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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Shelby Delby

Originally posted by BiggerBlue


Shelby,

Without seeing your player's build, and the success of other DEs, I am leaning towards the guess that you simply have a horrible build.


my build, imo, is the agility-build target that many among us were shooting for.

agility mid 90's
speed 3rd cap
strength 2nd cap
vision, tackling, stamina all at or pretty much at 1st cap
SAs are 63671

What would you do to improve that?

You probably should of spend the sp's in tackling into things like change direction, shed block, and more t.v.

my season 8 boost was earmarked for SAs. more tackling isn't likely to help me since i rarely get tackles anymore and when i do, i don't miss them.

Originally posted by Shelby Delby
my season 8 boost was earmarked for SAs. more tackling isn't likely to help me since i rarely get tackles anymore and when i do, i don't miss them.

Tackling is pretty much the last thing a sack specialist D.E. should focus on.

Originally posted by Shelby Delby
Originally posted by BiggerBlue

Shelby,

Without seeing your player's build, and the success of other DEs, I am leaning towards the guess that you simply have a horrible build.


my build, imo, is the agility-build target that many among us were shooting for.

agility mid 90's
speed 3rd cap
strength 2nd cap
vision, tackling, stamina all at or pretty much at 1st cap
SAs are 63671
VA 10 in quick

What would you do to improve that?


Get your FS up to 7-8, get your TV up to 9-10. Do NOT waste any on CD or SB unless you have to.

More speed

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Shelby Delby

my season 8 boost was earmarked for SAs. more tackling isn't likely to help me since i rarely get tackles anymore and when i do, i don't miss them.

Tackling is pretty much the last thing a sack specialist D.E. should focus on.



Please don't waste anymore on tackling. My DE is at 39-41 forever and I never had any problems tackling.

Originally posted by BiggerBlue
Originally posted by Shelby Delby

Originally posted by BiggerBlue


Shelby,

Without seeing your player's build, and the success of other DEs, I am leaning towards the guess that you simply have a horrible build.


my build, imo, is the agility-build target that many among us were shooting for.

agility mid 90's
speed 3rd cap
strength 2nd cap
vision, tackling, stamina all at or pretty much at 1st cap
SAs are 63671
VA 10 in quick

What would you do to improve that?


Get your FS up to 7-8, get your TV up to 9-10. Do NOT waste any on CD or SB unless you have to.

More speed




with mid 90's agility, FS becoimes much less important. he already comes o the line as though he was shot out of a cannon. SB and TV are the next target.(i'm guessing that FS was very key to your own speed-build DE)
as for more speed, with lvl 40 equip next season he'll be into the mid 70's. not blazing fast, but a DE with 95 agility/70 spd gets to QBs faster than 95 spd/70 agi...
either way, neither build works this year. hence this whole thread.

Originally posted by Shelby Delby
Originally posted by BiggerBlue

Originally posted by Shelby Delby


Originally posted by BiggerBlue



Shelby,

Without seeing your player's build, and the success of other DEs, I am leaning towards the guess that you simply have a horrible build.


my build, imo, is the agility-build target that many among us were shooting for.

agility mid 90's
speed 3rd cap
strength 2nd cap
vision, tackling, stamina all at or pretty much at 1st cap
SAs are 63671
VA 10 in quick

What would you do to improve that?


Get your FS up to 7-8, get your TV up to 9-10. Do NOT waste any on CD or SB unless you have to.

More speed




with mid 90's agility, FS becoimes much less important. he already comes o the line as though he was shot out of a cannon. SB and TV are the next target.(i'm guessing that FS was very key to your own speed-build DE)
as for more speed, with lvl 40 equip next season he'll be into the mid 70's. not blazing fast, but a DE with 95 agility/70 spd gets to QBs faster than 95 spd/70 agi...
either way, neither build works this year. hence this whole thread.




Still say you need to figure out what's wrong with your build. My DE has no problem racking up sacks after the "fix"

It is not true 70spd/95agi is faster than 95spd/70agi. I know the Wiki says you need high agility to run at full speed, but I've had enough empirical data and experience as DC for many seasons that super spd DE still beats super agi DE anyday. Your agi can't lag too far behind, but generally high-spd beats high-agi anyday.

You really have to stop saying your DE has no problems racking up sacks after the "fix"

The two games you've played since this so-called "fix" were both gutted teams and blowouts.

Let's be a little more patient before we're so quick to try and validate ourselves.

With that said... yes... speed builds > agi builds.

Originally posted by DLight03
.With that said... yes... speed builds < agi builds.

fixed

LOL

Originally posted by DLight03
You really have to stop saying your DE has no problems racking up sacks after the "fix"

The two games you've played since this so-called "fix" were both gutted teams and blowouts.

Let's be a little more patient before we're so quick to try and validate ourselves.

With that said... yes... speed builds > agi builds.

Learn how to evaluate completely not partially. Notice the game before the 2 blow-outs. The one I had 3 sacks? That's against almost even competition (the LOT is lvl 34), that was the week the "fix" was said to be implemented. 3 sacks against even competition looks good to me.

Yes it's one game, but compared to the beginning of the season when my DE just seems to stood there? Big improvement.

I have been building DEs since season 1, I know DEs.

Sorry BB, DLight is right.

Your 3 sack game was against an OT with an open build...he had 25 spd.

So...14 sacks against gutteds...3 sacks against a guy who couldn't beat Oprah in a foot race.

No diserespect intended...but data prooves you wrong on this count.

Oprah actually runs a 4.5 40.

Originally posted by Redrover
Oprah actually runs a 4.5 40.

Only down hill with the wind and a box of Krispy Kreme's waiting for her at the finish line...

i remember when OTs all had 25 speed...good times...good times...

Seriously though, what Shelby said was a point that needs to be addressed:

Why does an OT having 25 more strength than you and 90 blocking overpower you completely (presuming his speed and agility are 40+)...

...and yet having 40 or more points greater than him in speed and agility is no advantage at all. (presuming that the DE in question is well rounded like it sounds like most DEs in this thread are)