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doubletree
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Originally posted by Meatdawg
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Originally posted by Meatdawg


Originally posted by doubletree



This probably isn't a huge difference maker but I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread.

Its hard to calculate by how much but it was mentioned earlier that regular equipment can give you lets say 100 agility (71 base + 29 equipment) and AE can also give you 100 agility (68 base + 32 equipment). Regular equipment gives you the opportunity to use the BT's on SP's to raise that category. Thus 100 agility with regular equipment>100 agility with AE equipment because having the higher base will raise the effectiveness of SA's and also give a little bit more from VA's (not much but .45 more). Add in the fact that intense training>regular training and 100 agility with reg equip is definitely better than 100 agility with AE.

The +SA modifiers or % modifiers do make the piece of equipment better, but at what point does searching for the right piece of equipment outweigh the benefit of having AE.

I think we can all agree that if you got the perfect piece of equipment the first time you went shopping then AE>regular equip. Someone should do some math and figure out after how long of having to train on normal and shop is AE no longer worth it (assuming you hold out for a +3 stat +1 SA/+% piece of AE).



Why does it have to be 68 base on AE and 71 base on normal. Why cant it be 71 base on both, and thus 103 > 100


I'm not positive, but I think the difference between 68 and 71 may have been made up by getting the skill points from the temporary token boosts.



Unless you are straight caping something to 68, you can achieve both if you manage your player well. Save your BT for AE but at the same time, when you can rach a cap a level earlier to gain the bonus from a natural level gain, use it.

This is the most efficent way to build.



Those extra skill points from BT go somewhere and they would allow you to have a higher base, whether its 71 base to 68 or 77 base to 74 base.
 
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Originally posted by doubletree
Originally posted by Meatdawg

Originally posted by nflcardholder


Originally posted by Meatdawg



Originally posted by doubletree




This probably isn't a huge difference maker but I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread.

Its hard to calculate by how much but it was mentioned earlier that regular equipment can give you lets say 100 agility (71 base + 29 equipment) and AE can also give you 100 agility (68 base + 32 equipment). Regular equipment gives you the opportunity to use the BT's on SP's to raise that category. Thus 100 agility with regular equipment>100 agility with AE equipment because having the higher base will raise the effectiveness of SA's and also give a little bit more from VA's (not much but .45 more). Add in the fact that intense training>regular training and 100 agility with reg equip is definitely better than 100 agility with AE.

The +SA modifiers or % modifiers do make the piece of equipment better, but at what point does searching for the right piece of equipment outweigh the benefit of having AE.

I think we can all agree that if you got the perfect piece of equipment the first time you went shopping then AE>regular equip. Someone should do some math and figure out after how long of having to train on normal and shop is AE no longer worth it (assuming you hold out for a +3 stat +1 SA/+% piece of AE).



Why does it have to be 68 base on AE and 71 base on normal. Why cant it be 71 base on both, and thus 103 > 100


I'm not positive, but I think the difference between 68 and 71 may have been made up by getting the skill points from the temporary token boosts.



Unless you are straight caping something to 68, you can achieve both if you manage your player well. Save your BT for AE but at the same time, when you can rach a cap a level earlier to gain the bonus from a natural level gain, use it.

This is the most efficent way to build.



Those extra skill points from BT go somewhere and they would allow you to have a higher base, whether its 71 base to 68 or 77 base to 74 base.


You are basically equating the difference to 3 sp, and forgetting the +SA and any +%. Dont forget that any gain you get in going from 74 to 77 per say, you would still need to come up with points to increase the SA.

12 points to go from 68 to 71

or

13 points taking a sa from 6 to 9
 
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The real negative to AQ is the searching and Randomness to it... if there was a way to just purchase the Equipment or unlock it, it would be much better.
 
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Originally posted by Kellysmash
The real negative to AQ is the searching and Randomness to it... if there was a way to just purchase the Equipment or unlock it, it would be much better.


I agree 100%.

It needs to be reworked somewhat to allow for more flexibility in chooising.

It could be like shopping in WoW for example, equipment has level/attribuite requirments and the better peices take more shopping tokens to purchase.
 
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Hum, is it possible to shop a +3 stat and +1 SA on level 1?
 
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Originally posted by AF_Medic
I have a question, I didn't see it addressed before.

I have an AE with an SA that dosn't go to that position. for example LB with a +2 SA in first step. Since it's not in a LB's normal SA's will it be useful?


I have a LB who has a +First Step and +3% Break Block chance on it...fully upgraded to his level now so +3 first step and +13% break block chance with +5 in attributes. Has worked great for him. Also, FWIW, never saved BTs during development and only shopped 2x to find this and that was around L24 with 0 BTs stored up. So, from L24 to now (L33) he has managed to save enough to get it upgraded fully. Which is why I don't really see why it's such a big deal to save/store BTs from L1 on. Guess if the plan is to have 2 AE pieces that would be fine. But, if planning on just one piece, it makes much more sense to just use the early BTs for capping than it does to hoard away for some future great piece, IMO.

Also had a WR start shopping at L27 and now at 40 he has his AE piece fully upgraded too. No need to start so soon.
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I personally prefer to equip all my young guys with two pieces.
 
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I'm planning on two pieces for my linebacker (lvl 18). I haven't shopped very many times, probably like 5 or 6 times so far to just find a decent enough piece to buy (+SA). Right now I have + closing step w/ no + to attribute, and I also have +shutdown coverage +2 vision (this piece I might use for my entire career. I believe having the extra SA is worth not capping something at a higher level, or maybe a level sooner.
 
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nice find with the shutdown coverage +2 vision piece
 
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at lvl 18, I'm shocked I found something that good. It expensive too, $85500.
 
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the expense is a burden. But it's well worth it. The equipment store is the one place you get what you pay for.
 
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Originally posted by nflcardholder
the expense is a burden. But it's well worth it. The equipment store is the one place you get what you pay for.


I lucked out early last season, and of the 4 pieces, found 2 force fumble pieces for my now L17 LB ASAP, one based on agil, the other speed, combined with high tkl/str and hard-hitter SAs, and MLB hunter-vision tackle to-tackle, when Bort decides to favour FFs a little more, guess whos gonna be forcing turnovers and making damage?
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Black Peter
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Curious how hard is it to keep 2 AE pieces upgraded to their max level. Never tried. I generally find one good one and stick with it.
 
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I think if you start early, and [ahem] dont believe in boosting for games [ahem] keeping two pieces works out just fine, and a third takes until L40s to switch up.... I "think"
 
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Originally posted by Toriq
Curious how hard is it to keep 2 AE pieces upgraded to their max level. Never tried. I generally find one good one and stick with it.


It's doable. But for the first few seasons of your players career you cant keep up. But once you get higher in level and leveling slows down you can catch the other piece up. You gain 16 BTs a season (more when we get to train during the offseason too) and once you hit high levels you only gain 5.5 levels per season (assuming you boost). So for the back half of your players career you should be able to keep up on both.
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