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It seems the logical thing to do would be to lobby for an amendment to allow an owner to bring any of his players to his team and not suffer any type of detriment...

or perhaps a loyalty clause that players can invoke to signify they are happy playing in the league they are in for the rest of their career.

I'm actually in favor of League level caps. Lower level players need a system that allows them to be competitive.

Originally posted by PinTBC
There are significant problems trying to control levels using money. My team is a great example, I have a slew of level 12s, and 13s on my team. They should be costing me a fortune, but since we are a group of friends, no-one is commanding a huge salary. I could go out and get a couple fairly high levels if I wanted to, and guarenteed they would take the absolute minimum.

Contrast that to a team that doesn't have those connections, and you have a huge disparity.

PinTBC

Bottom line though is that when they hit level 8 or 16 and want to upgrade equipment they're going to need $$$$ and you'd probably have to re-do their contract to get it to them.

Regardless of how good of friends they are, there is STILL a minimum salary you MUST pay in order to retain their services when their contracts end...

Sure you might think that right now you're paying them the minimum for a level 4 player because that's what level they were when you signed them, but the players cannot afford to train on a high level or afford to upgrade equipment at that salary... When you redo the contracts you'll have to pay the minimum for whatever level they are.

Money becomes a factor no matter how good of chums they are....

Originally posted by Payton3434

Bottom line though is that when they hit level 8 or 16 and want to upgrade equipment they're going to need $$$$ and you'd probably have to re-do their contract to get it to them.

Everyone has bought level 8 equipment, and we went through the finances showing what level 16 will cost. As a team, everyone is training on relaxed to save as much as they can, and I will most likely not offer new contracts when they all hit level 16 because the team will not be able to afford it. Not one single (actually one guy did, but he was just giving me a hard time) person complained as they all realized that the team couldn't sustain a 50K signing bonus around level 16, and new contracts. You try doing that with a collection of strangers. I've seen people whine to get off a team because they were only getting 20ish plays a game.

Originally posted by Payton3434

Regardless of how good of friends they are, there is STILL a minimum salary you MUST pay in order to retain their services when their contracts end...

Yes, and if you have a team of your own players (we have at least one of those in the BBBs, or a team of very good friends that minimum salary can hold almost no effect. How many of you managed to sign level 13ish players that you had not previously known for minimum salaries? Hell level 4s were getting 2000 a day when the teams first came out.

Originally posted by Payton3434

Sure you might think that right now you're paying them the minimum for a level 4 player because that's what level they were when you signed them, but the players cannot afford to train on a high level or afford to upgrade equipment at that salary... When you redo the contracts you'll have to pay the minimum for whatever level they are.

Agreed, when their salaries run out. No-one on my team trains above relaxed, because in the BBB league money is actually at a premium.

Originally posted by Payton3434

Money becomes a factor no matter how good of chums they are....


Only to a point, and Like I said, I have access to a few players over level 16 that I could bring in if I wanted to, and I know they would join for no signing bonus, and the minimum salary. So, how does that line up with the other guy who is paying double that for someone 4 or 5 levels lower?

PinTBC

Originally posted by WEglAudacity
I'm actually in favor of League level caps. Lower level players need a system that allows them to be competitive.

I agree, Level Caps rather than Salary caps. But the Level Cap should be a limit
on when you can enter a league. Once you're in, you should be able to stay with that team as long as you want. That way you wouln't be forced to find a new team if the one you're on does'nt move up as you level up above the limit

Originally posted by SAVAGE OPS
Originally posted by WEglAudacity

I'm actually in favor of League level caps. Lower level players need a system that allows them to be competitive.

I agree, Level Caps rather than Salary caps. But the Level Cap should be a limit
on when you can enter a league. Once you're in, you should be able to stay with that team as long as you want. That way you wouln't be forced to find a new team if the one you're on does'nt move up as you level up above the limit

I agree. Once you're on the team, you're on the team. If your team has leveled up players enough to be an imbalance to the league, they either should be promoted or they aren't good enough to be unbalancing in the first place.

Originally posted by WEglAudacity
I'm actually in favor of League level caps. Lower level players need a system that allows them to be competitive.

With only 2 teams being promoted this is a bad idea. our team in the BBB 12 has lvl 16's on it. most likely we wont make the title game due to a team better then us in our conf.

If there was 6 teams being promoted then i can understand the caps.

Originally posted by Whatsdafus
Originally posted by WEglAudacity

I'm actually in favor of League level caps. Lower level players need a system that allows them to be competitive.

With only 2 teams being promoted this is a bad idea. our team in the BBB 12 has lvl 16's on it. most likely we wont make the title game due to a team better then us in our conf.

If there was 6 teams being promoted then i can understand the caps.

You didn't ask if I was in favor of increased promotion/relegation.

Originally posted by PinTBC
Originally posted by Payton3434


Bottom line though is that when they hit level 8 or 16 and want to upgrade equipment they're going to need $$$$ and you'd probably have to re-do their contract to get it to them.

Everyone has bought level 8 equipment, and we went through the finances showing what level 16 will cost. As a team, everyone is training on relaxed to save as much as they can, and I will most likely not offer new contracts when they all hit level 16 because the team will not be able to afford it. Not one single (actually one guy did, but he was just giving me a hard time) person complained as they all realized that the team couldn't sustain a 50K signing bonus around level 16, and new contracts. You try doing that with a collection of strangers. I've seen people whine to get off a team because they were only getting 20ish plays a game.

Originally posted by Payton3434


Regardless of how good of friends they are, there is STILL a minimum salary you MUST pay in order to retain their services when their contracts end...

Yes, and if you have a team of your own players (we have at least one of those in the BBBs, or a team of very good friends that minimum salary can hold almost no effect. How many of you managed to sign level 13ish players that you had not previously known for minimum salaries? Hell level 4s were getting 2000 a day when the teams first came out.

Originally posted by Payton3434


Sure you might think that right now you're paying them the minimum for a level 4 player because that's what level they were when you signed them, but the players cannot afford to train on a high level or afford to upgrade equipment at that salary... When you redo the contracts you'll have to pay the minimum for whatever level they are.

Agreed, when their salaries run out. No-one on my team trains above relaxed, because in the BBB league money is actually at a premium.

Originally posted by Payton3434


Money becomes a factor no matter how good of chums they are....


Only to a point, and Like I said, I have access to a few players over level 16 that I could bring in if I wanted to, and I know they would join for no signing bonus, and the minimum salary. So, how does that line up with the other guy who is paying double that for someone 4 or 5 levels lower?

PinTBC


Oh please... Giving 40 players 50k signing bonus is 2 mill. thats not alot of cash. if you did the right things at the beginning of the season you would be ok with team cash. Thats if all 40 players hit 16. figure 22 ate most and your looking at a tad over a mill and a great long term investment of building a great team

Well we made 8 million this year. We had to do some trades for some of our guys and that cost a bit of money. We maxed out the seats that on the 100 level sidelines by the second game. I probably could have made more if I wasn't trying to get that money quick to do that upgrading of seats. That cost 3,650k I think. I gave 10k bonouses to everyone for their level 8 equipment. We are going to finish the regular season with about 2.5 million. Than we are doing pretty well in our conference. Right now it looks like we will have 2 home games for sure maybe three. And if we get number 1 seed in our conference and win out than the league championship game will be a home game as well. That's at least 1.5mil a game the way I have it figured. So we will have our 2.5 plus 3.0 equaling 5.5 million heading into the offseason. We are going to get the loan so we will have 7 million minimum for stadium construction. That's all 4 corners and both endzones. If we roll into next season with the bottom completely done(besides the extra seats in the new sections) we can make 14 million easy off ticket sales alone. Pay off the loan with the season ticket sales to avoid interest. And then a couple days later renegotiate all your guys contracts to pay for their equipment upgrades at level 16. I play to pay everyone the minimum for lvl 19 all year. That will be more than they need at first for training and less at the end to balance out.(That's assuming they plan to boost, most of my guys do. Even if I were to give everyone a bonous of 50k and pay them all the minimum for lvl 19 all year that only comes up to about 6.6million. So we got 6.6 for salaries(and that's more than it's realy going to be) and 1.5 to pay off the loan and that's 8.1 million. We will have 6 million left to upgrade the stadium the next offseason. And that's not counting concession sales or playoff games. Teams should have no problem paying their players what they need. If they implement the status items next season you could even make sure everyone can afford them as well. Just make sure if you are an owner that you are staying on top of the finances and reinvesting the surplus money into the stadium.

Originally posted by PinTBC
Bottom line though is

that this idea blows so many balls. Don't fuck with my players, or the leagues their in. You made the game, let it balance itself out.

I think that Bort needs to not try to make this sort of sweeping change with so little time spent in Beta that it isn't possible to tell whether or not the "problems" are actually problems, or if they will actually correct themselves.

Reading is fundamental.

I can't believe how many posts I'm seeing about people whining about the players on their teams. The current proposal doesn't touch any players on your team. It stops you from getting players higher than an adjusted average of the players in that league. Once they are on your team however, they are not affected.

When Bort set up the Pyramid structure of the USA Leagues, he stated that he envisioned the BBB leagues as sort of the entry level leagues, where the better teams would propogate upwards, and each level above they would encounter higher level teams until reaching the Pro league they would be playing the very best.

What he said he failed to consider was the desire for people to bring high level free agents in to cream newbies. It surprised him that people thought 115-0 games were things that would make this game fun to play.

What he is trying to do is actually get the league structure back to his pyramid design.

PinTBC

Originally posted by PinTBC
Reading is fundamental.

I can't believe how many posts I'm seeing about people whining about the players on their teams. The current proposal doesn't touch any players on your team. It stops you from getting players higher than an adjusted average of the players in that league. Once they are on your team however, they are not affected.

When Bort set up the Pyramid structure of the USA Leagues, he stated that he envisioned the BBB leagues as sort of the entry level leagues, where the better teams would propogate upwards, and each level above they would encounter higher level teams until reaching the Pro league they would be playing the very best.

What he said he failed to consider was the desire for people to bring high level free agents in to cream newbies. It surprised him that people thought 115-0 games were things that would make this game fun to play.

What he is trying to do is actually get the league structure back to his pyramid design.

PinTBC

Pin, in Tennessee, we had a saying. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't get a jacka** to read.

Seriously though. It was bad enough when you had players with one season worth of xp. Now, some will have two seasons worth of xp. New players need somewhere they can come in and play on human teams without being doormats.

Well, since Pin seems to be unable to let his copy/paste obsession go, I'll join him:

I think that Bort needs to not try to make this sort of sweeping change with so little time spent in Beta that it isn't possible to tell whether or not the "problems" are actually problems, or if they will actually correct themselves.

I think that Bort needs to not try to make this sort of sweeping change with so little time spent in Beta that it isn't possible to tell whether or not the "problems" are actually problems, or if they will actually correct themselves.

I think that Bort needs to not try to make this sort of sweeping change with so little time spent in Beta that it isn't possible to tell whether or not the "problems" are actually problems, or if they will actually correct themselves.

I think that Bort needs to not try to make this sort of sweeping change with so little time spent in Beta that it isn't possible to tell whether or not the "problems" are actually problems, or if they will actually correct themselves.

I think that Bort needs to not try to make this sort of sweeping change with so little time spent in Beta that it isn't possible to tell whether or not the "problems" are actually problems, or if they will actually correct themselves.

I think that Bort needs to not try to make this sort of sweeping change with so little time spent in Beta that it isn't possible to tell whether or not the "problems" are actually problems, or if they will actually correct themselves.

I think that Bort needs to not try to make this sort of sweeping change with so little time spent in Beta that it isn't possible to tell whether or not the "problems" are actually problems, or if they will actually correct themselves.