Well, he needn't bother hoping anymore. We now know what our ceiling is from DEs in this game. If you're okay getting a few sacks against gutted teams and very little (if any) success against equal competition, then DE is a great position for you to build. If not, look at other positions or for a different game. I wouldn't even judge the position's effectiveness based on sacks if hurries and pressure had any affect on the QB whatsoever. But they don't. It's either a sack or you were ineffective.
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Originally posted by britdevine316
lol at this being moved to get all the Dline stuff off the main page
No kidding!! That is friggin stupid!!! Yet another way that GLB is out of touch with its customers!!!
lol at this being moved to get all the Dline stuff off the main page
No kidding!! That is friggin stupid!!! Yet another way that GLB is out of touch with its customers!!!
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Originally posted by Beatdown
I actually appreciate you telling us that this is the way it is, Voltron. I was hanging on with my DE for a little bit longer just hoping that things would change. I mean, I've put 8 seasons into him, so I didn't want to just get rid of him on a whim and then the DE position get fixed the very next season. But if, as you say, Bort is totally happy with the way the DE position is going, then I don't have to wait any longer to retire mine. And I'm not meaning this in a mean-spirited way. Thanks for letting us know.
Excellent Post.
I actually appreciate you telling us that this is the way it is, Voltron. I was hanging on with my DE for a little bit longer just hoping that things would change. I mean, I've put 8 seasons into him, so I didn't want to just get rid of him on a whim and then the DE position get fixed the very next season. But if, as you say, Bort is totally happy with the way the DE position is going, then I don't have to wait any longer to retire mine. And I'm not meaning this in a mean-spirited way. Thanks for letting us know.
Excellent Post.
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Originally posted by cosmoxl
Originally posted by Motiak
A big part of the problem is the feast/famine part of DEs too. If you have an awesome build then yeah, you can probably put up NFL-Like (not other position-GLB-like) numbers but if you have an average to good build, you're gonna get shut out a lot. You have to slow build with a purpose to have any kind of success.
play against good competition and all numbers are quite realistic. even rushing and passing numbers. play against dumb defenses and you'll have big numbers.
lol no.
Originally posted by Motiak
A big part of the problem is the feast/famine part of DEs too. If you have an awesome build then yeah, you can probably put up NFL-Like (not other position-GLB-like) numbers but if you have an average to good build, you're gonna get shut out a lot. You have to slow build with a purpose to have any kind of success.
play against good competition and all numbers are quite realistic. even rushing and passing numbers. play against dumb defenses and you'll have big numbers.
lol no.
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Originally posted by RyanCane26
Originally posted by Firenze
Originally posted by Derekross
Originally posted by britdevine316
Originally posted by Firenze
DE's not working = working as intended
Well just make them really slow and overall pretty bad and they might get some hurries.
basically if you make your DE worse, he should do better
Yea just try to be so slow and unagile that the O-lineman gets bored with you and eventually ignores you, giving you a free path to the QB for a much wanted hurry.
Not that hurries do anything, or work correctly...
My thoughts exactly
Sometimes I think the only thing hurries are good for is to make the QB hurry to throw a reception.
If you think about it though, normally in the NFL, QB are hurried on nearly every play and they still throw 60%+ receptions. The low confidence ones are disrupted much more often. When do the pretty boys in GLB work that up? I'm assuming earlier than most positions?
Originally posted by Firenze
Originally posted by Derekross
Originally posted by britdevine316
Originally posted by Firenze
DE's not working = working as intended
Well just make them really slow and overall pretty bad and they might get some hurries.
basically if you make your DE worse, he should do better
Yea just try to be so slow and unagile that the O-lineman gets bored with you and eventually ignores you, giving you a free path to the QB for a much wanted hurry.
Not that hurries do anything, or work correctly...
My thoughts exactly
Sometimes I think the only thing hurries are good for is to make the QB hurry to throw a reception.
If you think about it though, normally in the NFL, QB are hurried on nearly every play and they still throw 60%+ receptions. The low confidence ones are disrupted much more often. When do the pretty boys in GLB work that up? I'm assuming earlier than most positions?
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Its amazing, one group whines about something, Bort makes a change, now a new group is whining about it. Seems to me poor Bort is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I suggest you people go play Madden if you want unrealisitc sack numbers.
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Originally posted by Dudeamis
Its amazing, one group whines about something, Bort makes a change, now a new group is whining about it. Seems to me poor Bort is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I suggest you people go play Madden if you want unrealisitc sack numbers.
It's not that we want unrealistic sack numbers. It's that when all other numbers are unrealistic it's BS to tell DEs to just be happy with "realistic" sack numbers. It's not a good game when the score is 300-12, everyone else puts up ridiculous numbers, but DE is putting up "realistic" numbers.
Its amazing, one group whines about something, Bort makes a change, now a new group is whining about it. Seems to me poor Bort is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I suggest you people go play Madden if you want unrealisitc sack numbers.
It's not that we want unrealistic sack numbers. It's that when all other numbers are unrealistic it's BS to tell DEs to just be happy with "realistic" sack numbers. It's not a good game when the score is 300-12, everyone else puts up ridiculous numbers, but DE is putting up "realistic" numbers.
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Originally posted by Dudeamis
Its amazing, one group whines about something, Bort makes a change, now a new group is whining about it. Seems to me poor Bort is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I suggest you people go play Madden if you want unrealisitc sack numbers.
Yeah but it was a real issue that needed to be addressed. I used to o.c. a USA PRO team in seasons 4 and 5. It was really redundant having to play mass protect every game and still get sacked. It's pretty hard game planning in the first place, then to have to worry about every D.E. you ever play against. That's just not real.
Its amazing, one group whines about something, Bort makes a change, now a new group is whining about it. Seems to me poor Bort is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I suggest you people go play Madden if you want unrealisitc sack numbers.
Yeah but it was a real issue that needed to be addressed. I used to o.c. a USA PRO team in seasons 4 and 5. It was really redundant having to play mass protect every game and still get sacked. It's pretty hard game planning in the first place, then to have to worry about every D.E. you ever play against. That's just not real.
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Originally posted by Dudeamis
Its amazing, one group whines about something, Bort makes a change, now a new group is whining about it. Seems to me poor Bort is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I suggest you people go play Madden if you want unrealisitc sack numbers.
Should be able to play all scenarios out on the test server, implement a solution, then have it a go at live. Instead, let's bullshit all day and swim in the $ like Dagobert!
Its amazing, one group whines about something, Bort makes a change, now a new group is whining about it. Seems to me poor Bort is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I suggest you people go play Madden if you want unrealisitc sack numbers.
Should be able to play all scenarios out on the test server, implement a solution, then have it a go at live. Instead, let's bullshit all day and swim in the $ like Dagobert!
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