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Originally posted by sehorn31
Originally posted by JcWildcat

Originally posted by sehorn31


We can't vote on when Sim changes happen

You do realize this is Bort's game right?


You do realize without us die hard Agents, Bort's Game would be played by Catch, DD and himself!! What a silly thing to say from a Mod!! To hear that makes me what to say he can have his Game and I'll spend my $$ elsewhere!! Your not doing Bort any favors with that Comment JC and tbh, I wouldn't expect that from you!!

well it is his game. Sorry if it came out harsh, but we shouldn't be able to vote on stuff he wants to do to his game lol and many of the changes he's done HAS been b/c of agents on the site wanting it. So, although we don't get a specified vote, he DOES take user base into account with changes.

He takes his userbase into account far more than any other site I've seen.

edit: and Mods are part of the user base also. Mods sometimes say stuff more harsh than they mean it, we aren't robots lol

I do agree with that JC and I started to say something about how good Bort has been about listening to people and trying to make the changes that would help "OUR" Game. I'm very grateful he made this Game and just don't want to see it go under!! I have been a loyal fan for 4 years now and still love to play this game. Can't we all just get along, lol?

But with that in mind...Just let the Dots change all there VA's if they want to each Season. What is it really hurting and if you don't want to change them, Don't!! It's that simple but the option to do so would be in the best interests of all who Play the Game.

Originally posted by sehorn31
It's that simple but the option to do so would be in the best interests of all who Play the Game.

No, not really. People screaming for things in the main forums "in the best interest of ALL who play the game is why things are in the shape they're in.

Maybe so Dub, Still don't see a valid reason NOT to give a a Full VA Reset every Off Season?

Originally posted by Myd
Lol.. no plateau for me huh? Ok.. lol..

Anyways.. lets look at your reasoning here. You claim that the lack of resets keeps you from being competitive at higher leagues. Well, assuming your opponents are in the same league... the lack of resets wouldn't affect your competitiveness one bit as they are facing the same "limitations" as you are.

I still see it as a non issue as Bort gives a complete reset for VAs that are drastically changed and enough reset points in general to overcome your inability to plan your dots future. If you built the dot right in the first place, you shouldn't need the resets. The only reason you should use all resets if you built right and safe, in my opinion, is a significant change to a dot's role such as going from starter to STOP. And even that isn't that hard to do.

Dots aren't meant to last forever. There is incentive to start over. That's why there is decline. Plateau was designed to give a person a short reprieve before decline started.

OK let me list the ways you're wrong.

First off, plateau was created because people were sick of the fact dawts were built, hit the max and only had one or two seasons at the top before all their work was deemed useless. People wanted to have an active life for their dawts at the top, much like a professional player to the sorts.

I never said it was because I couldn't remain competitive. It's because the sim changes every season and if you actually competed at the top (which we've already established you haven't), you'd realize that every season the minor tweaks in the sim create much larger VA changes than 15 VP allow. Not to mention, switching teams, schemes, etc etc to roll with the sim can force players to simply get thrown away because they have 1 VA too much that needs resetting. This allows groups or networks with large collections of players to roll with the punches much better.

Your only response is you feel Bort has given enough for you to not have to reset. Well I'm glad you're happy with being below average at something you spend your time and money on, but some of us aren't. I could've left HW on my DT for seasons, but I realized it was useless and moved on. The the new sim rolls around and you could argue it's a little more feasible again. I'm sure some people just stayed with their VAs on their players forever but that doesn't mean they're doing it right.

Originally posted by Dub J
I've never had a dot in plateau?


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I just kind of lumped you two kids together and since I know you've never had a plateau dawt worth anything... it all comes out the same to me.

I srsly equate both your guys' attitude to "well I don't have fun at the top because it's not for me so therefore no one is allowed to have fun up there".

I've never seen a group of people fight so hard for something that has 0 consequences on this game or their experience within it. This benefits everyone. The lower leagues could arguably be more competitive because people who build for plateau aren't going to sit there naked without VAs for seasons on seasons because they won't get resets at the top. Those less informed can test things out at the lower leagues so that maybe they learn to adapt and enjoy the tweaking and get better... We get more competition at the top and middle and voila everyone is happy...

You guys argue this game is shit at certain parts but you have 0 concept on how to fix it for everyone. And when someone throws an idea that benefits everyone and I mean everyone... you incessantly fight it because you think the person bringing it up is an asshole. Get that grade school shit out of here.

Originally posted by Homage


OK let me list the ways you're wrong.

First off, plateau was created because people were sick of the fact dawts were built, hit the max and only had one or two seasons at the top before all their work was deemed useless. People wanted to have an active life for their dawts at the top, much like a professional player to the sorts.

I never said it was because I couldn't remain competitive. It's because the sim changes every season and if you actually competed at the top (which we've already established you haven't), you'd realize that every season the minor tweaks in the sim create much larger VA changes than 15 VP allow. Not to mention, switching teams, schemes, etc etc to roll with the sim can force players to simply get thrown away because they have 1 VA too much that needs resetting. This allows groups or networks with large collections of players to roll with the punches much better.

Your only response is you feel Bort has given enough for you to not have to reset. Well I'm glad you're happy with being below average at something you spend your time and money on, but some of us aren't. I could've left HW on my DT for seasons, but I realized it was useless and moved on. The the new sim rolls around and you could argue it's a little more feasible again. I'm sure some people just stayed with their VAs on their players forever but that doesn't mean they're doing it right.


I just kind of lumped you two kids together and since I know you've never had a plateau dawt worth anything... it all comes out the same to me.

I srsly equate both your guys' attitude to "well I don't have fun at the top because it's not for me so therefore no one is allowed to have fun up there".

I've never seen a group of people fight so hard for something that has 0 consequences on this game or their experience within it. This benefits everyone. The lower leagues could arguably be more competitive because people who build for plateau aren't going to sit there naked without VAs for seasons on seasons because they won't get resets at the top. Those less informed can test things out at the lower leagues so that maybe they learn to adapt and enjoy the tweaking and get better... We get more competition at the top and middle and voila everyone is happy...


Again, Why not let us have a Full VA Reset, No Agent, Team, or Network is going to gain an advantage over anyone by this!! If anything, it will help balance things out more and make things more competitive!! Unless...the Agents that don't want this spend more time than most can on here and already know what works and want to keep having that advantage over the new "average joe" Agents that truthfully have hardly no chance against Network Teams that are already established!! You guys are basically discouraging new Agents that what to try this Game out. They make a Team and try to Recruit the hard way and have no fun because they can't compete and quit...Really? But you guys know what's "best" for the Game's future...Com' on Man!!!

this thread delivers no doubt. if me and Yello1 were going at it like this one of us would have been threatened with a ban by now.

anyway onto the subject at hand I don't really see the need for a full reset each and every season. most people usually keep their dots on the same team at the upper levels or atleast most people I know on the game do. with that said I also do not see how it could hurt to have the reset each season. with a reset it would allow teams to refocus certain dots to do different things to some extent.

so I guess a +1 from me because it really doesn't matter one way or the other in reality. if you have a crappy dot it isn't going to help him much. and if you have a great dot it isn't going to help him a ton either.

Originally posted by sehorn31
Originally posted by Homage



OK let me list the ways you're wrong.

First off, plateau was created because people were sick of the fact dawts were built, hit the max and only had one or two seasons at the top before all their work was deemed useless. People wanted to have an active life for their dawts at the top, much like a professional player to the sorts.

I never said it was because I couldn't remain competitive. It's because the sim changes every season and if you actually competed at the top (which we've already established you haven't), you'd realize that every season the minor tweaks in the sim create much larger VA changes than 15 VP allow. Not to mention, switching teams, schemes, etc etc to roll with the sim can force players to simply get thrown away because they have 1 VA too much that needs resetting. This allows groups or networks with large collections of players to roll with the punches much better.

Your only response is you feel Bort has given enough for you to not have to reset. Well I'm glad you're happy with being below average at something you spend your time and money on, but some of us aren't. I could've left HW on my DT for seasons, but I realized it was useless and moved on. The the new sim rolls around and you could argue it's a little more feasible again. I'm sure some people just stayed with their VAs on their players forever but that doesn't mean they're doing it right.


I just kind of lumped you two kids together and since I know you've never had a plateau dawt worth anything... it all comes out the same to me.

I srsly equate both your guys' attitude to "well I don't have fun at the top because it's not for me so therefore no one is allowed to have fun up there".

I've never seen a group of people fight so hard for something that has 0 consequences on this game or their experience within it. This benefits everyone. The lower leagues could arguably be more competitive because people who build for plateau aren't going to sit there naked without VAs for seasons on seasons because they won't get resets at the top. Those less informed can test things out at the lower leagues so that maybe they learn to adapt and enjoy the tweaking and get better... We get more competition at the top and middle and voila everyone is happy...


Again, Why not let us have a Full VA Reset, No Agent, Team, or Network is going to gain an advantage over anyone by this!! If anything, it will help balance things out more and make things more competitive!! Unless...the Agents that don't want this spend more time than most can on here and already know what works and want to keep having that advantage over the new "average joe" Agents that truthfully have hardly no chance against Network Teams that are already established!! You guys are basically discouraging new Agents that what to try this Game out. They make a Team and try to Recruit the hard way and have no fun because they can't compete and quit...Really? But you guys know what's "best" for the Game's future...Com' on Man!!!

while I will agree with some stuff you are saying your argument actually almost sways me towards Dub J's side. all of us had to come up through the ranks especially all the season 1 and season 2 vets. so what you see is best for the game may be a little different than others. just because new agents get some lumps learning the game isn't what makes them quit. and giving new people everything that the older agents had to work for isn't exactly fair either.

And for the Record, I have never even spoken with Homage but funny we both feel the same way and have the same reasoning behind a change that will help the Game's future and all I hear from the ones that gave this a -1 is, "I've been here longer than other's and I like things the way they are"!! That's not good enough Trolls!! I want to hear why it IS a bad idea. This Forum is for posting and debating suggestions, Not.. Cause I don't want change.

Originally posted by Homage
you incessantly fight it because you think the person bringing it up is an asshole. Get that grade school shit out of here.
Please point out where I called you an asshole. Just because I don't like your idea doesn't mean I don't like you. I think you just need a hug.


Originally posted by Homage
Your only response is you feel Bort has given enough for you to not have to reset. Well I'm glad you're happy with being below average at something you spend your time and money on, but some of us aren't. I could've left HW on my DT for seasons, but I realized it was useless and moved on. The the new sim rolls around and you could argue it's a little more feasible again. I'm sure some people just stayed with their VAs on their players forever but that doesn't mean they're doing it right.

Again, if your competition is playing under the same rules and if your dots are below average, then its your fault.

Originally posted by Homage

I've never seen a group of people fight so hard for something that has 0 consequences on this game or their experience within it. .

To be honest, not really putting much effort into this fight as I'm doubtful that you will get far with this idea.

Originally posted by Homage
First off, plateau was created because people were sick of the fact dawts were built, hit the max and only had one or two seasons at the top before all their work was deemed useless. People wanted to have an active life for their dawts at the top, much like a professional player to the sorts.

There are plenty of aging "professional players" in the NFL or, for that matter any sport, that simply can't adapt to new playbooks or systems. There are even more players that play past the point where they should have hung up the cleats.

So.. I reiterate.. someone needs a hug..

It isn't fair what happened to the USC Player's with the Reggie Bush mess but they'll get over it Hatch, lol.

You make a good point Myd but what about that Zone Corner that has lost a step and they move him to FS late in his Career? I wished my Giants would have done that with Sehorn, lol. The Safety will need VA's that a Corner might not, Like a Coverage Zone CB might not need 15 Sure Tackler but put his ass back there @ FS and see what happens without!!

Originally posted by sehorn31
You make a good point Myd but what about that Zone Corner that has lost a step and they move him to FS late in his Career? I wished my Giants would have done that with Sehorn, lol. The Safety will need VA's that a Corner might not, Like a Coverage Zone CB might not need 15 Sure Tackler but put his ass back there @ FS and see what happens without!!

Would that be considered, in reality, a "complete reset"? I wouldn't think so to be honest. And you would expect to see a learning curve for a season which would mimic partial resets over two seasons.

What I'm gettin @ is some CB's might not be fast as the younger guys and you might want to keep him around and just change his role on the Team since he has been loyal for however many Seasons. Just things like that. Again...Why Not? If it wouldn't help or hurt, then why does it matter? Give us the option. I ask every Player right from the get go when they come to a Team I Coach ( Which I try to get the ones during Recruiting that has the Va's most like I want them and that is a pain in the ass in it's self because I know they can only change 15), Please wait to reset your VA's till we see what we got and where everyone is going to Play. If we can work together as a Team and get everything sorted out with a Full VA Reset, Why is this bad for the Game?