' CB is a little behind the curve... but in terms of on field success, i'd bet that he'd be well ahead of it.

So it comes down to how you'd measure success:
1) a stat monster who ruins players of comparable level but gets to the highest league a bit slower than some players "born" on the same date
or
2) a player who eventually will be positioned to have a season or two more in the highest leagues but didn't have as strong a run on the way and maybe doesn't have as great attributes when he arrives.

imo, i'd take door number 1
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Underdawg08
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Don't worry about it Bluto. He is just hating. He doesn't want to do this himself. He never has. So rather than give something a chance, or even try it. He will just poke sticks at it, to see if it responds.

I wouldn't consider my guy a true super slow build, he was created in the middle of season 6, he didn't play a game all through the rest of season 6 or season 7. But he is playing now in season 8. I don't know what you would consider it? Super slow build with end of season boosts I guess.
 
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Don't worry about it Bluto. He is just hating. He doesn't want to do this himself. He never has. So rather than give something a chance, or even try it. He will just poke sticks at it, to see if it responds.

I wouldn't consider my guy a true super slow build, he was created in the middle of season 6, he didn't play a game all through the rest of season 6 or season 7. But he is playing now in season 8. I don't know what you would consider it? Super slow build with end of season boosts I guess.


Not a slow build...not a super-slow build...

a slower build?
 
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Originally posted by bluto


Yeah, in terms of playing in a higher league, UnderDogs' CB is a little behind the curve... but in terms of on field success, i'd bet that he'd be well ahead of it.

So it comes down to how you'd measure success:
1) a stat monster who ruins players of comparable level but gets to the highest league a bit slower than some players "born" on the same date
or
2) a player who eventually will be positioned to have a season or two more in the highest leagues but didn't have as strong a run on the way and maybe doesn't have as great attributes when he arrives.

imo, i'd take door number 1


If you would rather take option #1 then yes, super slow building or something related is perfect for you. I personally want my player to be the best he can possibly be and compete at the highest level. Super Slow building does not allow a player to do this, and this is what everyone is trying to argue. Nobody with any sense will try and argue that super slow building doesn't allow for players to be the best for their level, But come seasons 9 and 10, when he is playing against other CBs who were well built to maximize their players potentials, he will not be able to compete with them. That is, if he even decides to play with them. If his strategy is to dominate the lower levels he may choose to stay in BBB where he can be the best ever.
 
Djinnt
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Make players for option 1 and option 2 imo.
Don't discriminate against either because it's stupid to say one is better or worse.
"My way is right and yours isn't!"
 
Welsh76
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Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
Make players for option 1 and option 2 imo.
Don't discriminate against either because it's stupid to say one is better or worse.
"My way is right and yours isn't!"


Your method is stupid, I have no problem telling you that. You created players at the start of season 5 and you've already said they won't be put on a team for maybe 2 more seasons, which will give them just 5 seasons of game XP; that is not long enough to develop them into players that will compete at the highest level.

Do you realise that players have a finite career? The question is rhetorical.

p.s. You may want to join in the debate: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2206562&page=1#18470110

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Djinnt
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Players do not have a finite career.
They have a point in their career after which their attributes diminish each level instead of seeing gains. it's been said that "eventually" the losses outweigh the gains you see from your player leveling.

My actual answer to this however is yes, and I also do not care.
As you can see, these are not my only players. I'm not limited to them. They weren't my first, and they won't be my last. Not every player has to be in the Pros. Furthermore, most won't ever be... There's a limit to players on a team (if you want playing time), and the amount of players in this game is basically endless when it comes to recruiting for the few leagues you're referencing.


Edit: Those players will be active in season 9 fyi. They'll be part of a team with an entire SSB defense too, including the backups.
Which means 6 seasons of untouched play. And I knew this BEFORE I made them, so trust me, you're not bringing anything to the table.
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butler312
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Hey, if you want to build a player to dominate at the lower levels at the expense of never being good in the pros, go for it. I don't have a problem with anyone doing that, its fine by me. It's your choice, and neither is wrong. I'm just trying to make the point that this type of player will not be as good as other players at the end of their career when they are playing at upper levels, because if I'm understanding UnderDogs correctly he thinks they will be better. And this really isn't a debatable topic. I'm not stating my opinion on this, people have done research and it is proven fact that these players won't be as good when compared to players the same age as them.
 
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No dongage will be in the pros in a couple of seasons. let's see how "bad" he is for never making it there.
 
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Originally posted by butler312
Hey, if you want to build a player to dominate at the lower levels at the expense of never being good in the pros, go for it. I don't have a problem with anyone doing that, its fine by me. It's your choice, and neither is wrong. I'm just trying to make the point that this type of player will not be as good as other players at the end of their career when they are playing at upper levels, because if I'm understanding UnderDogs correctly he thinks they will be better. And this really isn't a debatable topic. I'm not stating my opinion on this, people have done research and it is proven fact that these players won't be as good when compared to players the same age as them.


the goal isnt to be good at the upper levels, its to be good at lower level capped leagues and slightly above that. getting to the upper levels after slower building for a couple seasons is an unrealistic goal. They just want to be good for a couple of seasons.
 
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Originally posted by butler312
Hey, if you want to build a player to dominate at the lower levels at the expense of never being good in the pros, go for it. I don't have a problem with anyone doing that, its fine by me. It's your choice, and neither is wrong. I'm just trying to make the point that this type of player will not be as good as other players at the end of their career when they are playing at upper levels, because if I'm understanding UnderDogs correctly he thinks they will be better. And this really isn't a debatable topic. I'm not stating my opinion on this, people have done research and it is proven fact that these players won't be as good when compared to players the same age as them.


I believe it is not age that they are looking at, but rather level. A slow built player will have a better attribute base than somebody who boosted to that level. That cannot be denied, however they will never mature to the levels of the players who boost giving the boosters an advantage. With the addition of endorsements you will see more players being slow built to take advantage of this at lower levels. I applaud people who can slow build or keep players off teams. I can't do it. I need to have them playing and be their best right away.

By the way here is my CB. I'm not saying he is the best, he just is playing very well. Check out his last game.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1049727

 
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http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=760792
 
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Originally posted by zomgmike
Originally posted by butler312

Hey, if you want to build a player to dominate at the lower levels at the expense of never being good in the pros, go for it. I don't have a problem with anyone doing that, its fine by me. It's your choice, and neither is wrong. I'm just trying to make the point that this type of player will not be as good as other players at the end of their career when they are playing at upper levels, because if I'm understanding UnderDogs correctly he thinks they will be better. And this really isn't a debatable topic. I'm not stating my opinion on this, people have done research and it is proven fact that these players won't be as good when compared to players the same age as them.


the goal isnt to be good at the upper levels, its to be good at lower level capped leagues and slightly above that. getting to the upper levels after slower building for a couple seasons is an unrealistic goal. They just want to be good for a couple of seasons.


That is what most people want, yes. But Underdogs is claiming his super slow build player will be better in the pros that any other type of build. This is what started this argument.
 
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With the addition of VA's it makes super slow building an even worse choice, the sooner you get to level 25 the better.
 
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