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Originally posted by chronoaug
You'd be surprised how good some teams base AI is. Far far better than a lot of teams who actually scout and gameplan heavy. Alpine kept tweaking ours but basically used the same one all season and the playoff games we even made our AI worse on purpose to throw off MM (i'm sure they did too). Even though some of the usapl teams had equal talent to us, our base AI was probably better or had better build strategy. We did our best gameplanning for MM who drubbed everyone by 50. Came up short on a forever haunting pick-6 but still. Their dots were much better overall, they had hometown hero, and i think more %aeq and we still almost (and probably should've) beat them despite losing by 70 in the reg season. We knew we had to hit perfectly on the gameplan and probably did but were unfortunate. It's definitely possible though if you're good enough

This is how it should be chronoaug.

Originally posted by smittdog101
Originally posted by coachviking

No No it wouldn't...Why do teams that don't deserve to win need a fair shot to win. Work harder...Work Better win. Simple as that.

Then quit bitching about teams that don't have a full roster. If you can't tell....I am on here 24-7 trying to compete. I do win as well. Let's compare franchise records buddy.

I just looked over yours briefly...it seems that you have at least three losing seasons....Monmouth has ZERO

/argument

Originally posted by smittdog101
I have people skills, but I could care less to try and impress agents I have no shot with.... this obviously includes you and plenty of others affiliated with MEM

im was only affiliated with mem before this season due to cv handing out lolgm's to any one and every one tbh. I just ended up liking the team and the forums quite a bit. If you think me being a lolgm to me influenced my decision you are sadly mistaken. I have plenty of lolgms that wanted my dot. I chose where i enjoyed most.

Originally posted by smittdog101
All bitching aside, which I still welcome BTW.

This is a real issue in GLB. There has to be an answer to the madness one of these days. This is a game that I have a deep passion for, but the wheels are falling off very quickly.

If you don't see that, then you just have your blinders on. Let's see what happens when beta is over.....if there is anyone left to play the game.

I am hopeful, but I don't think that anyone cares about anything other than their non-beta victories.





Did it fall off because it got worse or because your team has struggled though? In my opinion it has gotten slightly better each season. I know you guys were just hit by decline but most teams have been battling it the past 3-4 seasons and doing ok. The sim is getting better. Catch22 is making changes. Things are a bit more transparent. Sim is getting better. New features are helpful and we know of future plans (like eq and money).

GLB always takes 1-2 steps back and then 2-3 forward every season. It's rocky at times and things always need finetuning but always moving forward.


Also, it's easy to be good at GLB when your team always has success. As others have stated, the real test of a team's worth is when they struggle. Alpine bounced back from 6-10 WL, KKAR missed the playoffs in AAA and in Pro, Chicago went from 4-12 to winning the USAPL west in 2-3seasons. Hounds won 3 games last season but will win 14+ this coming season. All of this was during decline as well. Many many teams have had that first bad season and either didn't maintain their players and core agents or couldn't recruit because of it, or just got discouraged. It's hard to get back on top but definitely possible.



I honestly think your best bet is PMing some of the other teams who want to win but just can't figure it out like you. Try to combine forces. Maybe what your team lacks the other team is good at and what they lack, you're already good at.

Originally posted by Klydon
Originally posted by smittdog101

CV.....you have had it easy from day 1. Don't kid yourself. I am glad to see some support to the matter. If anyone says that I haven't tried my ass off, then you really don't know what it is like to be the average Joe in this league.

The fact is, retirement is killing this game. The only teams that reap the benefits are the ones that have networks or some sort of title to help them in the recruiting process.

If you read my original post on the topic, you still have the chance to recruit the best agents possible until you reach a certain player count.

If you don't back me on this, then you are just admitting to the fact that you don't want even competition in this game. It all started right here in the Pro league, but I have to tell you that it won't end here unless we do something about it now.

If you are such a hard recruiter CV, then give up your title, your name, and everything you are associated with and try to recruit for the average team that WORKS THEIR ASS OFF. You couldn't do it and you know it.

This game will fall to shambles without a real system set up for parity.

If you gave me your roster and let me play this game. I would have already been in the WL and won a title. I for damn sure wouldn't be back in the Pros. You are just scared that a reasonable solution will make you nothing but average. You have no skill in strategy. You are just a an agent that solely relies on the players to get you where you are.

If the playing ground was evened out just a little bit, I would be willing to bet you would fold your team. Who cares though really. It's all for the betterment of the game......not just to satisfy a mod that does nothing other than talk trash and not back it up. I guarantee an even roster would equal a win to anyone else who knows how to really play this game.

If you think you are that good (and that goes for anyone here), then this whole proposal should not be an issue whatsoever.

The draft is the only way to go. Until then....expect that teams are not going to get what they need and SHUT THE HELL UP.

I agree that recruiting is a way to get an advantage, but you will still have that advantage from signings 1-35. This will prove just how good you really think you are.

This is not directed at you personally CV, but you did bring up the topic, so it's time to face the music bra.

I have lurked in this forum for many seasons, so I have seen a lot of teams come and go. I don't usually post here since I don't currently have someone in the league, but this type of topic goes across all of GLB honestly.

TBH from someone who doesn't have skin in this fight, you miss the mark on a lot of fronts Smitt. I don't know if you have been in WL in any capacity or not, but I was there last season with a team that was 15-1 and won a silver cup in the CPL. We got the snot kicked out of us in WL because the teams there are the elite of the elite. The top teams absolutely have the best dots they can get their hands on, best game planners right now and best organizations. I played against Vahalla when they were in SLAP. The Snowmen actually managed to beat them for a title, but we were about the last to accomplish much against them. They rolled on pretty much everyone including us the following season.

Excellent GLB teams take far more than just good game planners, dots, and organization. At the upper reaches of the game, if you are lacking in an area, you are going to get beat. You can have the best dots, but if you didn't get the finances worked out to have them geared, then you are at a disadvantage. If you have great dots, but have people who can't game plan worth a lick, then you are going to suck, etc. If you don't plan ahead for decline, then don't expect to be around at the top levels of the game. It all takes a lot of time and effort to do this and many owners are missing parts of the picture in that they don't have the time anymore, are not very good at some aspect, be it recruiting, or getting good agents in to help them run the organization or whatever the deal is. A lot of owners figure out it isn't their cup of tea and they get out of the ownership biz.

CV is not the only owner who has absolutely busted his ass to make his team what it is today, but he has also put in the work to set up networks with other talented agents. You look at who he has had on his staff over the seasons and its remarkable. He has gone out and talked some of the best minds in GLB to come work on his team. You (and every other owner) have those same opportunities. This is an area of the game that good owners can get an advantage in if they work at it and clearly some owners are better at it than others. CV is but one example of this and there are other examples as well. Are they to be penalized for the amount of time they have invested in the game to get what they have when there is absolutely nothing stopping anyone else from doing the same things they have done in the past?

There are other things you can do as an owner to help yourself as far as your presence in game. CV has routinely posted match up analysis, held private forum discussions with representatives that vote on who is number 1, 2, 3, etc at that point in the season along with comments from the panel, and I could list other examples. Just look at the forum here and you will see what he has contributed to the community here in terms of dot ball over the seasons. Potential agents take note of such activity and effort and for the most part, it makes a positive impression on them. At the very least, it helps make CV better known within the community which I am sure is part of the objective. KKAR is another example of a team that is very active on the forums. Kamper Kampfire is well known in any league KKAR has been in and is almost always a great read along with Kountry Kampers, etc. The point is these teams all become better known. You may not like the Kai, but I bet you have heard of them.

The current draft is a good way to set up networking with new people. A forced draft would cause people to quit the game en-mass when the agents don't have a choice to play for who they would like to.

I also agree reduction in the number of Pro leagues would be beneficial. It is only going to get worse it appears as the foundation to the leagues in the AA teams is rotten with quite a few CPU teams. Probably better would be to reduce the regions from 8, but then that would screw with how the WL works.

Sorry for the wall of text, but at least I made some paragraphs, which is more than Track does..

Thanks for noticing. Seriously, I actually like this game...It's fun that's why I play. I'm involved in a lot of things and it truly helps make Monmouth what it is. I'm put in the time to write the rankings, add the votes when and dot the sheets for the WL rankings, recruit for Momouth and a TON of other teams, was on the HOF Committee (that was a shit load of time) and still have time to drink a ton of beer and coach a bunch of RL teams.

AHHHH life is good

Originally posted by Veg
Originally posted by smittdog101

I have people skills, but I could care less to try and impress agents I have no shot with.... this obviously includes you and plenty of others affiliated with MEM

im was only affiliated with mem before this season due to cv handing out lolgm's to any one and every one tbh. I just ended up liking the team and the forums quite a bit. If you think me being a lolgm to me influenced my decision you are sadly mistaken. I have plenty of lolgms that wanted my dot. I chose where i enjoyed most.

Cav is actually pretty strict about lolgms. I remember there was a few weeks where i had a lot of crap going on an didn't really contribute much to the forums or Alpine and i noticed that i was bumped from "head coach" to just a regular GM. As soon as i picked up the pace again i was promoted. Kinda funny

Originally posted by chronoaug
Cav is actually pretty strict about lolgms. I remember there was a few weeks where i had a lot of crap going on an didn't really contribute much to the forums or Alpine and i noticed that i was bumped from "head coach" to just a regular GM. As soon as i picked up the pace again i was promoted. Kinda funny

yeah i like cav though. even though he wont gimmie alpine access.

Originally posted by coachviking
I just looked over yours briefly...it seems that you have at least three losing seasons....Monmouth has ZERO

/argument

Only one since season 3 I believe. How about overall record? I bet you didn't count that, because it wasn't in your favor probably. This is discounting the fact that we don't have mod titles or any pull whatsoever outside of the team.

If you actually earned anything, then it was the Bold title you have, which IMO says that I should not own a team or recruit. Give up your title and try to be like the rest of us. After all, you do nothing for the game unless it benefits your team. That is quite obvious CV.

Originally posted by smittdog101
Only one since season 3 I believe. How about overall record? I bet you didn't count that, because it wasn't in your favor probably. This is discounting the fact that we don't have mod titles or any pull whatsoever outside of the team.

If you actually earned anything, then it was the Bold title you have, which IMO says that I should not own a team or recruit. Give up your title and try to be like the rest of us. After all, you do nothing for the game unless it benefits your team. That is quite obvious CV.

I love how you fail to see how CV was recruiting great dots long before he had the dumb ass WL mod title lol. You are so dense.

Originally posted by coachviking
Thanks for noticing. Seriously, I actually like this game...It's fun that's why I play. I'm involved in a lot of things and it truly helps make Monmouth what it is. I'm put in the time to write the rankings, add the votes when and dot the sheets for the WL rankings, recruit for Momouth and a TON of other teams, was on the HOF Committee (that was a shit load of time) and still have time to drink a ton of beer and coach a bunch of RL teams.

AHHHH life is good

The only thing I like about you CV is the drinking part.

Originally posted by smittdog101
Originally posted by chronoaug

You'd be surprised how good some teams base AI is. Far far better than a lot of teams who actually scout and gameplan heavy. Alpine kept tweaking ours but basically used the same one all season and the playoff games we even made our AI worse on purpose to throw off MM (i'm sure they did too). Even though some of the usapl teams had equal talent to us, our base AI was probably better or had better build strategy. We did our best gameplanning for MM who drubbed everyone by 50. Came up short on a forever haunting pick-6 but still. Their dots were much better overall, they had hometown hero, and i think more %aeq and we still almost (and probably should've) beat them despite losing by 70 in the reg season. We knew we had to hit perfectly on the gameplan and probably did but were unfortunate. It's definitely possible though if you're good enough

This is how it should be chronoaug.

It is. The thing is ALpine's base AI and stock set of DPC plays and our packages we've created is better than most other teams in USAPL last season (including yours). Also, builds is part of the strategy. No one was given an advantage in terms of builds.

Also, we didn't lose in WL because of the builds. We lost because of strategy. We didn't set up our AEQ, VAs, SAs well. We also missed the mark in terms of some defensive and offensive strategy. I think we easily couldn't and probably should've made the playoffs. I'm not making excuses but cav, wise, and zero who handled the AI that season had multiple days in a row where they were too busy with real life issues to access GLB and our performance suffered. I was amidst a move across the country and then scrambling to find a new apartment so i wasn't as active and that also hurt our performance. Another example of how it's still all about strategy and planning.


Though, it's easier to just blame Wise so despite him doing a standup job, we'll just do that

Originally posted by Veg
Originally posted by chronoaug

Cav is actually pretty strict about lolgms. I remember there was a few weeks where i had a lot of crap going on an didn't really contribute much to the forums or Alpine and i noticed that i was bumped from "head coach" to just a regular GM. As soon as i picked up the pace again i was promoted. Kinda funny

yeah i like cav though. even though he wont gimmie alpine access.

You gotta earn it. If you wanted to bring us a baller dot in the future maybe i can make that happen. I brought back an agent whose player we cut because he said he'd build us a future Alpine dot.


Also, our current DC (zero) who is really really good we found in a safety private forum and just randomly recruited him. He has been a godsend and honestly without him, i don't think Alpine would be near what it is now and i worry if it'd be around as doing the offense, defense, recruiting, and team management would burn out Cavalier.

Part of the reason MEM is successful is they divide up tasks. CV is the owner, he has coordinators, scouts, recruiters, guys searching for networks and young dots, people scouring the game changes forum, private forums, test server forums, main forum, etc... looking for new strategy, build advice, and sim knowledge. He also has guys keeping his forums active and fun and creating a forum presence in the rest of GLB.

Kai and NBA Jam did the same thing and both are very successful (despite all the lolkai talk).

Honestly, i don't care about the juggernauts being good or not. I think everyone knew they were going to be mediocre at best with a high probability of failing and gutting. This is more fun to talk about GLB, team ownership/operating and the culture of GLB in general which is the only reason i continue to post


Also because lolmem

Originally posted by chronoaug
It is. The thing is ALpine's base AI and stock set of DPC plays and our packages we've created is better than most other teams in USAPL last season (including yours). Also, builds is part of the strategy. No one was given an advantage in terms of builds.

Also, we didn't lose in WL because of the builds. We lost because of strategy. We didn't set up our AEQ, VAs, SAs well. We also missed the mark in terms of some defensive and offensive strategy. I think we easily couldn't and probably should've made the playoffs. I'm not making excuses but cav, wise, and zero who handled the AI that season had multiple days in a row where they were too busy with real life issues to access GLB and our performance suffered. I was amidst a move across the country and then scrambling to find a new apartment so i wasn't as active and that also hurt our performance. Another example of how it's still all about strategy and planning.


Though, it's easier to just blame Wise so despite him doing a standup job, we'll just do that

How do you think those Builds, SA's, VA'a, and AEQ were recruited and built? It was because of the testers and mods who had access to the new season ways before they even started recruiting. This is known to few, because the posts on this get deleted as soon as they are presented.

This is the exact reason why MODS and TESTERS should absolutely not be able to GM, Own, or Recruit. Their inside scoop is uncanny, and allows too much of a jump on the rest of the field.

Defend this as much as you want....but it's the simple truth.

Originally posted by chronoaug
Honestly, i don't care about the juggernauts being good or not. I think everyone knew they were going to be mediocre at best with a high probability of failing and gutting. This is more fun to talk about GLB, team ownership/operating and the culture of GLB in general which is the only reason i continue to post


Also because lolmem

It's really not about my team. You hit it on the head there.