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Promotion rules were followed in the sense that promotions occurred. This is post promotion... sort of like having your team go CPU and having one of your GMs buy it.

This wouldn't be the first team that made it into Gold this way.

The promotion system is stupid anyway because it doesn't factor in strength of conference.

It should go:

Silver Winners... if not full:
Randomly chosen Silver runner-ups,,, if not full:
Randomly chosen conference runner-ups.

If they won't use an objective system like performance in tournaments, record versus other teams who were promoted, etc. then they should just pull someone in randomly because they are just as lkkely to pick a decent team.

System remains broke, I offer no solutions, arbitrary selection seems to be a very bad precident to set. I have to disagree with the TO and GLB heads for allowing an agent decide who was worthy of advancement, that seems dirty with a small D.


As for the worthiness discussion - I can not see how an undefeated Crib team that lost a playoff game to a League Champion AND who has won in the neighborhood of 100 reg season and playoff games in its Pee Wee history, is deemed less worthy than any other team.

Didn't read the whole thread but I thought Hartford was a farm team? I'm pretty sure that's why they didn't get in.

Originally posted by middawg
As for the worthiness discussion - I can not see how an undefeated Crib team that lost a playoff game to a League Champion AND who has won in the neighborhood of 100 reg season and playoff games in its Pee Wee history, is deemed less worthy than any other team.





Crib Midgets were started in Season 8 and are 196-28-2 all time including scrims, but there is a bigger fish to fry with gold teams being allowed to just swap with a silver team. My suggestion is if you stay through day 40 in Gold (all gold teams should have to declare through team renewal), then find it too hard to stay up after that you should drop to the copper pool. That should see a drop off in the bafoonery going on.

Now about that pesky silver conf shuffle problem with CPU dominated other side

Originally posted by Dacomish
Originally posted by middawg

As for the worthiness discussion - I can not see how an undefeated Crib team that lost a playoff game to a League Champion AND who has won in the neighborhood of 100 reg season and playoff games in its Pee Wee history, is deemed less worthy than any other team.





Crib Midgets were started in Season 8 and are 196-28-2 all time including scrims, but there is a bigger fish to fry with gold teams being allowed to just swap with a silver team. My suggestion is if you stay through day 40 in Gold (all gold teams should have to declare through team renewal), then find it too hard to stay up after that you should drop to the copper pool. That should see a drop off in the bafoonery going on.

Now about that pesky silver conf shuffle problem with CPU dominated other side


Nobody cares about your scrim record, facepalm.

I took my socks off and I counted Cribs reg season and playoff record at 133-17-2. This likely matches SBWL in terms of highest historical Winning Percentage for teams with over 100 wins and is probably second to SBWL in all time pee wee wins due to SBWL beginning a season earlier. So in my mind, Crib wins any "most deserving team/franchise" argument


**********So I propose as a possible solution, total of all time franchise reg season and playoff wins be used 100% to determine admittance to non-league champions into Gold. Because your admitting a franchise, which you're really doing in any circumstance, and not just a team on day 39 anyway, the subjectivity of comparison is thus eliminated **************

no, that's a terrible idea

The whole point of pee wee is that teams change every season because you get a chance to start over. You can't judge a peewee team for next season based upon what they did 3 or more seasons ago

Dirty sucked three seasons ago, was decent two seasons ago, was pretty good last season, and was dominant this season.

While disagreeing with me you prove my point, so thank you.

Whatever someone thinks of a teams greatness or deservability on Day 39 or 40 of any particular season because the slate is wiped clean at the end of each season is Trumped by what that team has accomplished over the long haul. Anybody who has ever owned a succussful team for a handful of seasons knows that their succuss lies as much in their durability over the course as it does their performance in a particular playoff setting.

Originally posted by middawg
While disagreeing with me you prove my point, so thank you.

Whatever someone thinks of a teams greatness or deservability on Day 39 or 40 of any particular season because the slate is wiped clean at the end of each season is Trumped by what that team has accomplished over the long haul. Anybody who has ever owned a succussful team for a handful of seasons knows that their succuss lies as much in their durability over the course as it does their performance in a particular playoff setting.

+1 to middawg

like you said, while Dirty Inc has gotten better, their performance indicates you cannot predict how they will do next season since they havent always been consistent in their results. They may have been better in S 15, but like you said they werent so good early on.

Crib has always been good. They have been good since Dinosaurs roamed GLB. You know theyre gonna be good next year. That type of consistent performance merits a Gold invite alone. Everyone kept saying FT "deserves" to be in Gold for how long. They got there this year, after they shouldve made it for what 3 straight seasons? Crib is in that category. I do think they are going to make it up here eventually, but they're consistent performance over time has proven they are golden

Last thing I want is a Pee Wee community flipped upside down about this. Like I said before, I'm happy to have the opportunity to play in Gold, but I don't like getting in like this, but. Speaking from my side, I know how hard it was to learn the game and get to the point where I am now.

The one thing I wan't people to understand what pisses me off more than anything is when teams go CPU in Gold. Look at last season, there were many Silver teams that could have been promoted in the position that was being taken by teams that chose to go CPU. Nothing is more frustrating than having a good team in Silver that can compete and seeing that CPU Team week after week where you could be. I'm sure many of you can connect with that. I don't think anyone would wan't that to happen again.

If the admins would have selected the team, chances are not everyone would have been happy with their choice. I think thats a fair statement. I could counter argue anyones opinion that any other team gets promoted ahead of Dirty. So if I were the admins, I think I would do the same and let the Owner of the team leaving select the replacement. That way they wash their hands of it. It just so happens it worked out for me this time. If it sticks (In Tim Tebow speech) you won't find another team to try harder and compete for wins this season. As long as this new system of Finance doesn't screw up my builds.
Peace Out.

I can counter argue it, because under nobody's proposed system at all, at least the sensible objective ones that GLB might actually consider, does dirty deserve to be promoted....

Dirty is about 21st on my list of people deserving to be promoted, and as I said, none of the current proposed ideas (besides an subjective selection, like took place, which is what I'm protesting) have had Dirty going in to gold, and that is end of story.

Of course I won't be able to convince YOU that your team that got their unfairly doesn't deserve it, but I've more than proved my point to the rest of the community.

Your team should not be in Gold, as their has yet to be a single objective (Which GLB has made clear it will always use objective promotion scripts) based promotion idea that would result in your team making it to Gold.

Sorry, your team is great, and you won the Silver tournament for a reason, but I refuse to, and GLB would refuse to, add any merit to scrimmages, as this would be abused, by myself even, I'd be beating the stoners every single day in a ranked scrimmage 255-0, and WELCOME DVD to gold.

at your attempt to sum it up with we should just all agree you deserve it and shutup

(inb4 you or anyone else for that matters takes this personally)

Originally posted by EatDaBeaver

Your team should not be in Gold, as their has yet to be a single objective (Which GLB has made clear it will always use objective promotion scripts) based promotion idea that would result in your team making it to Gold.


Not really true if I remember correctly. Middawg's team, Andromeda Strain, got in after a lot of people in the PeeWee community thought they should have been the next in line for promotion, but weren't. Back then it was Points Scored as the tie-breaker, and this promoted teams in bad leagues. Eventually Support allowed Andromeda to switch with a Gold team who volunteered to be demoted. Sound familiar?

I didn't say they hadn't before promoted undeserving people...

I just said they made it pretty clear the off-season promotion script will always be objective, thus meaning that all promotions should be objective, as one team should not be given an unfair advantage over the others, just because of a subjective opinion.

I wasn't paying attention to Gold then, or I'd have made this post then.

dirty is gonna be a playoff team in gold next year anyways, mike is a solid owner...lets stop with the fuss...the season I got in there was mass exodus from Gold, I think there was something like 12 new gold teams...there are only 6 left...the cream will rise to the top...whether or not they deserve to be there can be debated all day long, but the fact is they are there...so why dont we let them show us why they deserve it, rather than all just talk about it...winning the silver championship has to count for something, and I think this is a good example of where it should matter.

my 2 cents

Originally posted by middawg

Nobody cares about your scrim record, facepalm.

I took my socks off and I counted Cribs reg season and playoff record at 133-17-2. This likely matches SBWL in terms of highest historical Winning Percentage for teams with over 100 wins and is probably second to SBWL in all time pee wee wins due to SBWL beginning a season earlier. So in my mind, Crib wins any "most deserving team/franchise" argument


**********So I propose as a possible solution, total of all time franchise reg season and playoff wins be used 100% to determine admittance to non-league champions into Gold. Because your admitting a franchise, which you're really doing in any circumstance, and not just a team on day 39 anyway, the subjectivity of comparison is thus eliminated **************



SAS: 105-7-2

SAS has the more impressive winning %. I miss our days in Silver... we were 47-1 before we hit Gold