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Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Most people don't go into the forums at all?
At first, absolutely, which is why the notion that a new person signs up and then quits because he's told he's not building properly is highly questionable.
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The fact is anyone who starts playing this game and asks for advice (either from a friend who brought them to the game, or on the forums) is quickly taught that this game isn't fun since there are not early-game build options.
lol? It's always funny to watch you completely make shit up when you're badly losing an argument, which happens virtually every time you post. The emphasis on speed for skill players and strength for linemen doesn't change from the start of a dot to the end, so if you think it "isn't fun" at the beginning then it isn't fun at any time. Why are you still playing?
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what matters is the lack of early-game build options without ruining builds.
Yeah, that isn't true either. No one is forcing you not to put skill points in SAs. No one is forcing you not to build a well-rounded player. Your entire argument boils down to wailing and crying over a new person not being able to build a WL-quality dot right off the bat, but all your crying is ludicrous precisely because this game would be terrible if a new person could build a dot like that right away. GLB doesn't automatically retire your dot if you don't maximize ALGs or train efficiently. And as noted, it's possible that new users building intuitively might actually have more success initially than they otherwise would.
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The FACT is that MOST of us who are still here came in the first few seasons of GLB. Why?
Because that's when the overwhelming majority of people signed up. GLB hit its saturation point extremely quickly. It is a niche game, not something with broad appeal. Have you really never seen someone post the sign up totals? It dropped like a stone after the first ~three seasons and continued to drop since. It's not like sign ups dropped after slow building became prevalent. And frankly, I'd guess that the same percentage of new people quit in the early days as they do now. There aren't a ton of people who get excited about training once a day and watch some very basic graphics every two days.
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GLB building processes have stagnated (do you honestly believe your new dots are to be built more efficiently than your d80 dots?).
Of course. I build very good dots (I think we'd both agree they're much better than yours), and yet I absolutely believe that I can do substantially better. I'm still learning better ways to do things. Just recently CerNeT opened my eyes to some new possibilities that I'm excited to try whenever I'm not overwhelmed by coordinating responsibilities.
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Meh... I also currently have a WL left tackle who's given up 2 hurries and 0 sacks though 9 games
That actually is a good dot. Kudos.
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As a non-network owner I do my best recruiting and I get what I get.
Remember, I'm also a non-network WL owner. You're absolutely correct that coordination matters immensely, as I repeatedly made the playoffs with my dots and a bunch of dots the WL elite didn't want, but it's incorrect to suggest that there isn't a difference in dot quality between the top of the WL and the middle. It isn't as huge a gap as existed with Valhalla/Blaze, but it's still significant.
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We are GLB's past, not its future jd.
This game has lasted five years. Five years. Do you understand how rare it is for a one-man start-up browser game to last that long and bring in as much money as it has? Yeah, it's dying, but that has everything to do with the stuff not related to player building. Again, ALGs are one of if not the main reason that GLB lasted this long. Without that level of complexity involved in player building, why would anyone still be around? Do you really find dot replays that entertaining? People don't keep building dots because they feel compelled to recycle flex, they do it because they're convinced that they can build their next dots better than they built their last ones.
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And as clearly the smartest man in GLB who has mastered efficient dotbuilding, clearly you are not here beacuse there are still challenges in dot building efficiency.
You truly have a gift for being constantly wrong.
Most people don't go into the forums at all?
At first, absolutely, which is why the notion that a new person signs up and then quits because he's told he's not building properly is highly questionable.
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The fact is anyone who starts playing this game and asks for advice (either from a friend who brought them to the game, or on the forums) is quickly taught that this game isn't fun since there are not early-game build options.
lol? It's always funny to watch you completely make shit up when you're badly losing an argument, which happens virtually every time you post. The emphasis on speed for skill players and strength for linemen doesn't change from the start of a dot to the end, so if you think it "isn't fun" at the beginning then it isn't fun at any time. Why are you still playing?
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what matters is the lack of early-game build options without ruining builds.
Yeah, that isn't true either. No one is forcing you not to put skill points in SAs. No one is forcing you not to build a well-rounded player. Your entire argument boils down to wailing and crying over a new person not being able to build a WL-quality dot right off the bat, but all your crying is ludicrous precisely because this game would be terrible if a new person could build a dot like that right away. GLB doesn't automatically retire your dot if you don't maximize ALGs or train efficiently. And as noted, it's possible that new users building intuitively might actually have more success initially than they otherwise would.
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The FACT is that MOST of us who are still here came in the first few seasons of GLB. Why?
Because that's when the overwhelming majority of people signed up. GLB hit its saturation point extremely quickly. It is a niche game, not something with broad appeal. Have you really never seen someone post the sign up totals? It dropped like a stone after the first ~three seasons and continued to drop since. It's not like sign ups dropped after slow building became prevalent. And frankly, I'd guess that the same percentage of new people quit in the early days as they do now. There aren't a ton of people who get excited about training once a day and watch some very basic graphics every two days.
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GLB building processes have stagnated (do you honestly believe your new dots are to be built more efficiently than your d80 dots?).
Of course. I build very good dots (I think we'd both agree they're much better than yours), and yet I absolutely believe that I can do substantially better. I'm still learning better ways to do things. Just recently CerNeT opened my eyes to some new possibilities that I'm excited to try whenever I'm not overwhelmed by coordinating responsibilities.
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Meh... I also currently have a WL left tackle who's given up 2 hurries and 0 sacks though 9 games
That actually is a good dot. Kudos.
Originally posted by
As a non-network owner I do my best recruiting and I get what I get.
Remember, I'm also a non-network WL owner. You're absolutely correct that coordination matters immensely, as I repeatedly made the playoffs with my dots and a bunch of dots the WL elite didn't want, but it's incorrect to suggest that there isn't a difference in dot quality between the top of the WL and the middle. It isn't as huge a gap as existed with Valhalla/Blaze, but it's still significant.
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We are GLB's past, not its future jd.
This game has lasted five years. Five years. Do you understand how rare it is for a one-man start-up browser game to last that long and bring in as much money as it has? Yeah, it's dying, but that has everything to do with the stuff not related to player building. Again, ALGs are one of if not the main reason that GLB lasted this long. Without that level of complexity involved in player building, why would anyone still be around? Do you really find dot replays that entertaining? People don't keep building dots because they feel compelled to recycle flex, they do it because they're convinced that they can build their next dots better than they built their last ones.
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And as clearly the smartest man in GLB who has mastered efficient dotbuilding, clearly you are not here beacuse there are still challenges in dot building efficiency.
You truly have a gift for being constantly wrong.bhall43
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If most new users went straight to the forums they probably wouldn't quit right away. Fact is a lot of new users make their player and then later in the season post their build because it isn't doing very well. That is the point in which hopefully he posts in FAQ and helpful users can redirect him to better information. Not a lot of new users come in with questions. They just read Football and start assigning skills points.
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Originally posted by bhall43
If most new users went straight to the forums they probably wouldn't quit right away. Fact is a lot of new users make their player and then later in the season post their build because it isn't doing very well. That is the point in which hopefully he posts in FAQ and helpful users can redirect him to better information. Not a lot of new users come in with questions. They just read Football and start assigning skills points.
Would be nice if Catch/Bort asked a few builders who actually build good dots to come together for an updated building platform for a guide instead of http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=125 . That list is not totally wrong but certainly there are many things to be desired in the way of attribute knowledge as well as the whole training system. The link is from the skill point asign page
If most new users went straight to the forums they probably wouldn't quit right away. Fact is a lot of new users make their player and then later in the season post their build because it isn't doing very well. That is the point in which hopefully he posts in FAQ and helpful users can redirect him to better information. Not a lot of new users come in with questions. They just read Football and start assigning skills points.
Would be nice if Catch/Bort asked a few builders who actually build good dots to come together for an updated building platform for a guide instead of http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=125 . That list is not totally wrong but certainly there are many things to be desired in the way of attribute knowledge as well as the whole training system. The link is from the skill point asign page
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Originally posted by Sellars
Would be nice if Catch/Bort asked a few builders who actually build good dots to come together for an updated building platform for a guide instead of http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=125 . That list is not totally wrong but certainly there are many things to be desired in the way of attribute knowledge as well as the whole training system. The link is from the skill point asign page
Could have swore we did that once upon a time in once of Catch's forums....
Would be nice if Catch/Bort asked a few builders who actually build good dots to come together for an updated building platform for a guide instead of http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=125 . That list is not totally wrong but certainly there are many things to be desired in the way of attribute knowledge as well as the whole training system. The link is from the skill point asign page
Could have swore we did that once upon a time in once of Catch's forums....
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Originally posted by jdbolick
People don't keep building dots because they feel compelled to recycle flex, they do it because they're convinced that they can build their next dots better than they built their last ones.
exactly.
People don't keep building dots because they feel compelled to recycle flex, they do it because they're convinced that they can build their next dots better than they built their last ones.
exactly.Originally posted by sirstyle
exactly.
I don't know. I make mine because people make shit dots and I don't want to beg for dots that lose games. That said, I am maybe only in the top 20% of builders at the pro level. I make mercenary dots. CBs, blockers, etc. I do agree that it's fun to get better, but my dots don't always end up better than my last round.
I also make dots to return favors and to experience playing for agents I do not know. Sometimes, I get lucky and meet some quality people that know WTF they are doing. In turn, I can leverage that to recruit for my own teams.
exactly.I don't know. I make mine because people make shit dots and I don't want to beg for dots that lose games. That said, I am maybe only in the top 20% of builders at the pro level. I make mercenary dots. CBs, blockers, etc. I do agree that it's fun to get better, but my dots don't always end up better than my last round.
I also make dots to return favors and to experience playing for agents I do not know. Sometimes, I get lucky and meet some quality people that know WTF they are doing. In turn, I can leverage that to recruit for my own teams.
Edited by ezra_ on Apr 21, 2013 17:17:15
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I always start my dots in the thought that they are going to be better than the last but the length of the building process always works against me. Either I get antsy one night when I am drunk and rollover happens or I am gone for an extended period of time. Something always fucks with the process in the mid levels.
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Originally posted by ezra_
I don't know. I make mine because people make shit dots and I don't want to beg for dots that lose games. That said, I am maybe only in the top 20% of builders at the pro level. I make mercenary dots. CBs, blockers, etc. I do agree that it's fun to get better, but my dots don't always end up better than my last round.
I also make dots to return favors and to experience playing for agents I do not know. Sometimes, I get lucky and meet some quality people that know WTF they are doing. In turn, I can leverage that to recruit for my own teams.
According to you everyone's dots are shit if they aren't built exactly like you build them.
I don't know. I make mine because people make shit dots and I don't want to beg for dots that lose games. That said, I am maybe only in the top 20% of builders at the pro level. I make mercenary dots. CBs, blockers, etc. I do agree that it's fun to get better, but my dots don't always end up better than my last round.
I also make dots to return favors and to experience playing for agents I do not know. Sometimes, I get lucky and meet some quality people that know WTF they are doing. In turn, I can leverage that to recruit for my own teams.
According to you everyone's dots are shit if they aren't built exactly like you build them.
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Originally posted by Sellars
Would be nice if Catch/Bort asked a few builders who actually build good dots to come together for an updated building platform for a guide instead of http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=125 . That list is not totally wrong but certainly there are many things to be desired in the way of attribute knowledge as well as the whole training system. The link is from the skill point asign page
jdbolick's guide on how to start a dot has been plastered everywhere. For a new player his dot is fairly easy to understand. The issue is how do you get new players to seek out this information?
they have no idea when they join that there is a specific way to do things, they think they can just build however they want and that is what they do.
Would be nice if Catch/Bort asked a few builders who actually build good dots to come together for an updated building platform for a guide instead of http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=125 . That list is not totally wrong but certainly there are many things to be desired in the way of attribute knowledge as well as the whole training system. The link is from the skill point asign page
jdbolick's guide on how to start a dot has been plastered everywhere. For a new player his dot is fairly easy to understand. The issue is how do you get new players to seek out this information?
they have no idea when they join that there is a specific way to do things, they think they can just build however they want and that is what they do.
Originally posted by Dub J
According to you everyone's dots are shit if they aren't built exactly like you build them.
Right. Well done with the rage. I just know what I see, and call it like I see it. There is a reason why certain agents win gifs at the WL level and when you see their dots, it's not hard to understand what they were thinking.
Call me an asshole or what you will, and that is fine. As an owner and coordinator trying to elevate my game, it behooves me to employ the best dots and builders in front of me rather than experiment. If the best conventional builds get me to WL /(and then the WL playoffs), which then opens doors to the "super hero" level, next tier players, to maybe win WL, then I have achieved what i am supposed to do as owner: win and improve to win again.
This game and sim have been analyzed to no end. If you are implying that I suck because a relatively large sample set has determined how to build X dot to make the WL playoffs, fine. Then there are the builds we never see, such as those on the field for say HHWC, Hood, Asau, or Odessa. While I largely believe they are mostly the same as conventional builds, yet more efficient, I have reason to believe that they also defy convention now and then.
Do I think your 29 speed, ~75 vision center is one of dots that will change the game and win WL? No, I do not. By now, you should know what to do to elevate your game. Sorry if you are mad that I wondered why you had 75+ vision on OL in a private team forum. From now on, just assume I have no good will to spare and derive some sort of pleasure out of making game unfun for the rest of us. While it is true that you did not ask my advice, it is also true that I asked why you thought your center was unconventional. I will leave it at that for you to be who you are.
Stop telling me to fuck off so much, ok? While you are at it, fuck off.
According to you everyone's dots are shit if they aren't built exactly like you build them.
Right. Well done with the rage. I just know what I see, and call it like I see it. There is a reason why certain agents win gifs at the WL level and when you see their dots, it's not hard to understand what they were thinking.
Call me an asshole or what you will, and that is fine. As an owner and coordinator trying to elevate my game, it behooves me to employ the best dots and builders in front of me rather than experiment. If the best conventional builds get me to WL /(and then the WL playoffs), which then opens doors to the "super hero" level, next tier players, to maybe win WL, then I have achieved what i am supposed to do as owner: win and improve to win again.
This game and sim have been analyzed to no end. If you are implying that I suck because a relatively large sample set has determined how to build X dot to make the WL playoffs, fine. Then there are the builds we never see, such as those on the field for say HHWC, Hood, Asau, or Odessa. While I largely believe they are mostly the same as conventional builds, yet more efficient, I have reason to believe that they also defy convention now and then.
Do I think your 29 speed, ~75 vision center is one of dots that will change the game and win WL? No, I do not. By now, you should know what to do to elevate your game. Sorry if you are mad that I wondered why you had 75+ vision on OL in a private team forum. From now on, just assume I have no good will to spare and derive some sort of pleasure out of making game unfun for the rest of us. While it is true that you did not ask my advice, it is also true that I asked why you thought your center was unconventional. I will leave it at that for you to be who you are.
Stop telling me to fuck off so much, ok? While you are at it, fuck off.
Edited by ezra_ on Apr 22, 2013 05:02:45
Edited by ezra_ on Apr 22, 2013 05:00:10
Edited by ezra_ on Apr 22, 2013 04:52:31
Edited by ezra_ on Apr 22, 2013 04:34:32
Edited by ezra_ on Apr 22, 2013 04:32:52
Originally posted by Dub J
According to you everyone's dots are shit if they aren't built exactly like you build them.
the bitter is strong in this one
According to you everyone's dots are shit if they aren't built exactly like you build them.
the bitter is strong in this one
Edited by ezra_ on Apr 22, 2013 05:02:45
Edited by ezra_ on Apr 22, 2013 05:00:10
Edited by ezra_ on Apr 22, 2013 04:52:31
Edited by ezra_ on Apr 22, 2013 04:34:32
Edited by ezra_ on Apr 22, 2013 04:32:52
Edited by ezra_ on Apr 22, 2013 05:00:10
Edited by ezra_ on Apr 22, 2013 04:52:31
Edited by ezra_ on Apr 22, 2013 04:34:32
Edited by ezra_ on Apr 22, 2013 04:32:52
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