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Originally posted by We_Rule
The better owners don't have this problem (well, except Wise's Hedgehogs I guess......lol). I think it has been brought up here somewhere, but it is no coincidence that the better owners in the game do not have the chem issues you complain about every season, because the players tend to want to stay there versus saying "get me off this scrub team immediately".

Win more, make more people happy, and you wont have this issue.


 
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Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
you aren't losing the 1st 3 games because of chemistry. You lose because you don't understand the basics on how to actually win. using the right AI is 1000x more important than chemistry. Even IF your idiotic assumption that you'll loe the 1st 3 games were true, would still only need to go 9-4 the rest of the season to make the playoffs. Based on your incredible records last season, I believe that half the posters here could take a cpu team and beat you.


There really needs to be a pumping fist smilely.

Its not about me. Anything you say to that point is irrelevant.

Now, are you suggesting that it would be equally easy for any team to win with a 2-9% reduction to its player's skills or attributes than it would be without the penalty?

Would you care to release 22 of your players every single season and resign them to test that ludicrous hypothesis Einstein?

LOL wut?

You don't own any teams and all you are on any real level team is a Special Teams Coach????

Well, guess you can't back up that theory. If you ever run a team, do come in here and show us how you cycled players to get that chemistry penalty so you would win more with it.
 
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The point is to not cycle through players so much. ldo.


Tho I find it funny that this "isn't about you" when clearly you are the one having the trouble with it.
 
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Originally posted by bhall43
Except it is. The guys at the bottom of the conferences have far greater problems than chemistry.


Originally posted by We_Rule
The better owners don't have this problem (well, except Wise's Hedgehogs I guess......lol). I think it has been brought up here somewhere, but it is no coincidence that the better owners in the game do not have the chem issues you complain about every season, because the players tend to want to stay there versus saying "get me off this scrub team immediately".

Win more, make more people happy, and you wont have this issue.


Check out my conference. The facts put the lie to your assessments.

Or hey, check out World League....four teams with worse chemistry than mine. Boy those guys suck as owners obviously.

C-Town MF'n Hood - 56
East Coast Egos - 81
GD: Chicago Outfit - 92
Richey Royals - 78
Dong Energy - 71
Alpine - 76
Excel Spreadsheets - 98
Gridiron Body Count - 34
South Side Mafia - 68
Nairobi Warthogs - 73
Venom Dotball Academy - 64
Odessa Mojo - 71
Oslofjorden Seagulls - 75
Krungthep Garudas - 53
Nashville Hounds - 66
Victoria Teabaggers - 59

As for it not having an impact, lets see how true it is next season.
 
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Originally posted by bhall43
The point is to not cycle through players so much. ldo.


Tho I find it funny that this "isn't about you" when clearly you are the one having the trouble with it.


I am the one posting suggestions on how to fix it.

That does not logically make me the only one who has "trouble" with it.

It just makes me more vocal.

I am sure the guy with 15 chemistry is frakking thrilled with his team's chances.

As for not cycling through players, one the game is about football cycling through players is the norm for the sport post free agency (or in all lower tiers always). Secondly, with decline you are going to lose at least 20% of your roster every season (or 100% every five seasons).

Which means that any loss to free agency or inactivity is going to put you into the "cycling players" routine.

And people being people (inactives, flutter by tourist free agents, and the self feeding loop of bad chemistry makes bad record that drives dots away that makes bad chemistry - did you really miss the wall of cycle above?), unless you are in a tight network, or a solo owner, you will always be cycling players or if not always at least often enough that its going to leave you vulnerable to the chemistry down cycle.
Edited by yello1 on Jun 8, 2012 20:29:26
 
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Originally posted by bhall43
The point is to not cycle through players so much. ldo.


Tho I find it funny that this "isn't about you" when clearly you are the one having the trouble with it.


Oh and I see you OC the Porto Alegre Smugglers who have a chemistry only a few points higher than my team, at 66, and co-own the Lake Opeta Legionnaires at 69 as well and the OffTopica Atheists (:angry at 23.

Lets see how you do over your first games of the season, shall we?

 
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Originally posted by yello1
Originally posted by bhall43

The point is to not cycle through players so much. ldo.


Tho I find it funny that this "isn't about you" when clearly you are the one having the trouble with it.


Oh and I see you OC the Porto Alegre Smugglers who have a chemistry only a few points higher than my team, at 66, and co-own the Lake Opeta Legionnaires at 69 as well and the OffTopica Atheists (:angry at 23.

Lets see how you do over your first games of the season, shall we?



Willing to bet bhall's teams all make the playoffs. Regardless of how they perform in their first couple of games.

Also willing to bet that the majority of yours do not. Wanna know why? Clue: has nothing to do with chemistry.

Furthermore posting frakking instead of fucking is impolite because it is a terrible bit of linguistic magic you are performing on all of us. See, every time you type frakking it is read by the person reading as "Hey this dude is saying fucking but slightly disguising it." Which means I still read the word you intended but you made my brain do unnecessary work for no justifiable reason. It's like those jerks who say the "N" word when we all know full well what they mean.
 
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Originally posted by merenoise
Willing to bet bhall's teams all make the playoffs. Regardless of how they perform in their first couple of games.

Also willing to bet that the majority of yours do not. Wanna know why? Clue: has nothing to do with chemistry.

Furthermore posting frakking instead of fucking is impolite because it is a terrible bit of linguistic magic you are performing on all of us. See, every time you type frakking it is read by the person reading as "Hey this dude is saying fucking but slightly disguising it." Which means I still read the word you intended but you made my brain do unnecessary work for no justifiable reason. It's like those jerks who say the "N" word when we all know full well what they mean.


May well be that his teams make the playoffs, who knows what his leagues look like or what his schedule looks like, maybe his first 10 games are all against cake clubs. May be that mine do or dont, they often do actually.

But it doesnt matter because that is not the point.

The point is Chemistry positively effects the chances of winning a game. Doesnt mean you have to lose, the foe could have bad chemistry or be a much worse team or coach and two percent is not enough to over come that. But it is idiotic to say it can not make a difference in closer games.

Frakking fact is that if having a two percent penalty to your team DOESNT make a difference, then why have the system at all?

And I just like Frakking.

Its from a show. About the only thing in the show that was amusing, but its pretty amusing.

Whoa did you say you would bet they ALL do?????

The one with 23 chemistry will not.
Edited by yello1 on Jun 8, 2012 21:10:39
 
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Originally posted by yello1
Originally posted by merenoise

Willing to bet bhall's teams all make the playoffs. Regardless of how they perform in their first couple of games.

Also willing to bet that the majority of yours do not. Wanna know why? Clue: has nothing to do with chemistry.

Furthermore posting frakking instead of fucking is impolite because it is a terrible bit of linguistic magic you are performing on all of us. See, every time you type frakking it is read by the person reading as "Hey this dude is saying fucking but slightly disguising it." Which means I still read the word you intended but you made my brain do unnecessary work for no justifiable reason. It's like those jerks who say the "N" word when we all know full well what they mean.


May well be that his teams make the playoffs, who knows what his leagues look like or what his schedule looks like, maybe his first 10 games are all against cake clubs. May be that mine do or dont, they often do actually.

But it doesnt matter because that is not the point.

The point is Chemistry positively effects the chances of winning a game. Doesnt mean you have to lose, the foe could have bad chemistry or be a much worse team or coach and two percent is not enough to over come that. But it is idiotic to say it can not make a difference in closer games.

Frakking fact is that if having a two percent penalty to your team DOESNT make a difference, then why have the system at all?

And I just like Frakking.

Its from a show. About the only thing in the show that was amusing, but its pretty amusing.

Whoa did you say you would bet they ALL do?????

The one with 23 chemistry will not.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=830

that team?

regional casual pro #4

I bet they make the playoffs if they are actually attempting to try
 
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Originally posted by reddogrw
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=830

that team?

regional casual pro #4

I bet they make the playoffs if they are actually attempting to try


Yeah unless Envy goes silly, very silly, with the AI, they should be in the playoffs nigh on to guarranteed.

Miracle and Word are dicier.

 
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Originally posted by yello1
Oh and I see you OC the Porto Alegre Smugglers who have a chemistry only a few points higher than my team, at 66, and co-own the Lake Opeta Legionnaires at 69 as well and the OffTopica Atheists (:angry at 23.

Lets see how you do over your first games of the season, shall we?




Any team bhall is associated with will outperform one you're in charge of--that's kind of the point of the resistance to your suggestion. "Chemistry" is only a problem for teams that really aren't on top of their game to begin with.
 
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Originally posted by yello1
Oh and I see you OC the Porto Alegre Smugglers who have a chemistry only a few points higher than my team, at 66, and co-own the Lake Opeta Legionnaires at 69 as well and the OffTopica Atheists (:angry at 23.

Lets see how you do over your first games of the season, shall we?



LOL will have no problems at all. And I don't OC Porto. Haven't in many seasons.
 
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Originally posted by yello1
Check out my conference. The facts put the lie to your assessments.

Or hey, check out World League....four teams with worse chemistry than mine. Boy those guys suck as owners obviously.

C-Town MF'n Hood - 56
East Coast Egos - 81
GD: Chicago Outfit - 92
Richey Royals - 78
Dong Energy - 71
Alpine - 76
Excel Spreadsheets - 98
Gridiron Body Count - 34
South Side Mafia - 68
Nairobi Warthogs - 73
Venom Dotball Academy - 64
Odessa Mojo - 71
Oslofjorden Seagulls - 75
Krungthep Garudas - 53
Nashville Hounds - 66
Victoria Teabaggers - 59

As for it not having an impact, lets see how true it is next season.


Look at all those networks that are cycling 11 players. >_<
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader

Any team bhall is associated with will outperform one you're in charge of--that's kind of the point of the resistance to your suggestion. "Chemistry" is only a problem for teams that really aren't on top of their game to begin with.


So chemistry doesnt matter then.

Why should we have the system then????

If the two percent is meaningless, why bother?

You are right. I should edit the OP to "Chemistry is too weak, lets get rid of it."

Thanks, I see the light now.

Okay, now that the stupid is out of the way, lets be real. Chemistry effects an actual no bullsht minus to everything your team does of some percentage value. There is zero chances in heck that this would not impact a "good team''s chances of winning a game that was otherwise evenly matched. Thats called simple logic anyone with an IQ over 100 should be able to see as truth.

Chemistry is only not a problem to the more powerful teams because of the imbalance between them and the lower teams. That imbalance is not because the better teams have larger penis, its because the system fucks over the teams that have lost in the past or who are pick up teams. This keeps them down.

Chemistry is one such thing that keeps them down.

Its a large part of the problem game design wise with it. The Rich Get Richer, the Poor Get Poorer.

That is how you wind up with the "1%" being the only percent left in your customer base.

Since Bort probably would like to keep the whole 100% paying him, I would strongly suggest that chemistry be toned down, per the OP.

As it is, this dot paid for this seasons chemistry hit. Very sad, he had another season in him but I ain't buying flex for this. So he had to go.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1912018
 
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