Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Originally posted by TrevJo

Yeah, when the former Big 12 team finishes their conference-veterans schedule an earth-shattering 4-3 without having played 2 of the conference's 5 teams that are top 8 in the BCS, that will really prove the greatness of the Big 12.

Assuming A&M finishes their season losing to Bama and beating Mizzou, that 4-3 conference record will be better than most of the seasons they spent in the Big 12. In playing their way to that record, they will also have steamrolled three of those amazing SEC defenses--Ark, Aub, and Miss St. This with a freshman QB and a new coaching staff.

As for those other two teams in the top 8 of the BCS, here are their OOC schedules:
Georgia:
1. Buffalo
2. Florida Atlantic
3. Georgia South (wtf?)
4. Georgia Tech (terrible this season)

SoCar:
1. East Carolina
2. UAB
3. Wofford (wtf?)
4. Clemson (finally a good team, but game not yet played)

Looking through every SEC team's schedule, I only found 4 OOC games against decent opponents:
1. Auburn losing to Clemson
2. Kentucky getting steamrolled by Louisville
3. Ole Miss getting steamrolled by Texas
4. Bama steamrolling a vastly overrated Michigan team

So we really have no idea how to actually judge those SEC teams you're touting except by looking at how they perform versus a team like A&M and 4 lulzy OOC games. Well A&M is doing better with a freshman QB against those amazing SEC teams than they did with a senior first round draft pick against the Big 12. Two of your SEC teams got steam rolled in their OOC games against mediocre competition, a third got beat, and only the fourth, your best team, won against an overrated Michigan team. The SEC this season has one really good team in bama, a couple of possibly decent, but completely unproven teams in LSU, Fla, Georgia, SoCar, and A&M, and a bunch of crap in Ole Miss, Miss St., Arky, Kentucky, Mizzou, Auburn, and Vandy. I think we can start the overrated chants.

A&M's conference wins are against teams that are currently 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th in the division. I realize that's difficult to appreciate when you're in a conference that can't even count to 12, and is closer to having as many teams as an SEC division as they are to having as many teams as the entire conference.

A&M lost at home to Arkansas last year and blew out Arkansas on the road this year, so that is one obvious example of the teams changing from last year to this year that you conveniently ignored.

Not sure why you wasted electrons posting your opinions of Georgia's and South Carolina's non-conference opponents that they haven't even played yet. They are ranked where they are because of who they have played, not because of who they haven't.

Strength of Schedule rankings for the SEC's top 5 teams (in the BCS), per the colley matrix
Alabama: 16
Georgia: 32
Florida: 5
South Carolina: 11
LSU: 22

Strength of Schedule rankings for the Big 12's top teams (in the BCS), per the colley matrix
Kansas State: 40
Oklahoma: 23
Texas: 49
Texas Tech: 29
Oklahoma State*: 26

Talk about unproven.

Now here is something else you should consider. Statistically speaking, a 14-team conference should have better representatives at the top than a 10-team conference. Don't blame the SEC for the Big 12 Champ only having to be better than 9 other teams and not even play a conference championship game.

Here's the deal. Your argument amounts to just two things:
A. Typical, misguided whining about non-conference games
B. A hollow and thinly-disguised fallacy based on the following:
1. You hate and don't respect A&M
2. You hate and don't respect the SEC
3. Therefore you downplay A&M's ability as much as possible while overplaying A&M's few achievements so far within the SEC, and placing an extraordinary amount of emphasis on said analysis when rating the conference. lolu

*Ok St isn't actually ranked in the BCS so I'm only assuming they would be 5th.

Originally posted by TrevJo
A&M's conference wins are against teams that are currently 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th in the division. I realize that's difficult to appreciate when you're in a conference that can't even count to 12, and is closer to having as many teams as an SEC division as they are to having as many teams as the entire conference.

A&M lost at home to Arkansas last year and blew out Arkansas on the road this year, so that is one obvious example of the teams changing from last year to this year that you conveniently ignored.

Not sure why you wasted electrons posting your opinions of Georgia's and South Carolina's non-conference opponents that they haven't even played yet. They are ranked where they are because of who they have played, not because of who they haven't.

Strength of Schedule rankings for the SEC's top 5 teams (in the BCS), per the colley matrix
Alabama: 16
Georgia: 32
Florida: 5
South Carolina: 11
LSU: 22

Strength of Schedule rankings for the Big 12's top teams (in the BCS), per the colley matrix
Kansas State: 40
Oklahoma: 23
Texas: 49
Texas Tech: 29
Oklahoma State*: 26

Talk about unproven.

Now here is something else you should consider. Statistically speaking, a 14-team conference should have better representatives at the top than a 10-team conference. Don't blame the SEC for the Big 12 Champ only having to be better than 9 other teams and not even play a conference championship game.

Here's the deal. Your argument amounts to just two things:
A. Typical, misguided whining about non-conference games
B. A hollow and thinly-disguised fallacy based on the following:
1. You hate and don't respect A&M
2. You hate and don't respect the SEC
3. Therefore you downplay A&M's ability as much as possible while overplaying A&M's few achievements so far within the SEC, and placing an extraordinary amount of emphasis on said analysis when rating the conference. lolu

*Ok St isn't actually ranked in the BCS so I'm only assuming they would be 5th.

You had to go to the colley matrix because you couldn't even respond to my argument. The colley matrix is based partially upon the strength of a team's conference games based upon team rankings. For SEC teams who haven't proven themselves by playing strong OOC competition (every SEC team), those rankings are based completely upon the bias of pollsters. All you've done is proven my point that the SEC is completely unproven this season and that they are being ranked upon due to pro-SEC bias.

And bringing up the A&M/Arky games as evidence of things changing is lulzy. Arky is playing with an interim HC who the team obviously doesn't believe in, so they should be doing poorly. Also, get your facts straight. A&M lost to Arky in Dallas last year, not College Station. And really, this just proves my point even more. A&M placed 6th in the Big 12 last year with a 4-5 conference record, yet they barely lost to an 11 win Arky team that only lost two SEC games.

So now we have 2011 where A&M got beat down in the Big 12, but almost beat the 3rd best SEC team and a 2012 where A&M has entered the SEC with a freshman QB and new coaching staff, but is still competing in the SEC, including steamrolling a number of teams. All that is proof that the SEC is overrated.

If we lost to Bama and beat Missou, we will be 5-3, not 4-3. We have a new coach, new scheme, and new QB that has improved our team greatly from past years. Our record is an indication of our vast improvement as opposed to the supposed weakness of the SEC (what an idiotic statement). The SEC would not have 5 teams ranked in the top 8 if it was weak.

Let's analyze the top 6 teams of the Bevo 12, shall we?

K-State:
Miami (5-4)
Missouri St.
North Texas

Oklahoma:
UTEP
Florida A&M
Destroyed by Notre Dame at home

sips:
Wyoming
New Mexico
Ole Miss (5-4)

Okie State:
Savannah St
Destroyed by Arizona
U La La

Tech:
Northwestern St.
Texas St.
New Mexico

TCU:
Grambling St.
Virginia (3-6)
SMU

West Virginia:
Marshall
James Madison
Maryland (4-5)

That means these 6 teams played a total of 6 teams with a pulse. They were blown out in two of them, and of the remaining 4, the best records of those teams are 5-4.

Comparatively, the top 6 teams in the SEC are undefeated in non-conference, albeit against lulzy competition. That is the thing though, in the SEC you play top teams every weak, so we don't have to bolster the non-conference schedule like y'all do. The funny thing about this season is that y'all sips would be better off losing these close games. That would get DeLoss fired, Mack moved up, and then you could money whip someone to turn the ship around. Instead y'all are on a crash course to meet us in the Cotton Bowl, and when we beat the shit out of you the recruiting landscape will have fully shifted the way of A&M.

Originally posted by RayRay99
If we lost to Bama and beat Missou, we will be 5-3, not 4-3. We have a new coach, new scheme, and new QB that has improved our team greatly from past years. Our record is an indication of our vast improvement as opposed to the supposed weakness of the SEC (what an idiotic statement). The SEC would not have 5 teams ranked in the top 8 if it was weak.

Let's analyze the top 6 teams of the Bevo 12, shall we?

K-State:
Miami (5-4)
Missouri St.
North Texas

Oklahoma:
UTEP
Florida A&M
Destroyed by Notre Dame at home

sips:
Wyoming
New Mexico
Ole Miss (5-4)

Okie State:
Savannah St
Destroyed by Arizona
U La La

Tech:
Northwestern St.
Texas St.
New Mexico

TCU:
Grambling St.
Virginia (3-6)
SMU

West Virginia:
Marshall
James Madison
Maryland (4-5)

That means these 6 teams played a total of 6 teams with a pulse. They were blown out in two of them, and of the remaining 4, the best records of those teams are 5-4.

Comparatively, the top 6 teams in the SEC are undefeated in non-conference, albeit against lulzy competition. That is the thing though, in the SEC you play top teams every weak, so we don't have to bolster the non-conference schedule like y'all do. The funny thing about this season is that y'all sips would be better off losing these close games. That would get DeLoss fired, Mack moved up, and then you could money whip someone to turn the ship around. Instead y'all are on a crash course to meet us in the Cotton Bowl, and when we beat the shit out of you the recruiting landscape will have fully shifted the way of A&M.

So what you're saying is the SEC is 1-3 against decent teams and they got steamrolled in two of those games while the Big 12 is 4-2 against decent teams and against the top two teams that the Big 12 beat, they steamrolled those teams by 30+ (KSU over Miami and Texas over Ole Miss).

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
So what you're saying is the SEC is 1-3 against decent teams and they got steamrolled in two of those games while the Big 12 is 4-2 against decent teams and against the top two teams that the Big 12 beat, they steamrolled those teams by 30+ (KSU over Miami and Texas over Ole Miss).

I am looking at the top half of each conference. Every conference is going to have their weak links like Vandy, Baylor, and t.u. The top half of the SEC was undefeated in non-conference.

Originally posted by RayRay99
I am looking at the top half of each conference. Every conference is going to have their weak links like Vandy, Baylor, and t.u. The top half of the SEC was undefeated in non-conference.

And the top half of the SEC played absolutely nobody outside of Michigan. You're making my point. And I like how you squeezed UT into the 'weak links' category when we are third in the Big 12 and kicked your ass in College Station last year. The Big 12 got rid of two of its weak links when A&M and Mizzou left and we picked up WVU and TCU. The Big 12 was better top to bottom than the SEC last season and we went and upgraded with two conference champions while the SEC downgraded with two conference losers.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
kicked your ass in College Station last year.



We play each other in the SEC, that makes our schedule tougher than everyone else's by default. By the way, the SEC was 25-8 against FBS schools OOC, the Big 12 was 17-4. Looks like y'all are the ones who schedule the sisters of the poor. A&M is a "weak link", and the "upgrades" are a combined 5-6 in conference play. A&M is all over the media for their great season and the emergence of Johnny Football, while the only press the sips are getting is Mack complaining about the Longhorn Network and having to score in the waning seconds to beat Kansas.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
You had to go to the colley matrix because you couldn't even respond to my argument. The colley matrix is based partially upon the strength of a team's conference games based upon team rankings. For SEC teams who haven't proven themselves by playing strong OOC competition (every SEC team), those rankings are based completely upon the bias of pollsters.

lol, \that is completely wrong. The colley rankings are in no way affected by the pollsters.
http://colleyrankings.com/advan.html
http://colleyrankings.com/method.html
The colley ranking is the only poll in the BCS that both: A. is nonbiased and B. has a known formula. And that is the reason I "went to" them.

If other conferences were as "proven" as you assume and frequently to claim them to be, it would show up in colley. It doesn't, because they're not.

By the way, Colley loved the Big 12 last year. Going into the Bowls, Colley had Ok St, K St, OU and Baylor #2, #4, #5, and #7. In a large part because of this, I wanted to see Ok St in the championship game instead of Alabama. This year however the strength of schedule is not in the Big 12's favor (so far at least).

Originally posted by RayRay99
That means these 6 [Big 12] teams played a total of 6 teams with a pulse. They were blown out in two of them, and of the remaining 4, the best records of those teams are 5-4.

Exactly.

Originally posted by TrevJo
If other conferences [besides the SEC] were as "proven" as you assume and frequently to claim them to be, it would show up in colley. It doesn't, because they're not.

Originally posted by TrevJo
lol, \that is completely wrong. The colley rankings are in no way affected by the pollsters.
http://colleyrankings.com/advan.html
http://colleyrankings.com/method.html
The colley ranking is the only poll in the BCS that both: A. is nonbiased and B. has a known formula. And that is the reason I "went to" them.

If other conferences were as "proven" as you assume and frequently to claim them to be, it would show up in colley. It doesn't, because they're not.

By the way, Colley loved the Big 12 last year. Going into the Bowls, Colley had Ok St, K St, OU and Baylor #2, #4, #5, and #7. In a large part because of this, I wanted to see Ok St in the championship game instead of Alabama. This year however the strength of schedule is not in the Big 12's favor (so far at least).

Look back at what I said. The entire SEC has beaten one decent OOC team. There is nothing to show that the SEC is so much better than the rest of the conferences.

Originally posted by RayRay99


We play each other in the SEC, that makes our schedule tougher than everyone else's by default. By the way, the SEC was 25-8 against FBS schools OOC, the Big 12 was 17-4. Looks like y'all are the ones who schedule the sisters of the poor. A&M is a "weak link", and the "upgrades" are a combined 5-6 in conference play. A&M is all over the media for their great season and the emergence of Johnny Football, while the only press the sips are getting is Mack complaining about the Longhorn Network and having to score in the waning seconds to beat Kansas.

Your schedule is tougher only if the teams in the SEC are actually tough. At this point the only teams you've played who might even qualify as tough (though they are unproven) are LSU and Florida. You lost to both of them and Johnny Football played like absolute shit against both of them.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Your schedule is tougher only if the teams in the SEC are actually tough. At this point the only teams you've played who might even qualify as tough (though they are unproven) are LSU and Florida. You lost to both of them and Johnny Football played like absolute shit against both of them.

The only teams you've played who are ranked are Oklahoma (12) and Tech (22). You won by 9 and lost by 42.

We lost to LSU (7) and Florida (6) by a total of 8 points. We have beaten Louisiana Tech (20) and Mississippi St (21) by a total of 27.

Y'all are 1-1 against currently ranked teams, with a close win and a huge blow out.

We are 2-2 against currently ranked teams, with 2 close losses, a close win, and a blowout win.

Those are the facts. We definitely have the tougher schedule and have performed better in it.

Originally posted by RayRay99
The only teams you've played who are ranked are Oklahoma (12) and Tech (22). You won by 9 and lost by 42.

We lost to LSU (7) and Florida (6) by a total of 8 points. We have beaten Louisiana Tech (20) and Mississippi St (21) by a total of 27.

Y'all are 1-1 against currently ranked teams, with a close win and a huge blow out.

We are 2-2 against currently ranked teams, with 2 close losses, a close win, and a blowout win.

Those are the facts. We definitely have the tougher schedule and have performed better in it.

You barely beat Ole Miss. We crushed them at their house. We beat Tech in their house. You lost to LSU and Florida at home. And the fact that you're counting La Tech as a quality win is laughable. The reason why they are ranked is because their schedule is laughably bad. It's also the same reason Miss St is ranked and you shouldn't be counting them as a quality win. Btw, you almost lost to La Tech at home. What happened to the Kyle Field advantage? Too many bat turds and cockroaches in your mouths? Or is it depression after they shut down the glory holes?

Edit: We also beat you in your house last season. Might as well call Kyle field DKR East.

I've got to say congrats to aggie. They went into bama's house and Johnny Fuhrer showed them what real offense is about. I guess this really does go to show how overrated the SEC really is. A team that was nothing more than mediocre in the Big 12 went in and beat down the 'best team evar!' in their house. Bama's shitty SEC offense couldn't do shit against a shitty Big 12 D and Bama's super duper SEC D couldn't stop aggie's Big 12 O. KState would have crushed those bama fucks.

Lolololol more sip spin. First, it was that we didn't have an SEC offer. Then, it was that y'all didn't want us anyway. Then, it was that it didn't matter, because we would never compete in the SEC. Now, it is the SEC is overrated, even though we have won 5 championships in a row. I can't wait until Sumlin lays a huge mushroom stamp on Ol' Buttertooths forehead in the Cotton Bowl.Bask in our glory!