Warrior General Games

Originally posted by evileyez
i saw your original post before the edits ...

i do believe bort/catch see the problems but i'm not really enthused by the first wave of solutions to it - the contest. it's worthless when the DC is forced to use the bort preset DPC. it just is; you've removed effectively most DCs that have the meta knowledge of this game with that caveat. (not that this guy would necessarily participate ...). i know i've just re-iterated what you've said but i'm pretty sure catch knows my feelings on most of it, and i'm not even understanding how that's a good first step.

if you are going to continue with the concept of AI and DPC and whatever, then the interface needs a drastic overhaul. as the game continues to contract, the only guys left are the experience die hards that have become warm to complexity of things as they've been added over the seasons piece-meal.

no one wants to hear it, not the least of which the WL folks ... but the solution is a great simplification of the entire coordinating process. realizing that you probably lose most of us in WL atm.

nowadays the game doesn't have such a drastic spread in build quality .. there just isn't enough folks out there building now. the game is completely stagnating at the coordinating level. it's why guys like ghuff can rotate through 3 or so AI's across DS and promote teams into WL and/or have a couple shots each season in the playoffs.

the folks that wanted a non-changing sim cuz we are out of beta ... newsflash - it's boring as shit! while i understand what bort/catch were wanting to accomplish (and i think it's worked persay) it has made the entire season quite dull. i know i'm not alone in that. the process is breaking down when there aren't new folks coming in and finding this all exciting and new and interesting.

unfortunately i do believe you need to push the dinosaurs out of WL and grow the game differently. this includes myself and most of the folks i like in this game

I hope they do push the WL crew out by simplifying the process more and taking a bit more control/power away from the WL coordinators and bridge that gap. Adding the extra sp, extra boosts and extra % ceq upgrade helped bridge the gap between dots some and it has definitely helped.Obviously there are differences between elite and good dots still but the difference isn't as game breaking as it was prior.

Making team building fun with more simulation/city building features, maybe some more achievement based things for dot builders and agents, expand on forum games with playoff bracket challenges, preseason predictions (points for each place you're off with a team and agent with lowest points wins end of season), maybe having current moderators or hire people with flex to do more than just lock/move threads but try to start discussions in league forums with ranking threads, talking about big games that just happened or are happening next, highlight threads and things like that. There is some kind of formula that figures out which plays are "top plays" for a player so maybe that gives it a point system that you can use to find the top 10 plays from each set of games and then the calendar week.

Your never going to make networks go away...
Most of the fun I have in this game is hanging with the people I hang with..

The only real bitch people have is that they are not in the top network....

GLB is like every other game out there in 1 manner .. everyone wants to win..

If a group of agents get together and share info and build plans and all that so be it.. Who the hell are we to tell that how to spend flex..

It's loads of work to put together a solid network... with the way people are leaving this game you pretty much have no choice but to group together with other dedicated players.. recruiting is a nightmare for many people.. A solid group of people playing together take the sting out of that..

Lets not forget how many time we ended up with a DOT on a team that got benched or not used or the owner goes awol 2 days after he recruits you.... IMO it's that kind of crap that pushes people into networks... Once you find a team or group of teams that fit your style of play.. why would you not want to stay with them....

I have NP that any group put together a great set of agents and cords... If that makes them better.. well that's kind of the point..

Bitching because they put the time in to build something that most people are too lazy to build...useless..
It's not like they are not putting the work in... The network didn't just happen.... Someone built it.. hats off to them!

Not enough VDA Talk... We are a network too damnit, we are also bad for the game...





For some reason I read this whole thread and Im not sure what people are bitching about. a Network is a group of people from different teams who join together, merging their dots and Coord skills to better their teams..

How is that any different that OFOTD? Its only a problem when it doesnt better any of your teams?

Just wondering who you can justify OFOTD? You had 2 teams in the WL between those 4-5 agents? Went pretty deep in the playoffs that season as well, seems like that merger was good for you?

How is it that so many people do not possess basic reading comprehension? This thread is not about the difficulties of learning the game or the lack of coordinators. Networks have nothing to do with that, and it's clearly not how "networks are hurting the game." The hoarding of resources by networks is the subject of this thread.


Originally posted by Toric
Most of the fun I have in this game is hanging with the people I hang with..
Sure, but that has nothing to do with networks either. When HCreek and bug03 brought dots to my team and kept me from quitting the game, we didn't form a "network." When Pariah and I joined teams back in s12 we didn't create a "network." When we asked Donovan Tatum to join us because he was tired of running a team by himself, we didn't create a "network." Networks like DS aren't about playing GLB with people you like. They're about controlling access to dots. They want to accumulate as many quality dots as possible and keep as many as possible away from everyone else.

Originally posted by
recruiting is a nightmare for many people
In large part because of networks.

Originally posted by
Bitching because they put the time in to build something that most people are too lazy to build
You don't think I would have the ability to put together a network if I wanted to? I have railed against them for 20+ seasons precisely because I have always been able to see that they were bad for GLB. Not only do they dramatically hurt competition and parity, but it goes against one of the very things that made GLB enjoyable early on which was playing with people you didn't really know that well. When I had a CB who didn't fit my defense at the time I gave him to Hali and ended up with Gturtle's pancakes recipe. When Asau got promoted to the WL I gave them my OL because snakes seemed really motivated to do well and I wanted to help them if I could. When my buddy markm needed some dots for the Austin Wineswilling Fancy Boys, I gave him different OL dots to use even though they had WL offers, and in the process I met a lot of great agents. By helping seahawk10 I met a lot of fun guys with Sumatra. By working with Pariah I met a lot of his friends from a Dolphins message board.

Networks definitely aren't the best way you meet worthwhile people. They're a way to isolate yourself and monopolize access to dots. Again, that's a sound and successful strategy, but it stinks for the game overall.

Originally posted by O' HappyCow
Just wondering who you can justify OFOTD? You had 2 teams in the WL between those 4-5 agents?
Naming the other team "OFOTD II: Autopsy Month" didn't clue you in that it was a joke making fun of networks? I had absolutely zero to do with that team in terms of dots or coordinating. That was all HCreek amusing himself.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Sure, but that has nothing to do with networks either. When HCreek and bug03 brought dots to my team and kept me from quitting the game, we didn't form a "network." When Pariah and I joined teams back in s12 we didn't create a "network." When we asked Donovan Tatum to join us because he was tired of running a team by himself, we didn't create a "network." Networks like DS aren't about playing GLB with people you like. They're about controlling access to dots. They want to accumulate as many quality dots as possible and keep as many as possible away from everyone else.


lol Call is what you want, But when Bug and Hcreek merged with you to created the 2 "one foot out the door" teams. thats no different than what networks do. I was recruiting Creeks OT at the time and he told me he was going to merge with you and bug and were going to do your own thing. Isnt that pooling resources from the masses? I dont see why you think thats different that what networks do. Just because you dont call it a network, doesnt mean it didnt act like one

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by O' HappyCow

Just wondering who you can justify OFOTD? You had 2 teams in the WL between those 4-5 agents?
Naming the other team "OFOTD II: Autopsy Month" didn't clue you in that it was a joke making fun of networks? I had absolutely zero to do with that team in terms of dots or coordinating. That was all HCreek amusing himself.

and? I dont have any dots on VDA or Coord for them, so we arent a network? Take the tin foil hat off. If people dont sign with you its because they think you are a crybaby douche, not because the networks are snagging them all up.

Originally posted by O' HappyCow
lol Call is what you want, But when Bug and Hcreek merged with you to created the 2 "one foot out the door" teams. thats no different than what networks do. I was recruiting Creeks OT at the time and he told me he was going to merge with you and bug and were going to do your own thing. Isnt that pooling resources from the masses? I dont see why you think thats different that what networks do. Just because you dont call it a network, doesnt mean it didnt act like one
See the post above yours and spend as much times as it takes thinking about that until you comprehend it. I understand that it will probably take you a while, so we'll wait.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by O' HappyCow

lol Call is what you want, But when Bug and Hcreek merged with you to created the 2 "one foot out the door" teams. thats no different than what networks do. I was recruiting Creeks OT at the time and he told me he was going to merge with you and bug and were going to do your own thing. Isnt that pooling resources from the masses? I dont see why you think thats different that what networks do. Just because you dont call it a network, doesnt mean it didnt act like one
See the post above yours and spend as much times as it takes thinking about that until you comprehend it. I understand that it will probably take you a while, so we'll wait.


Speaking of taking a while to get stuff, How is it that you still dont understand how networks work? Because you dont have the slightest clue how networks work. You are assuming every network is run the same was DS runs their network. Not all networks have people who builds 100's of dots.

Originally posted by O' HappyCow
and? I dont have any dots on VDA or Coord for them, so we arent a network? Take the tin foil hat off. If people dont sign with you its because they think you are a crybaby douche, not because the networks are snagging them all up.
Do you ever read anything before you post or are you simply so "challenged" that you can't understand words without some sort of pictures to go along with them? Read this again:
Originally posted by jdbolick
And I'm actually lucky. People know my name and can see my success, so I can recruit dots as a one man show. I feel bad for recruiters trying to make the WL for the first time.

I have never had problems with recruiting. I've taken my team to the WL and repeatedly made the playoffs there with the scraps that all other WL teams didn't want. I've also had incredible success recruiting this off-season, including having dots sign with my team over taking WL offers. Because you are a selfish, small-minded person you cannot comprehend any notion more complicated than how something affects you. Fortunately I can see a bigger picture.

can we go back to talking about how great i am yet never win when it matters?

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by O' HappyCow

and? I dont have any dots on VDA or Coord for them, so we arent a network? Take the tin foil hat off. If people dont sign with you its because they think you are a crybaby douche, not because the networks are snagging them all up.
Do you ever read anything before you post or are you simply so "challenged" that you can't understand words without some sort of pictures to go along with them? Read this again:
Originally posted by jdbolick

And I'm actually lucky. People know my name and can see my success, so I can recruit dots as a one man show. I feel bad for recruiters trying to make the WL for the first time.

I have never had problems with recruiting. I've taken my team to the WL and repeatedly made the playoffs there with the scraps that all other WL teams didn't want. I've also had incredible success recruiting this off-season, including having dots sign with my team over taking WL offers. Because you are a selfish, small-minded person you cannot comprehend any notion more complicated than how something affects you. Fortunately I can see a bigger picture.

You have been bitching about networks for as long as they have been around. My argument has little to do with this thread in general and more about your hate on networks.

You said that when creek and bug merged with you, it kept you from quitting the game. well you dont think networks have stopped people from quitting. Because if it wasnt for VDA I would have quit a while ago. They have been a huge help to me and others. Networks arent bad. If there were more teams in Pro good enough to keep the crappier DS teams out of the WL, the WL wouldnt be filled with 6 WL teams every season.

Originally posted by O' HappyCow
You have been bitching about networks for as long as they have been around.
Correct. I've been bitching about networks during the whole time I was having prolonged success in the WL. I've been bitching about them even when I didn't need any dots, even when I was constantly making the playoffs, even when I was making WL title games and even after I won one. Do you see now why I get annoyed that your brain can't comprehend that my complaints are not about how networks affect me?

Originally posted by
If there were more teams in Pro good enough to keep the crappier DS teams out of the WL, the WL wouldnt be filled with 6 WL teams every season.
There can't be Pro teams good enough because DS doesn't let their WL quality dots that aren't needed for the WL teams play for anyone else. So the DS teams that they don't even care about end up having better dots than half of their WL competition. That's the point. *sigh* What characterizes a true "network" and what makes it harmful is that hoarding of resources. As I've said, DS is being discussed simply because they're by far the best at it and therefore the one producing the most effect.

Bollick, Are you going to make this thread every season you dont get the dots you want? Your inflated narcissism is not allowing you to realize that your team isnt the best option for every dot.