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Originally posted by kevoncox
Your post about your way or its ruined was what I responded to.
You say 160 speed will cut it but 157 (102 + 55) will noto_O
I had already said, as I was going thru this build I continued to multi train some of the less important attributes way too long.
I have rectify that and will start at day 160 to ensure I hit the # of Bts needed.
So my 3 speed difference needs to be addressed...what else is wrong with the build?
I can show you the SA's if you like. I think its solid and with the right tweaking...can be impressive.
Thinking outside the box is sometimes difficult but also rewarding. Last week you were championing Intense training, this week you are all about normal training. What's changed? The spread of ideas me thinks.

You can't get +55 from EQ with one or two AE. +55 requires 3 AE, which requires at least 1000 BTs (900 to upgrade and 100+ for purchase of AE).

Thus, for the build you posted, you are looking at 154 Speed if you are lucky enough to get two great rolls and can get 2 AE, or 151 Speed if you end up with only 1 AE.

You said you ended with 676 bonus tokens......you can't get 3 pieces of AE (+55) from 676 tokens.....what am I missing?

Originally posted by whodey08
Your looking at "now" whereas we are looking at an "end build" and our way will have a better end build than your way. Again.....we can back up our claims with our success......can you? Played in WL? OC or DC in WL? Even Pro level? Show us where your way has had success in the big leagues?

Best I can see without diving into things too much is you haven't done shit since season 7....that's 23 seasons with no success!!!

Like I said, you just changed your opinion on how to build your dots. Whats success do you have on your new method?
WL? OC? DC? Pro level? Show me your success has brought you success in the Pro league?
Two sided street?

Lets she what my way has brought me
1. Enjoyment of the game. I'm not sitting 4 days with nothing to do with my dot except watching a game or two.
2. A mental challenge. I find it rewarding to run algorithms on potential builds over and over trying to squeeze out that last piece of SP. I guess I can just sit and blindly belief someone that made it tot he WL because the WL is the end all source of all info even though you may be riding the pine in the WL. Especially since you have "discovered" a new training methodology in the last week.

Again these are attacks. Its just the god honest truth. You have shared a ton of info and I am grateful for that. I have applied it to a lot that I do. Thanks for the help on the DT build topic I posted. However, we have to admit that this game has a moving target and what worked last week may not work in season 36. You yourself is proof that sometimes a WL vet can learn new tricks.

Originally posted by whodey08
You said you ended with 676 bonus tokens......you can't get 3 pieces of AE (+55) from 676 tokens.....what am I missing?

Where I said I trained on MT till day 220 just to say where I could get stamina and carrying.
I could have knocked those two out sooner. Remove speed from training and receiving a 6% increase and started training The others earlier to get to Cap. Get the required tokens and live happily ever after.

Originally posted by kevoncox
Like I said, you just changed your opinion on how to build your dots. Whats success do you have on your new method?
WL? OC? DC? Pro level? Show me your success has brought you success in the Pro league?
Two sided street?

Lets she what my way has brought me
1. Enjoyment of the game. I'm not sitting 4 days with nothing to do with my dot except watching a game or two.
2. A mental challenge. I find it rewarding to run algorithms on potential builds over and over trying to squeeze out that last piece of SP. I guess I can just sit and blindly belief someone that made it tot he WL because the WL is the end all source of all info even though you may be riding the pine in the WL. Especially since you have "discovered" a new training methodology in the last week.

Again these are attacks. Its just the god honest truth. You have shared a ton of info and I am grateful for that. I have applied it to a lot that I do. Thanks for the help on the DT build topic I posted. However, we have to admit that this game has a moving target and what worked last week may not work in season 36. You yourself is proof that sometimes a WL vet can learn new tricks.

My success:

5 MVP's
45 league champions

Have had dots in WL and Pro.

I have a ton to learn yet.....but i will learn from those who have proven to be successful.

Nevermind....I said I wasn't wasting any more time and yet I am. Best of luck to you man.

Originally posted by whodey08
My success:

5 MVP's
18 league champions
Have had dots in WL and Pro.
Nevermind....I said I wasn't wasting any more time and yet I am. Best of luck to you man.


How many dots have gotten to WL since you changed to this build method?
That was my question... you didn't answer it.
Answer 0. You changed it last week.
Your prior experience is impressive.

I found that smiley faces help to soften emotions and covey to people that I am not attacking them.
I'm a believer that you can learn from any and everyone. When you close off your mind to only those who have done it... It stifles innovation. Someone has to be the guy that says... what if we do this this way the first time. Everyone can tell you how to do it, but they never did it right? Would you listen to my advice that you clearly think is wrong if I had 20 WL players going? Its just a game and a conversation. Please don't feel frustrated on attacked.

opps forgot the

Originally posted by kevoncox
How many dots have gotten to WL since you changed to this build method?
That was my question... you didn't answer it.
Answer 0. You changed it last week.
Your prior experience is impressive.

I found that smiley faces help to soften emotions and covey to people that I am not attacking them.

The change I am making is based on someone having more success than me so I am willing to try something and the only change is training on normal instead of intense til I hit my 3rd cap.....but the multi training aspect of things that we are trying to discuss with you will not change at all.

I am not trying a method from someone who has less success than me.

Originally posted by whodey08
The change I am making is based on someone having more success than me and the only change is training on normal instead of intense til I hit my 3rd cap.....but the multi training aspect of things that we are trying to discuss with you will not change at all.


I see. You see it as a small tweak. Others might call it a change in philosophy.
However, I understand you. No one has addressed my point about training in the off season though.
Have you noticed I like to use numbers in my explanations? Sometimes facts and rationals get people all upset.

Originally posted by whodey08

I am not trying a method from someone who has less success than me.


I'm not asking you too
Simply explaining that It wouldn't ruin my dot.
See what I did there?

Originally posted by kevoncox
However, I understand you. No one has addressed my point about training in the off season though.
Multiple people have explained that it makes no sense. Training during the off-season doesn't give any difference in values than training during the season. During the period between creation and taking your first attribute to the third cap, your focus needs to be on increasing that first attribute as quickly as possible. After that your only focus should be on multi-training (as that gives the best values by far) or light training to accrue bonus tokens.

Originally posted by whodey08
My success:

5 MVP's
45 league champions

Have had dots in WL and Pro.



Oh yea?

8 MVP's

39 League Champions (damn you got me there)

114 Silvers !!!

I had a dot in WL and have quite a few in pro

I will admit I am horrible at GLB though

and I am just attempting to derail the original discussion and make it about me

Originally posted by kevoncox
Originally posted by whodey08

You said you ended with 676 bonus tokens......you can't get 3 pieces of AE (+55) from 676 tokens.....what am I missing?

Where I said I trained on MT till day 220 just to say where I could get stamina and carrying.
I could have knocked those two out sooner. Remove speed from training and receiving a 6% increase and started training The others earlier to get to Cap. Get the required tokens and live happily ever after.

then re-do it and re-post and show the build you plan to get while getting the needed bonus tokens

Originally posted by kevoncox

Is it getting clearer why I do it.

As clear as mud. What you are saying makes no sense. You cannot get your 2nd attribute to the first cap before totally finishing with your first (in terms of SPs, training will continue of course). At most you can get there at the same time. In such case, what does it matter if you trained your secondary in intense or not? You gain 3 SP-value now to lose around 3x11 = 33 SP-value later, for a total loss of 30 SP-value. If this is a good trade to you, fine, keep doing it. It is still far from ideal and far from efficient.

Originally posted by
This then helps me get to the first cap of my 2nd attribute faster and using less SP from levels 20+ to do so.
No, it does not. You will get to the cap at the exact same day OR you will have abandoned your primary too soon. Either way, your player will be losing efficiency.

Originally posted by
During the season, I go back to MT
Which still MAKES NO FRIGGIN SENSE!!! WHY?! Why do you do it? Why is there a difference between season or offseason, the gains are exactly equal!!!

Originally posted by
I have seen where putting an attribute on a cap a day later, is capable of making a huge alteration to the final points of the DOT. You guys contain a wealth of knowledge but I think I am well aware of some of little tricks here or there than makes all the difference in a build.
To prove that, please provide us the total build value of that player whose build you posted. Until then, we can't prove you wrong, and you definitely can't prove us wrong. WE NEED THAT NUMBER.

So, instead of wasting more time, either help yourself by providing the number so we can show you how much you are losing OR don't do it, but please be aware that you not wanting to spend 3 days without something to do is hurting your player -> A LOT <- in the long run.

Whatever you choose is ok, just so long as you choose.

EDIT: Also, please stop this talk about the WL. Being there doesn't mean you can build elite dots and not being there does not mean you can't. Build theory is independent on how far your players have been in the game. It is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Hagalaz
EDIT: Also, please stop this talk about the WL. Being there doesn't mean you can build elite dots
Being there for multiple seasons does.

Originally posted by Hagalaz

To prove that, please provide us the total build value of that player whose build you posted. Until then, we can't prove you wrong, and you definitely can't prove us wrong. WE NEED THAT NUMBER.


I will tonight.
Here is the only issue, I can't run a day 40 build and boost 3 times and another 3 in my first season.
So this will be a build with a 3X boost at the end of his life span.