Originally posted by Sellars
I think we all know and agree that 80 VIS is > less than 80. But u really need to look at it like this, a CB with 105 nat VIS or 120 AGL (w/EQ) will do certain things far better, you just can't justify either of those 2 things for obvious reason's. Reason being the benefit is just not worth the resources required at the expense of other parts of the dot's build. A HB can get awesome value from Jumping, power thru and in this sim u really will be hard pressed to find a top team who will take on a fumble prone back so STR must get a certain amount of attention as well. Being that VIS is a major its pretty reasonable to take it up to at least 60 for very little investment however u can get really good value and better returns performance wise from things other than taking VIS to 80.
I back this statement also. Even with my returner builds (elusive HB's) I don't take vision to 80 anymore. The reason I bolded that word is I once was a "vision" psycho and defended my builds with mostly the same logic you're using, Shocks. First of all, nobody here will disagree than ANY skill works better the higher it is... when you ONLY consider a skill on it's own accord. But skills work in harmony to accomplish an end result and while a QB with 190 throwing "looks" smart to many... it preforms poorly because it's complimentary skills are not there to support it's primary. More vision "might" cause your HF to fire more... but what good is that if your HB cannot take advantage of those fakes due to a lack of secondary skill support because you spent so much on vision? You can still get your HF to fire enough that your dot is successful if you finish vision below 70 (but above 45). The end is up to you as to what damage you desire to inflict on your other supporting skills and how much. It's this "trade-off" that all us builders argue about... but, in the end, you have to decide what you're willing to trade off to get your vision that high.
I think we all know and agree that 80 VIS is > less than 80. But u really need to look at it like this, a CB with 105 nat VIS or 120 AGL (w/EQ) will do certain things far better, you just can't justify either of those 2 things for obvious reason's. Reason being the benefit is just not worth the resources required at the expense of other parts of the dot's build. A HB can get awesome value from Jumping, power thru and in this sim u really will be hard pressed to find a top team who will take on a fumble prone back so STR must get a certain amount of attention as well. Being that VIS is a major its pretty reasonable to take it up to at least 60 for very little investment however u can get really good value and better returns performance wise from things other than taking VIS to 80.
I back this statement also. Even with my returner builds (elusive HB's) I don't take vision to 80 anymore. The reason I bolded that word is I once was a "vision" psycho and defended my builds with mostly the same logic you're using, Shocks. First of all, nobody here will disagree than ANY skill works better the higher it is... when you ONLY consider a skill on it's own accord. But skills work in harmony to accomplish an end result and while a QB with 190 throwing "looks" smart to many... it preforms poorly because it's complimentary skills are not there to support it's primary. More vision "might" cause your HF to fire more... but what good is that if your HB cannot take advantage of those fakes due to a lack of secondary skill support because you spent so much on vision? You can still get your HF to fire enough that your dot is successful if you finish vision below 70 (but above 45). The end is up to you as to what damage you desire to inflict on your other supporting skills and how much. It's this "trade-off" that all us builders argue about... but, in the end, you have to decide what you're willing to trade off to get your vision that high.
(but pretty sure he took vision that high cause I told him to do it)
