I'm going to laugh if the Pats are good again this year and it turns out all along that it wasn't Brady that was that good, but the Pat's Oline giving him ALL DAY to throw the ball.
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and they still won yesterday
They sure did. Anybody else notice how heavily they relied on short timing patterns?
I can't remember the last time I saw so many quick hitches in the first half of a game...
and they still won yesterday
They sure did. Anybody else notice how heavily they relied on short timing patterns?
I can't remember the last time I saw so many quick hitches in the first half of a game...
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Originally posted by Falhawk
and they still won yesterday
They sure did. Anybody else notice how heavily they relied on short timing patterns?
I can't remember the last time I saw so many quick hitches in the first half of a game...
if anything you can say that Cassel is a system QB. He just had to manage the game, much like Ben Rofflesburger.
Had Brady been in the game they would have put the plan in his hands because he can make big plays happen.
System QB's don't win 3 superbowls with mediocre wr's and little to no running game (aside from 04)
Originally posted by Falhawk
and they still won yesterday
They sure did. Anybody else notice how heavily they relied on short timing patterns?
I can't remember the last time I saw so many quick hitches in the first half of a game...
if anything you can say that Cassel is a system QB. He just had to manage the game, much like Ben Rofflesburger.
Had Brady been in the game they would have put the plan in his hands because he can make big plays happen.
System QB's don't win 3 superbowls with mediocre wr's and little to no running game (aside from 04)
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I'm going to laugh if the Pats are good again this year and it turns out all along that it wasn't Brady that was that good, but the Pat's Oline giving him ALL DAY to throw the ball.
But that sets up a no-lose scenario for you. If they suck you can rejoice, but if they succeed you can still rejoice since you'll then assume that Brady was just the guy at that position at the time.
They won yesterday and it was a great game, but they were within the 10 yardline 3 times and left with field goals. Those would have been TD's with Brady.
The pats have a crazy easy schedule, they could win 10 games or so.
I'm going to laugh if the Pats are good again this year and it turns out all along that it wasn't Brady that was that good, but the Pat's Oline giving him ALL DAY to throw the ball.
But that sets up a no-lose scenario for you. If they suck you can rejoice, but if they succeed you can still rejoice since you'll then assume that Brady was just the guy at that position at the time.
They won yesterday and it was a great game, but they were within the 10 yardline 3 times and left with field goals. Those would have been TD's with Brady.
The pats have a crazy easy schedule, they could win 10 games or so.
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Originally posted by Falhawk
if anything you can say that Cassel is a system QB. He just had to manage the game, much like Ben Rofflesburger.
What do you think Brady did the first 3 years of his career?
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System QB's don't win 3 superbowls with mediocre wr's and little to no running game (aside from 04)What if they have a great defense?
if anything you can say that Cassel is a system QB. He just had to manage the game, much like Ben Rofflesburger.
What do you think Brady did the first 3 years of his career?
Originally posted by Falhawk
System QB's don't win 3 superbowls with mediocre wr's and little to no running game (aside from 04)What if they have a great defense?
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Originally posted by Falhawk
if anything you can say that Cassel is a system QB. He just had to manage the game, much like Ben Rofflesburger.
What do you think Brady did the first 3 years of his career?
won two superbowls and superbowl mvp's?
I know what you're driving at but the fact is they had no running game at that time and utilized the screen pass/short passing game in place of a ground game. It seemed to take the league a while to catch onto it so why change what works? They also didn't have any real deep threat at that time. Branch was nice but oft injured.
Give Brady down field targets and he'll have a career year (aka last year).
Originally posted by Falhawk
if anything you can say that Cassel is a system QB. He just had to manage the game, much like Ben Rofflesburger.
What do you think Brady did the first 3 years of his career?
won two superbowls and superbowl mvp's?
I know what you're driving at but the fact is they had no running game at that time and utilized the screen pass/short passing game in place of a ground game. It seemed to take the league a while to catch onto it so why change what works? They also didn't have any real deep threat at that time. Branch was nice but oft injured.
Give Brady down field targets and he'll have a career year (aka last year).
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What if they have a great defense?
please provide an example of a recent QB (not a system QB) with superbowl rings that didn't have a great defense the years they won
What if they have a great defense?
please provide an example of a recent QB (not a system QB) with superbowl rings that didn't have a great defense the years they won
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won two superbowls and superbowl mvp's?ehhhh....the first one was questionable....I would have given it to Ty Law.
145 yards and 1 td aren't usually MVP numbers.
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I know what you're driving at but the fact is they had no running game at that time and utilized the screen pass/short passing game in place of a ground game. It seemed to take the league a while to catch onto it so why change what works? They also didn't have any real deep threat at that time. Branch was nice but oft injured.
Give Brady down field targets and he'll have a career year (aka last year).I agree....he definitely can throw the ball. He's shown that for the last 4 or so years. Don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to say that Brady is purely a system QB. He could definitely be successful on another team and in another system....maybe not AS successful though.
won two superbowls and superbowl mvp's?ehhhh....the first one was questionable....I would have given it to Ty Law.
145 yards and 1 td aren't usually MVP numbers.
Originally posted by Falhawk
I know what you're driving at but the fact is they had no running game at that time and utilized the screen pass/short passing game in place of a ground game. It seemed to take the league a while to catch onto it so why change what works? They also didn't have any real deep threat at that time. Branch was nice but oft injured.
Give Brady down field targets and he'll have a career year (aka last year).I agree....he definitely can throw the ball. He's shown that for the last 4 or so years. Don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to say that Brady is purely a system QB. He could definitely be successful on another team and in another system....maybe not AS successful though.
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Originally posted by Falhawk
won two superbowls and superbowl mvp's?ehhhh....the first one was questionable....I would have given it to Ty Law.
145 yards and 1 td aren't usually MVP numbers.
Originally posted by Falhawk
I know what you're driving at but the fact is they had no running game at that time and utilized the screen pass/short passing game in place of a ground game. It seemed to take the league a while to catch onto it so why change what works? They also didn't have any real deep threat at that time. Branch was nice but oft injured.
Give Brady down field targets and he'll have a career year (aka last year).I agree....he definitely can throw the ball. He's shown that for the last 4 or so years. Don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to say that Brady is purely a system QB. He could definitely be successful on another team and in another system....maybe not AS successful though.
I don't really understand what you're getting at then. Show me another QB who fits this ideal you're shooting for.
Football is a team game, you need to be good on all sides of the ball to win a superbowl.
Originally posted by Falhawk
won two superbowls and superbowl mvp's?ehhhh....the first one was questionable....I would have given it to Ty Law.
145 yards and 1 td aren't usually MVP numbers.
Originally posted by Falhawk
I know what you're driving at but the fact is they had no running game at that time and utilized the screen pass/short passing game in place of a ground game. It seemed to take the league a while to catch onto it so why change what works? They also didn't have any real deep threat at that time. Branch was nice but oft injured.
Give Brady down field targets and he'll have a career year (aka last year).I agree....he definitely can throw the ball. He's shown that for the last 4 or so years. Don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to say that Brady is purely a system QB. He could definitely be successful on another team and in another system....maybe not AS successful though.
I don't really understand what you're getting at then. Show me another QB who fits this ideal you're shooting for.
Football is a team game, you need to be good on all sides of the ball to win a superbowl.
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Originally posted by Hampe
What if they have a great defense?
please provide an example of a recent QB (not a system QB) with superbowl rings that didn't have a great defense the years they wonUm they all pretty much had great Defenses (except for St. Louis maybe).
They also didn't all have great receivers or a running game....
Originally posted by Hampe
What if they have a great defense?
please provide an example of a recent QB (not a system QB) with superbowl rings that didn't have a great defense the years they wonUm they all pretty much had great Defenses (except for St. Louis maybe).
They also didn't all have great receivers or a running game....
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Originally posted by Hampe
Originally posted by Falhawk
won two superbowls and superbowl mvp's?ehhhh....the first one was questionable....I would have given it to Ty Law.
145 yards and 1 td aren't usually MVP numbers.
Originally posted by Falhawk
I know what you're driving at but the fact is they had no running game at that time and utilized the screen pass/short passing game in place of a ground game. It seemed to take the league a while to catch onto it so why change what works? They also didn't have any real deep threat at that time. Branch was nice but oft injured.
Give Brady down field targets and he'll have a career year (aka last year).I agree....he definitely can throw the ball. He's shown that for the last 4 or so years. Don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to say that Brady is purely a system QB. He could definitely be successful on another team and in another system....maybe not AS successful though.
I don't really understand what you're getting at then. Show me another QB who fits this ideal you're shooting for.
Football is a team game, you need to be good on all sides of the ball to win a superbowl.That's EXACTLY what I'm getting at. You can't say that Brady "won" those superbowls. HE didn't win them, the Patriots did.
That is what I'm getting at.
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Originally posted by Falhawk
won two superbowls and superbowl mvp's?ehhhh....the first one was questionable....I would have given it to Ty Law.
145 yards and 1 td aren't usually MVP numbers.
Originally posted by Falhawk
I know what you're driving at but the fact is they had no running game at that time and utilized the screen pass/short passing game in place of a ground game. It seemed to take the league a while to catch onto it so why change what works? They also didn't have any real deep threat at that time. Branch was nice but oft injured.
Give Brady down field targets and he'll have a career year (aka last year).I agree....he definitely can throw the ball. He's shown that for the last 4 or so years. Don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to say that Brady is purely a system QB. He could definitely be successful on another team and in another system....maybe not AS successful though.
I don't really understand what you're getting at then. Show me another QB who fits this ideal you're shooting for.
Football is a team game, you need to be good on all sides of the ball to win a superbowl.That's EXACTLY what I'm getting at. You can't say that Brady "won" those superbowls. HE didn't win them, the Patriots did.
That is what I'm getting at.
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Originally posted by Hampe
Originally posted by Falhawk
Originally posted by Hampe
What if they have a great defense?
please provide an example of a recent QB (not a system QB) with superbowl rings that didn't have a great defense the years they wonUm they all pretty much had great Defenses (except for St. Louis maybe).
They also didn't all have great receivers or a running game....
so again, what are you getting at then?
Originally posted by Falhawk
Originally posted by Hampe
What if they have a great defense?
please provide an example of a recent QB (not a system QB) with superbowl rings that didn't have a great defense the years they wonUm they all pretty much had great Defenses (except for St. Louis maybe).
They also didn't all have great receivers or a running game....
so again, what are you getting at then?
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Originally posted by Falhawk
Originally posted by Hampe
Originally posted by Falhawk
Originally posted by Hampe
What if they have a great defense?
please provide an example of a recent QB (not a system QB) with superbowl rings that didn't have a great defense the years they wonUm they all pretty much had great Defenses (except for St. Louis maybe).
They also didn't all have great receivers or a running game....
so again, what are you getting at then?
That "Tom Brady" didn't win 3 superbowls. The New England Patriots did.
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Originally posted by Hampe
What if they have a great defense?
please provide an example of a recent QB (not a system QB) with superbowl rings that didn't have a great defense the years they wonUm they all pretty much had great Defenses (except for St. Louis maybe).
They also didn't all have great receivers or a running game....
so again, what are you getting at then?
That "Tom Brady" didn't win 3 superbowls. The New England Patriots did.
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Originally posted by Hampe
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Originally posted by Hampe
Originally posted by Falhawk
won two superbowls and superbowl mvp's?ehhhh....the first one was questionable....I would have given it to Ty Law.
145 yards and 1 td aren't usually MVP numbers.
Originally posted by Falhawk
I know what you're driving at but the fact is they had no running game at that time and utilized the screen pass/short passing game in place of a ground game. It seemed to take the league a while to catch onto it so why change what works? They also didn't have any real deep threat at that time. Branch was nice but oft injured.
Give Brady down field targets and he'll have a career year (aka last year).I agree....he definitely can throw the ball. He's shown that for the last 4 or so years. Don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to say that Brady is purely a system QB. He could definitely be successful on another team and in another system....maybe not AS successful though.
I don't really understand what you're getting at then. Show me another QB who fits this ideal you're shooting for.
Football is a team game, you need to be good on all sides of the ball to win a superbowl.That's EXACTLY what I'm getting at. You can't say that Brady "won" those superbowls. HE didn't win them, the Patriots did.
That is what I'm getting at.
uh...is this really an argument? OF course the team won it. I don't think you could have just plugged any QB into that spot though. Brady has won a lot of key games for the pats. Lots of final second drives down the field orchestrated by the QB.
Again if former players and coaches say that Brady is one of the best QB's in the game that holds a lot more weight than what some random dude on the internet things.
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Originally posted by Hampe
Originally posted by Falhawk
won two superbowls and superbowl mvp's?ehhhh....the first one was questionable....I would have given it to Ty Law.
145 yards and 1 td aren't usually MVP numbers.
Originally posted by Falhawk
I know what you're driving at but the fact is they had no running game at that time and utilized the screen pass/short passing game in place of a ground game. It seemed to take the league a while to catch onto it so why change what works? They also didn't have any real deep threat at that time. Branch was nice but oft injured.
Give Brady down field targets and he'll have a career year (aka last year).I agree....he definitely can throw the ball. He's shown that for the last 4 or so years. Don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to say that Brady is purely a system QB. He could definitely be successful on another team and in another system....maybe not AS successful though.
I don't really understand what you're getting at then. Show me another QB who fits this ideal you're shooting for.
Football is a team game, you need to be good on all sides of the ball to win a superbowl.That's EXACTLY what I'm getting at. You can't say that Brady "won" those superbowls. HE didn't win them, the Patriots did.
That is what I'm getting at.
uh...is this really an argument? OF course the team won it. I don't think you could have just plugged any QB into that spot though. Brady has won a lot of key games for the pats. Lots of final second drives down the field orchestrated by the QB.
Again if former players and coaches say that Brady is one of the best QB's in the game that holds a lot more weight than what some random dude on the internet things.
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Originally posted by Falhawk
uh...is this really an argument? OF course the team won it. I don't think you could have just plugged any QB into that spot though. I agree (although there are a few).....guess we'll never know though. It'd be interesting to see how Brady looks on a crappy team (like the Texans). We'll probably never know though.
Originally posted by Falhawk
Brady has won a lot of key games for the pats. Lots of final second drives down the field orchestrated by the QB.There's no doubt he is good when it really counts.
uh...is this really an argument? OF course the team won it. I don't think you could have just plugged any QB into that spot though. I agree (although there are a few).....guess we'll never know though. It'd be interesting to see how Brady looks on a crappy team (like the Texans). We'll probably never know though.
Originally posted by Falhawk
Brady has won a lot of key games for the pats. Lots of final second drives down the field orchestrated by the QB.There's no doubt he is good when it really counts.
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