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skel1977
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I just bumped juke to 7. Had probably the best game of the season so far tonight. Too hard to tell from one game but it seemed to have a positive effect. Are any of these jukes?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=215896&pbp_id=8123954

Juke on the lb?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=215896&pbp_id=8126563

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=215896&pbp_id=8129005
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Underdawg08
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Originally posted by skel1977
I just bumped juke to 7. Had probably the best game of the season so far tonight. Too hard to tell from one game but it seemed to have a positive effect. Are any of these jukes?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=215896&pbp_id=8123954

Juke on the lb?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=215896&pbp_id=8126563

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=215896&pbp_id=8129005


second one looks more like a Q.C. and the third one looks like a juke behind the L.O.S. lol. Thanks for putting that out there. I am at 5 juke and still debating whether or not to add more to it. Your guy looks more shifty.
 
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Originally posted by VladtheImpaler1
If you actually think about it, the probability that Quick-Cut affects Juke in any way is nill. Do you really think they'd program the depth of SA's that far?! LoL No.


Well the way Quick Cut is worded, it sounds like it works every time you make a cut. I don't think it has to "fire" at all.
 
skel1977
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by skel1977

I just bumped juke to 7. Had probably the best game of the season so far tonight. Too hard to tell from one game but it seemed to have a positive effect. Are any of these jukes?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=215896&pbp_id=8123954

Juke on the lb?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=215896&pbp_id=8126563

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=215896&pbp_id=8129005


second one looks more like a Q.C. and the third one looks like a juke behind the L.O.S. lol. Thanks for putting that out there. I am at 5 juke and still debating whether or not to add more to it. Your guy looks more shifty.


So I hear you helped my team owner fix his AI. He said I have to be nice to you now
 
Underdawg08
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Originally posted by skel1977
Originally posted by UnderDogs

Originally posted by skel1977


I just bumped juke to 7. Had probably the best game of the season so far tonight. Too hard to tell from one game but it seemed to have a positive effect. Are any of these jukes?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=215896&pbp_id=8123954

Juke on the lb?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=215896&pbp_id=8126563

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=215896&pbp_id=8129005


second one looks more like a Q.C. and the third one looks like a juke behind the L.O.S. lol. Thanks for putting that out there. I am at 5 juke and still debating whether or not to add more to it. Your guy looks more shifty.


So I hear you helped my team owner fix his AI. He said I have to be nice to you now


LoL that guy was your owner? what a small world.
 
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by skel1977

Originally posted by UnderDogs


Originally posted by skel1977



I just bumped juke to 7. Had probably the best game of the season so far tonight. Too hard to tell from one game but it seemed to have a positive effect. Are any of these jukes?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=215896&pbp_id=8123954

Juke on the lb?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=215896&pbp_id=8126563

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=215896&pbp_id=8129005


second one looks more like a Q.C. and the third one looks like a juke behind the L.O.S. lol. Thanks for putting that out there. I am at 5 juke and still debating whether or not to add more to it. Your guy looks more shifty.


So I hear you helped my team owner fix his AI. He said I have to be nice to you now


LoL that guy was your owner? what a small world.


yeah hes like your buddy underdogs helped me fix my ai. I help D coordinate for his team.
 
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Good thing the help came after the Oakland-Spicewood game.
 
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Originally posted by LarryB
Good thing the help came after the Oakland-Spicewood game.


 
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i'm not a big fan of my "elusive" hb

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=476868

he's got SAs 4-3-4-9-6, 77 agility. he has AE with juke on it, thats why he has 9 in juke and only 4 in first step. he used to have all equipment in agility but he was too slow to avoid anything before the entire defense was on top of him

i search a lot of his runs looking for a circle-ish movement, but i havent ever seen anything that i would call a spin. and i sure as hell dont break tackles with it. 11 broken tackles all season

as for jukes, it's hard to tell if my guy changed direction because his vision had a tick to readjust twice fairly quickly or if the whole move was a juke. there was that post somewhere that tpaterniti (it was just yesterday that i saw it, wish i could find it again) made that said the difference between elusive/combo/power was how many ticks would go by before your HB adjusts his path. if elusive is making me readjust every 3 ticks, it could very easily appear to be a juke if he just did a natural readjustment in 2 directions back to back.

so, i switched to combo in this game so that i could know if i saw a quick move, it would be juke, not his natural tactics. i suppose i could try power next to reduce even further the chance of seeing a quick, natural back and forth move.

heres a play where it looks like the LB freezes for a fake and hes got an open build so you can see he only has 33 vision.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=238886&pbp_id=8170581
i assume it was my 3 points in head fake since my guy didnt change direction or even slow down.
or a possible theory: is juke just something that happens but doesnt necessarily move your dot(like head fake)? we'll never know unless bort tells us that one

check this one out for what looks like 2 quick moves right on the los. he's running combo tactics in this game, so i'm assuming the moves happen faster than a natural adjustment would happen.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=238886&pbp_id=8171532

or this one right before he gets tackled, he does a zig then a zag
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=238886&pbp_id=8171541

right on the los for this one, he makes a clear step to the right then left to go around the LB. juke maybe?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=238886&pbp_id=8171552
 
Baloney Pony
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Monsterkill you need a heap more speed into your guy...check my guy move
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=232971&pbp_id=8340822
He jukes well all the time...best SA for a HB
 
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Originally posted by balony_pony16
Monsterkill you need a heap more speed into your guy...check my guy move
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=232971&pbp_id=8340822
He jukes well all the time...best SA for a HB


i agree completely. and every SP from now on will be going to speed

he started as an experiment to raise lots of agility/juke/spin. just this season i started trying to convert his gear to speed but it's not finished, if i was mr. moneybags i could add another 4 speed just in equipment.

starting some new HBs now where i go much more heavily into speed and quick cut (wassup, rolling 20 speed on day 1 for both of them!)
Last edited Dec 4, 2008 06:02:22
 
monsterkill
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Originally posted by balony_pony16
Monsterkill you need a heap more speed into your guy...check my guy move
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=232971&pbp_id=8340822
He jukes well all the time...best SA for a HB


whats your agility/juke at?
 
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speed 90, agility 61, juke 7
 
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Speed and agility are key before spending on any SA
 
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Originally posted by Viscount
Originally posted by UnderDogs

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=222524&pbp_id=6855205

there was like 5 jukes in this play! then he spun off the f.s. at the end. and he stiff armed his MOM!!

too bad he has ZERO s.a's

Looking at his stats, much better HB than Ladell Betts imo.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=222557

Wrong again. this is what happens in hostile environments. I still produce.
Tank you come agang!
 
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