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i was fine with the tourny idea and I like it better than the world league. Whatever gets decided I wont get to riled up either way.

It just seems like the wolkfpack is crying because you and packman keep making longwinded posts about this. At this point you gotta see its been decided and wont change, so any more complaining is not getting anywhere.

Originally posted by islander1
Most of the Wolfpack haven't been openly griping about this by the way.

Just me. I'm not upset for the WW. I'm upset for USAPL. If Bort made an exception and put the WW in the World League just because of my "winning", I wouldn't want that. I simply want the World League to be the best of the best.

Not the best 4 from each region regardless of the quality of each region. Someone mentioned the World Cup allows more teams from the stronger regions. I don't hear anyone arguing that the World Cup is not fair.

Europe gets 13 teams in the World Cup, Oceania gets one team *IF* that team wins a playoff against the 5th place team from Asia.

Originally posted by PackMan97
Originally posted by islander1

Most of the Wolfpack haven't been openly griping about this by the way.

Just me. I'm not upset for the WW. I'm upset for USAPL.

you mean the rest of USAPL who wishes you would stop complaining about it?

Originally posted by Ubasstards
Originally posted by PackMan97

Originally posted by islander1


Most of the Wolfpack haven't been openly griping about this by the way.

Just me. I'm not upset for the WW. I'm upset for USAPL.

you mean the rest of USAPL who wishes you would stop complaining about it?

lol

Originally posted by Ubasstards
you mean the rest of USAPL who wishes you would stop complaining about it?

I've never given a fuck what you think of me or what anyone else does.

Originally posted by PackMan97
Originally posted by Ubasstards

you mean the rest of USAPL who wishes you would stop complaining about it?

I've never given a fuck what you think of me or what anyone else does.

cool story bro

If Bort wanted to do this right he would extend the season 4 days so roster moves can't be made. Then he can take the conference champ from each pro league and announce they will be promoted to the WPL. That leaves 16 teams. To determine those 16 they can have a 48 team playoff involving every pro playoff team remaining. This way no team could possibly argue they didn't have a legit chance and the best teams get in. Once the tournament gets down to 12 teams (after two games in two days) those 12 teams would get in to the WPL. Then take the 12 teams that won the first game in the tournament before being eliminated and have them play two games in two days and the teams that win both are in. That only leaves one team to hand pick by either committee or some sort of computer rankings. No team that lost two of three games to get in could complain.

This whole process would take all of 4 days and Bort could use this time to do normal offseason stuff. Just suspend teams having to pay players for a few days and lock rosters until it is over then have a shorter than normal offseason. It really isn't that difficult and would solve all the problems with which teams get in.

The only problem left would be how to handle promotion and demotion each season since there wouldn't be restrictions on how many teams from each league would get in. This is a problem that could be overcome with some thought.

I know it sounds complicated but it really isn't and this is a complicated issue.


The real problem is Bort not acting several seasons sooner on creating a WPL. If he had done this in season 7 or 8 then teams that know they are better in USA Pro wouldn't have had to worry as much since they weren't on the verge of decline and would have had time to move up and let it sort itself out. Instead Bort procrastinated on making a tough decision and now no matter what decision he makes it is going to be bad and instead of working out something that at least makes a little sense he is throwing together a bad plan with bad timing and expecting good results. Really, we shouldn't expect anything more than this because every decision is put off until it is too late then poorly executed, it is just how GLB is run.

Originally posted by MontyK
So you think alot of people are crying now when their team didnt get in just based on the rules, can you even imagine the amount of crying that would happen if their team was'nt "hand-picked" by this "committee"?


1. What rules? Assumptions that Wrath of Conor made up because they favored his interests?

2. Please quote crying. I've specifically avoiding criticizing or endorsing any method of selection since we would obviously not qualify under one set of standards and would obviously qualify under another. Had we been one of the few teams who would qualify under both sets of standards, I'd advance an opinion. An awful lot of folks who qualify under one but not another feel pretty smug with their "pre-emptive crying" to promote one proposed system over another, however.

3. Your opinion on a World League is irrelevant since there is no plausible system by which your team would qualify. Stand by for many more losing seasons.

Originally posted by PierreThomas
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great idea, but it will probably never happen.

Originally posted by Painmaker
Originally posted by MontyK

So you think alot of people are crying now when their team didnt get in just based on the rules, can you even imagine the amount of crying that would happen if their team was'nt "hand-picked" by this "committee"?


1. What rules? Assumptions that Wrath of Conor made up because they favored his interests?

2. Please quote crying. I've specifically avoiding criticizing or endorsing any method of selection since we would obviously not qualify under one set of standards and would obviously qualify under another. Had we been one of the few teams who would qualify under both sets of standards, I'd advance an opinion. An awful lot of folks who qualify under one but not another feel pretty smug with their "pre-emptive crying" to promote one proposed system over another, however.

3. Your opinion on a World League is irrelevant since there is no plausible system by which your team would qualify. Stand by for many more losing seasons.

1. The rules set up now are simple and have no human-element to them. Get in the top 4 of your league and you're in. Pretty simple.

2. When you involve people picking teams, people will feel slighted and others will get preferential treatment, and crying will ensue. Does'nt take a genius to see that.

3. Everyone knows WSI is done, mostly due to Naut having a death in his family happening early this season, yet you continue to talk shit. Stay classy dude.

Originally posted by Ubasstards
all of the wolfpack guys need to relax. think of it this way, with the top teams moving up you have a better shot at this title and to get into the world league in the future

This is an example of what I was talking about with pre-emptive crying. OTR is good but not a "top team," and coincidentally you see their support for one system over another.

Only those who would clearly qualify by any standard are above suspicion for advancing their own agendas. I'm more interested in what Havoc, Wrath, coachviking, rabideasterbunny, Gart888, TexanInMA, etc have to say. You'll notice I name a group who have a variety of opinions -- they each bring something to the table and you know they're not just doing it for their own team.

Those who are "on the bubble" so to speak stand to benefit by one system over the other, so I take their opinions with a serious grain of salt. Again, you'll have a hard time finding me promoting one system over another. In fact, you'll find I'm ambivalent about whether to have a World League at all. Certainly it would be interesting to see but I haven't seen a plan to execute it well... and execution of "good ideas" has always been a concern in GLB.

Originally posted by MontyK
you continue to talk shit. Stay classy dude.

I haven't talked shit once except in response to yours. Stop creating shit if you don't think people should be directing shit your way. You're a jackass if you think you should be able to dish it out without taking any in return.

Originally posted by MontyK
The rules set up now are simple and have no human-element to them. .

Who set these rules up? Bort? Some other admin?

Originally posted by PackMan97
Originally posted by Ubasstards

you mean the rest of USAPL who wishes you would stop complaining about it?

I've never given a fuck what you think of me or what anyone else does.

you missed the point. Basically you are complaining on behalf of teams that dont care or dont need or want you to keep complaining.

has nothing to do with you caring what anyone thinks about you

Originally posted by MontyK
When you involve people picking teams, people will feel slighted and others will get preferential treatment, and crying will ensue. Does'nt take a genius to see that.

Way to find a quote. You say that it surely will happen, yet you can't find any examples. Way to contrive an attack against behavior that you can't even identify.