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Originally posted by NiborRis
It was a pain in the ass when I compiled the list in the OP no matter what way I did it.
Basically cosmetic changes like adding an organization name to the front I'm not sweating; whatever name appears on the team now is fine. It's not worth my trouble to go find out when they changed the name and if they ever played in WL under that name. Just because you hate the name "Globedotters" doesn't mean it isn't their team name.
Things like Providence -> Death Star I've tried to keep the original name this time around. Things like Omerta playing one season as Omerta and then the next season as Warsaw Wrath, and Warsaw Wrath playing a season as The Wrath...well, I just do what I can. Same with Drinkin/MoD.

Really I don't care about the team name at all, the team ID is the team. Anything else requires judgement calls I don't feel like making, especially because I rarely know wtf anyone is doing with their team movement over the seasons. The WL team Indianapolis Gurupies never played in USAPL. The SAPL team Santiago Benitos has never been in WL. it's just easier to make a hard and fast rule.
Listing Providence as "The Death Star" is fucking retarded, though. Given that the box scores tell you the original name of the teams, it's not hard at all to list teams by the names they actually played under. Since GLB has spanned multiple years and teams go through various incarnations and ownership changes, it just seems pretty ridiculous to go by current names instead of the ones that actually appeared in the World League. It's idiotic.

What? Pretty sure he said he was making exceptiosn for teams like Providence but just said it was tricky with teams like wrath/omerta and drinkin/mod. I agree about the Benitos of old and current being different teams though. The new team is more of a tribute team it seems

Originally posted by jdbolick

Listing Providence as "The Death Star" is fucking retarded, though. Given that the box scores tell you the original name of the teams, it's not hard at all to list teams by the names they actually played under. Since GLB has spanned multiple years and teams go through various incarnations and ownership changes, it just seems pretty ridiculous to go by current names instead of the ones that actually appeared in the World League. It's idiotic.

Originally posted by NiborRis
Things like Providence -> Death Star I've tried to keep the original name this time around.

Although it's not like it's a different owner - same owner, trophies have been retained, and if they make it to WL again then at least the list of names should include Death Star, and quite frankly they're participating in Nat Pro as The Death Star right now so there's a pretty reasonable argument to be made that the team is now The Death Star and it's the team that played in the WL. The Indianapolis Colts are 2-2 in the Super Bowl, even if they played in two of them as the Baltimore Colts. Like I said - I don't feel like making judgement calls on what constitutes the same "team" so the ID is the team, period.
I sure as hell don't know what "various incarnations" every team out there is doing and in a lot of cases if you ask 5 different people you get 5 different answers.

Lastly, there's 271 games played each season. I'm sure as hell not clicking on several thousand games just to find out what name every team played under in every game to make sure I never accidentally include a name that was never used "in the WL". I'm not even clicking on one game per team per season - 32 teams, 14 seasons, 224 games if I do it optimally? No thanks. If you want to be HELPFUL, you could say something like "Hey, Providence never played in WL under the name The Death Star." Kind of like all those posts in the thread that say "Hey my team played in WL in SXX as well, and here's a link and/or number of games won". You know, since you actually only seem to care about one instance - Providence. Or you could just keep being an asshole about it, I guess.

retarded!

hey i thought we erased the R word a few years ago with those PSAs? what happened?

It's JD...he has not choice but to keep being an asshole about it.

Originally posted by NiborRis
Although it's not like it's a different owner - same owner, trophies have been retained, and if they make it to WL again then at least the list of names should include Death Star, and quite frankly they're participating in Nat Pro as The Death Star right now so there's a pretty reasonable argument to be made that the team is now The Death Star and it's the team that played in the WL. The Indianapolis Colts are 2-2 in the Super Bowl, even if they played in two of them as the Baltimore Colts. Like I said - I don't feel like making judgement calls on what constitutes the same "team" so the ID is the team, period.
It's not a "judgment call;" you just look at the box score and record the name. Jesus, this isn't rocket science. "The Death Star" has nothing to do with the World League and it's asinine to put that as the name of record in this thread instead of the name that was actually played under. It undermines the whole purpose of this thread by using names that have nothing to do with the World League.

Originally posted by
I'm not even clicking on one game per team per season - 32 teams, 14 seasons, 224 games if I do it optimally? No thanks.
If you're going to be lazy, then why create the thread at all? Again, it doesn't require any exceptional level of intelligence to realize that a list of teams participating in the World League should have names that actually appeared here. Hell, it's not actually hard. Back during the thread that initially inspired you to make this list, I also started to make my own from the box scores. You finished it first, which is fine, but I just assumed you'd actually do it correctly instead of half-assed.

Originally posted by
Or you could just keep being an asshole about it, I guess.
Pointing out that you're using names that have nothing to do with the World League isn't "being an asshole," it's pointing out that you're doing something ridiculous. Again, if you want to do this thread at all then do it correctly. If you don't want to record the correct names, then stop pretending that this is a list of teams that participated in the World League. For instance, if Plankton sold Devonport then I bought it and renamed it "House of Pancakes," it would obviously be retarded to replace "Devonport Devils" with "House of Pancakes" on the list of WL teams. It's a no-brainer. Do this correctly or don't do it at all.

Originally posted by Plankton
It's JD...he has not choice but to keep being an asshole about it.
So if you sell your team and I change the name after buying it, this list should replace "Devonport Devils" with whatever I come up with? Or hell, you could just decide to change the name yourself to something new and it still wouldn't make any sense to remove "Devonport Devils" from the list.

Only one person can remedy this thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw

Originally posted by jdbolick

Pointing out that you're using names that have nothing to do with the World League isn't "being an asshole,"

No, but saying "It's fucking retarded" and "it's idiotic" is "being an asshole".

Originally posted by jdbolick
If you're going to be lazy

Considering the 5+ hours I've already put into this, this is also "being an asshole".

The team #3472 is still owned by Pariah, and as far as I know, always was. Not like GLB has this log of previous owners. However, there is this handy little trophy box, oh and look, The Death Star is shown as winning CPL silver S19 and S12, and coming in 3rd in the GLB World/National Pro tournament in S20. There's no mention of any other name anywhere on that home page. That team specifically has a fair argument of being called The Death Star now, and if you don't like it, bitch at Pariah, not me.

And finally, you've obviously NOT EVEN CLICKED on the current page I'm working on, because the name "The Death Star" doesn't appear anywhere on it.

And no, I'm not going to list every name Gart's used. He's lucky I don't just call it "Team #149".

Originally posted by NiborRis
Considering the 5+ hours I've already put into this, this is also "being an asshole".
Considering that I PMed you about it on 2011-10-19 12:49:59 (which you ignored completely), and then asked politely again in this thread only for you to dismiss the concern, I'm not the one being the asshole. Again, this isn't rocket science. It's obvious that the names listed should be ones under which teams have participated in the World League. It's a no-fucking-brainer.

Originally posted by
The team #3472 is still owned by Pariah, and as far as I know, always was. Not like GLB has this log of previous owners. However, there is this handy little trophy box, oh and look, The Death Star is shown as winning CPL silver S19 and S12, and coming in 3rd in the GLB World/National Pro tournament in S20. There's no mention of any other name anywhere on that home page. That team specifically has a fair argument of being called The Death Star now, and if you don't like it, bitch at Pariah, not me.
At least pretend to use your brain. If someone starts a new roster under a new name without selling their team, that doesn't change history. You know that the "Providence Radicals" played in the World League, and that no team named "The Death Star" ever did. Stop being stubborn and lazy.

Originally posted by NiborRis
Working on a deeper spreadsheet of this - list the teams, wins per season (including playoff wins) and total wins.
Done the teams that were in WL in S11:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0Ao39eFeqMw_ZdHB0XzZQRlBwTk1kTFBCdllydVR4N0E&output=html

3 teams don't exist anymore, so I only have S11 numbers for BDR, Mata-Utu Voodoo, and Singapore Marauders. But I think they each played only one season in WL anyway (Marauders folded after making playoffs S11, right?)

Gunners were also in the WL in season 19...they just went 0fer...whoops

Originally posted by jdbolick
Stop being stubborn and lazy.

Originally posted by NiborRis
Working on a deeper spreadsheet of this - list the teams, wins per season (including playoff wins) and total wins.
Done the teams that were in WL in S11:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0Ao39eFeqMw_ZdHB0XzZQRlBwTk1kTFBCdllydVR4N0E&output=html

Originally posted by NiborRis
Things like Providence -> Death Star I've tried to keep the original name this time around.

Originally posted by NiborRis
Originally posted by NiborRis
Things like Providence -> Death Star I've tried to keep the original name this time around.

Originally posted by NiborRis
And finally, you've obviously NOT EVEN CLICKED on the current page I'm working on, because the name "The Death Star" doesn't appear anywhere on it.

I went ahead and edited that link into the OP to make it easier for you to find, since posting a link and then telling you THREE TIMES that it DOES NOT USE the name "The Death Star" isn't working. For someone who berates a lot of his debate opponents on their reading comprehension, you're having a hard time figuring out you're berating me to do something I've already done.

Originally posted by NiborRis
I went ahead and edited that link into the OP to make it easier for you to find, since posting a link and then telling you THREE TIMES that it DOES NOT USE the name "The Death Star" isn't working. For someone who berates a lot of his debate opponents on their reading comprehension, you're having a hard time figuring out you're berating me to do something I've already done.
Stop being a dick about it and just edit the OP. It's honestly bizarre that you would rather ignore PMs, call me an asshole, and argue over multiple posts than just correct an obvious error.