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Warlock
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Originally posted by JBrown5390

LOL!! Your an idiot Warlock, its game! There only moving dots! Stop being getting so jealous over Miked33's build.


I'm the idiot, yet you cannot even master basic grammar... let alone show proficiency at it. It's "you are" or "you're", not "your" btw. Maybe you should start taking some things in life a bit more seriously, I'd suggest basic communication skills as a good place to start.

Sorry if I take pride, in the things that I do, whether it's work or play. Maybe the world would be a better place, if more people had the same problem, that you believe I possess.

So on that note, you may resume smashing your face against the keyboard. Attempting to convey thoughts and/or ideas to the rest of the internet. Having been around less evolved species for my entire life, I've developed empathy to help understand them. Just like when my dog stands near the door and looks at me, signaling that he wants to go out... I too understand what you're trying to say, my friend. I merely disagree because, it reeks of influence from the conformist propaganda that permeates Society. "Don't question anything, instead make up an excuse, so it's easier for you to deal with then get your ass back in line". You say "it's just a game" (well you attempted to anyways) like it's supposed to explain everything.

That's kind of like getting dragged out of your car by a cop and getting beaten, during which you ask the cop "why?". He responds by saying, "because I'm a cop". Oh that makes it all better right? No of course not, but I already know your next argument "but it's just a game, don't take it seriously"... how about the cop doesn't beat you, but instead it's your friend. When do you start caring about things, what's your threshold of importance? Does the unjustified beating of a stranger mean nothing to you? I'd guess not, based on your internet persona. I'm guessing that you would place the blame on the person that got beaten by the cop. "your an idiot person, shouldve stay home! Wouldnt have gotten beat! Stop being getting jealous over the power cops have."... checks and balances are very important, unfortunately they don't exist for this build.
 
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Originally posted by D-WareMVP


Wow... do you even watch football? DE's are sometimes regarded as the best athletes in football. They have to be big, strong, and SUPER FAST/AGILE. Look at all the sack leaders year in and year out. Dwight Freeney, DeMarcus Ware, Jason Taylor, Jared Allen, Mario Williams.

Yes, they have to be strong, be they are extremely quick and agile.

Why do you want everyone to have cookie cutter builds? If Bort changed it like you think he will everyone will just soft cap str/speed/agi and be good. Whats the fun in that? DE's should still have some str, but it shouldn't always be the most important skill. Thats for DT/NT they have to have brute force.


Yes I watch football, I also played it at the college and the semi-pro level (at DE of all things). I understand what you're saying, I even pointed it out in an earlier post in this thread. Most great pass rushers had all of those elements.

My problem is that you don't have to be strong with this build. In-fact, if you read his guide, he tells you not to put a single skill point in strength or even training it. That's ridiculous and only successful because a high agility prevents many of the pancakes he should be taking.

Aside from that, there is plenty of variations out there for DE builds. I see the cookie cutter thing more of an issue if this build isn't fixed, because you'll have either a strength or a speed build (since balance is ineffective for pass rushing). All of the less effective builds will eventually disappear, until only two builds remain.
 
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As you can see Warlock, nobody agrees with you or wants you in this thread. I'm done responding to you. Good luck in your crusade to make your terrible DE semi-playable by getting the entire game changed to your exact specifications.
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Originally posted by miked33
As you can see Warlock, nobody agrees with you or wants you in this thread. I'm done responding to you. Good luck in your crusade to make your terrible DE semi-playable by getting the entire game changed to your exact specifications.


Hahahahaha. Typical response, when people are unable to counter your points, in any type of meaningful way. "I'm taking my ball and going home".

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Originally posted by Warlock
Originally posted by miked33

As you can see Warlock, nobody agrees with you or wants you in this thread. I'm done responding to you. Good luck in your crusade to make your terrible DE semi-playable by getting the entire game changed to your exact specifications.


Hahahahaha. Typical response, when people are unable to counter your points, in any type of meaningful way. "I'm taking my ball and going home".



why are you here bitching?
The guys de beat your ass cuz the OT didnt have enough agi and spd to keep up.
 
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Originally posted by Warlock
So yes, an effective build that doesn't imitate football is immoral IMHO. Like I've shown, it doesn't happen in the real world (I'd say due to the lack of success it's had, when people have even attempted it). So considering that this game is still in the beta phase and under development, I take this situation as unintended. His success is an exploit of game mechanics currently, exploiting rules are immoral and dishonorable (even if it's highly effective). This is because there's no effective counter to it.



QFH
 
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Originally posted by Warlock
Originally posted by miked33

As you can see Warlock, nobody agrees with you or wants you in this thread. I'm done responding to you. Good luck in your crusade to make your terrible DE semi-playable by getting the entire game changed to your exact specifications.


Hahahahaha. Typical response, when people are unable to counter your points, in any type of meaningful way. "I'm taking my ball and going home".



Why do you think your better than everyone here? I mean basically his DE beat your OT so your crying about it. When you ran out of things to say, you started pointing out people's grammatical errors. Do you know why your arguing anymore?
 
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Originally posted by JBrown5390
Originally posted by Warlock

Originally posted by miked33


As you can see Warlock, nobody agrees with you or wants you in this thread. I'm done responding to you. Good luck in your crusade to make your terrible DE semi-playable by getting the entire game changed to your exact specifications.


Hahahahaha. Typical response, when people are unable to counter your points, in any type of meaningful way. "I'm taking my ball and going home".



Why do you think your better than everyone here? I mean basically his DE beat your OT so your crying about it. When you ran out of things to say, you started pointing out people's grammatical errors. Do you know why your arguing anymore?


He didn't beat my OT (at the time of this whole issue, my OT was a back-up on the opposite side of the OL), so I'm not bitching because he made my player look bad.

As for pointing out your grammatical errors... I found it a bit hypocritical to imply that I'm foolish, especially when you can't even perform basic writing skills. Next time you want to insult someone's intelligence, be sure not lack it yourself.

My argument is what it is, whether or not you agree with it, doesn't change the points that I've made. Unfortunately, name-calling and assuming that I'm a "whiner" is the only counter-points anyone can seem to come up with. I take that as... no one can defend the fact that this build is, in-fact, exploitive.
 
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Originally posted by Warlock


Hahahahaha. Typical response, when people are unable to counter your points, in any type of meaningful way. "I'm taking my ball and going home".



What's that period doing outside the quote? *GASP* A grammatical error by Admiral Comma Splice. Bravo!
 
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How is it exploitive? If someone wanted to make a HB with all strength and no speed would that be exploitive, even though no HB in the nfl would be that slow?

Speed DEs have consequences for their build if they sacrifice strength. Sure they're fast, but what happens when a power back runs their way?

People can build their players however they want. If you wanted to build your QB with all speed and agility and no throwing, you could do it. Just because in the NFL DEs generally have good strength, doesn't mean they have to here. This is GLB, not the NFL. If you want to put an OT in as kick returner, you can.

Also, remember, there are counters to every build. All it takes is OTs not going STRENGTH BLOCKING ONRY, to stop a quick DE.
 
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so speed is the one I want to put my equipment into not agility right guys?
 
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Originally posted by Darkstrand
so speed is the one I want to put my equipment into not agility right guys?


I would wait until we get some info on how Bort's latest update went for todays games. Hopefully the current DE builds with high agility aren't completely wasted. Anyone have games today that noticed a difference? I have one in an hour and hope to see something different then my guy running into the G and LT......
 
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Originally posted by lawsonr81


There actually are a few speed DE ends that are close to the size of DBs. Here is one, although he was not in the 2008 draft class. 5'11 is about the height of an NFL DB.

Elvis Dumervil | #92 | DE

Denver Broncos

Height: 5-11 Weight: 260 Age: 24

Born: 1/19/1984 Miami , FL

College: Louisville

Experience: 3rd season


DE Robert Mathis IND
6-2 245...and I don't believe he weights 245...probably more like 230...

7 sacks 2007
9.5 sacks 2006
 
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Originally posted by eZe471
Originally posted by Darkstrand

so speed is the one I want to put my equipment into not agility right guys?


I would wait until we get some info on how Bort's latest update went for todays games. Hopefully the current DE builds with high agility aren't completely wasted. Anyone have games today that noticed a difference? I have one in an hour and hope to see something different then my guy running into the G and LT......


I have a speed/agility DE in western Europe AA who is set to elusive...and I can confirm that this morning's game was his first with the elusive setting working...
 
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hmm.

I just hit level 8 so I want to get my piece of custom equipment. Oh well I guess I'll wait.
 
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