Warrior General Games

Originally posted by MD
I never said they all were but there are quite a few that are. All of these guys are better deep threat options than Berrian, all are better WRs as well.

Jennings
Calvin. Johnson
A. Johnson
Royal
Evans
D.Jackson
R.Moss
Chad Johnson
S.Smith
D.Henderson

why does everyone keep posting eddie royal? it only makes you look like a big fucking idiot. just sayin...same with Andre Johnson...when the hell did he become a deep threat? im not even sure you guys understand the argument really...it might just be time to pack it in when all you can do is name a bunch of names that help your fantasy team out.

Originally posted by Snaza
I love the discussion, the stupid & the smart.

But it goes to show you why some guys will pay $30 for Chad Johnson in their Fantasy draft when they could've paid $3 for Wes Welker & gotten more points.

Some people are too stupid to learn or admit their mistakes.


And I'm not saying anyone's "Wrong" or "Right" in this thread...
But when you just start throwing shit out there w/o making it atleast Plausible, it's just sad and pathetic to witness.

The (very probable) outcome this season is the Vikings with Favre = fairly easy Division Winner (baring a major injury to a key player) and the Packers & Bears are going to wait till next year for the division (possible WC).

Now next year (w/o Favre), the Viks will either with a new & improved TJax have the division nearly in hand, or with a regular TJax (good/bad every week) be fighting with both teams for the division like last year.

Berrian is a GOOD WR... and any normal Viks fan will never say more than that. We ALSO will say though, that he's NEVER had a good QB throwing to him, so it COULD be pretty awesome.
And yes, HALF (or more) of those WR's are NOT deep-threat WR's.

Even again, A. Johnson? Not a deep threat WR by trade, Royal & Evans? Not good enough, Ochocinco? Maybe if he can bounce back (I think he will)... but Berrian's up there.

ALL of that is a moot point though, b/c Favre makes players around him better (hopefully still will). So they ALL should do better than they have in the past.

And yeah, it takes a few weeks to get down even an offense you're used to.
Favre will be fine.
TJax looked good (did the last 3-4 games at the end of last season also).
Finally... it's PRE-season.. none of this shit is that much of a gauge anyway

i dont agree with MN being easy division winners either...this is just silly talk...

Originally posted by bhall43
why does everyone keep posting eddie royal? it only makes you look like a big fucking idiot. just sayin...same with Andre Johnson...when the hell did he become a deep threat? im not even sure you guys understand the argument really...it might just be time to pack it in when all you can do is name a bunch of names that help your fantasy team out.

Meh, take Royal off then, though he is a better WR.
AJ can stay though, he can do it all including stretch the field.

Don't get your panties in a bunch, you sound like a Viqueen fan.

Originally posted by bhall43
as far as this "deep threat" talk goes...only one WR had a higher YPC last season than Berrian. That player was Devery Henderson.

Henderson 24.8
Berrian 20.1

All the talk about all those other WR's is completely meaningless.

in what bizarro world do we live when did Devery Henderson and Berrian become the 2 best WR in the NFL...

chucking the ball deep cuz your down in the fourth Qrt is great for stat padding.... but in reality those two are garbage.


neither are legit, and Berrian is, at best, in the top 25...

you Vikers fans can get as excited as you want about him.


youre the ones that will be dissappointed...


just likie Jetfan last season.

please for the purpose of this thread,

someone define what a deep threat WR is...

it seems we all have different ideas about deep threats

seems like a pretty silly semantics argument to me.

Never said Berrian was a top 10 NFL WR, but is a top 10 deep threat.

I guess imo deep threat would be blazing speed, consistently gets behind defenders and can hold on to the ball (unlike Troy Willamson), defenders often give them a good cushion knowing they don't have the speed to keep up with that WR.
Not an all around WR that can line up anywhere including the slot, but still has good speed.

Originally posted by dano6482
Never said Berrian was a top 10 NFL WR, but is a top 10 deep threat.

I guess imo deep threat would be blazing speed, consistently gets behind defenders and can hold on to the ball (unlike Troy Willamson), defenders often give them a good cushion knowing they don't have the speed to keep up with that WR.
Not an all around WR that can line up anywhere including the slot, but still has good speed.

i think it's a pretty fair assessment. berrian's always been a bit underrated to me. he's got good body control in the air and can adjust really well. and he's got great straight line speed.

he doesnt have any moves though, and never was a YAC guy unless the defenders were behind him.

i remember a bear's game a few years ago where griese was in and he threw a slant to berrian and it was like, GOOD LORD WHY ARENT WE DOING THIS ALL THE TIME, EASY 10 YARDS!!!!

but our OC is allergic to slants, even though other teams routinely destroy us with them.

Originally posted by Victory Jones
please for the purpose of this thread,

someone define what a deep threat WR is...

it seems we all have different ideas about deep threats

you are the one that seems confused...a guy that averages 20+ yards a catch is a deep threat. At the same time...I can understand a couple other names added in over or with Berrian for deep threat...

Devery Henderson
Vincent Jackson
Steve Smith
Calvin Johnson
I might even accept Greg Jennings from last season, altho that would be a stretch.


The rest of the guys out there just purely weren't better deep threats last season. Plain and Simple. This argument has nothing to do with the best WR's in the NFL. The list would change dramatically if it were. The Vikings picked up Berrian for one thing and one thing only...to stretch the field for AP and CT. The addition of Brett only amplifies stretching the field and should make Berrian once again one of the best deep threats there is in the NFL.

Originally posted by Rusty Trombone
i think it's a pretty fair assessment. berrian's always been a bit underrated to me. he's got good body control in the air and can adjust really well. and he's got great straight line speed.

he doesnt have any moves though, and never was a YAC guy unless the defenders were behind him.

i remember a bear's game a few years ago where griese was in and he threw a slant to berrian and it was like, GOOD LORD WHY ARENT WE DOING THIS ALL THE TIME, EASY 10 YARDS!!!!

but our OC is allergic to slants, even though other teams routinely destroy us with them.

He will likely be seeing a shit ton of slants this season with Favre calling the audibles.

Originally posted by bhall43
you are the one that seems confused...a guy that averages 20+ yards a catch is a deep threat. At the same time...I can understand a couple other names added in over or with Berrian for deep threat...

Devery Henderson
Vincent Jackson
Steve Smith
Calvin Johnson
I might even accept Greg Jennings from last season, altho that would be a stretch.


The rest of the guys out there just purely weren't better deep threats last season. Plain and Simple. This argument has nothing to do with the best WR's in the NFL. The list would change dramatically if it were. The Vikings picked up Berrian for one thing and one thing only...to stretch the field for AP and CT. The addition of Brett only amplifies stretching the field and should make Berrian once again one of the best deep threats there is in the NFL.


So you discount Andre Johnson and then throw in Vincent Jackson AND say that Jennings would be a stretch, lol. "it only makes you look like a big fucking idiot"

And when did this become only for last season?

A deep threat is a WR that can go deep on any play and most likely beat his coverage with speed and make the play.

Jennings is deep threat. He had an 16.2 avg per catch with 9 TDs (7th most of all WRs) in 80 catches worth 1,292 total yards (6th most in NFL by WRs). He had 21 catches of 20+ yards (2nd most of all WRs), 8 (most of all WRs) of these went for 40+! If that isnt deep threat, i dont know what is.

Originally posted by MD
So you discount Andre Johnson and then throw in Vincent Jackson AND say that Jennings would be a stretch, lol. "it only makes you look like a big fucking idiot"

And when did this become only for last season?

A deep threat is a WR that can go deep on any play and most likely beat his coverage with speed and make the play.

Vincent Jackson 18.6 YPC on 59 receptions last season.
Jennings would be a stretch at just over 16 YPC...but he had 80 catches tho. Still would be a huge stretch to include him in on a pure deep threat.

Andre Johnson is not a deep threat. Rarely do you see him doing fly routes. As he shouldnt be. He is big and has great hands and gets most of his stuff over the middle of the field in traffic.

You obviously don't understand what a pure deep threat is. If Andre Johnson is a deep threat...than so is every other WR in the game of football...as are half the TE's. There arent really many better built for the deep ball than Berrian. It is what got him paid the big $.

Originally posted by Dujoman
Jennings is deep threat. He had an 16.2 avg per catch with 9 TDs (7th most of all WRs) in 80 catches worth 1,292 total yards (6th most in NFL by WRs). He had 21 catches of 20+ yards (2nd most of all WRs), 8 (most of all WRs) of these went for 40+! If that isnt deep threat, i dont know what is.


Ill give you Jennings. At least your bringing something to the argument.

Originally posted by bhall43
you are the one that seems confused...a guy that averages 20+ yards a catch is a deep threat. At the same time...I can understand a couple other names added in over or with Berrian for deep threat...

Devery Henderson
Vincent Jackson
Steve Smith
Calvin Johnson
I might even accept Greg Jennings from last season, altho that would be a stretch.


The rest of the guys out there just purely weren't better deep threats last season. Plain and Simple. This argument has nothing to do with the best WR's in the NFL. The list would change dramatically if it were. The Vikings picked up Berrian for one thing and one thing only...to stretch the field for AP and CT. The addition of Brett only amplifies stretching the field and should make Berrian once again one of the best deep threats there is in the NFL.


so guys like Renaldo Nehimiah and James Jett would be 1 & 2 on the all time greatest deep threats of all time???


this argument is silly, cuz Berrian is garbage.