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lol I know PP... I know.

I'd honestly do an agreement though - I tried to do one with the OFG's before our game but Duff didn't want to game plan (don't blame him). I probably would have done with the DDL if TSE had asked. It's not MY fault the sim is as shitty as it is. I'm working with what I have. To me, the teams that don't are begging to lose and if playing to win within the guidelines of the game we have is poor sportsmanship, then eh, I guess I'm a poor sport. *rolls eyes*

Good luck on our coin flip PP, may the best running team win. I imagine it'll come down to the end (well that's what I'm hoping for anyway lol). I'm sure you'll have some tricks up your sleeves as always -- I'll do what I can to counter them.

Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Originally posted by cwrujosh

Originally posted by The Strategy Expert


Originally posted by cwrujosh




Better to be remembered as a strong competitor, than a sore loser.

Oh I totally agree. I am sure there are a TON of people reading this and going to have the perspective that I didn't take the high road. I just disagree with that perspective and felt these things needed to be said and am very happy with everything that I have addressed here and believe that I have the right attitude on this topic.

There is a certain honor in admitting defeat, and working to correct what went wrong in order to achieve victory.

I agree, and conventional wisdom would say that I could command a lot of respect by saying nothing but "good game" and you the man and showing absolutely no excuses or criticisms of any kind. That sells well with people no doubt. But to me, I think it's more important to clear the air on these issues for the good of the game going forward, in hopes that it inspires other to be better sports in the future whether in this game, or elsewhere in life. I am willing to sacrifice my own ego and my own perception in this game to those that think I have taken the low road, because I don't believe that I have, I believe in the converse actually and consider myself to be setting a great example by doing the right thing and talking frankly and openly and honestly on the subject, rather than dodging the issue and taking the politically correct "good guy" that gives props to his opponent and in admittance of defeat. I ONLY DO THAT when I feel it is earned, because when I say something, I genuinely mean it, and then the complements and respect to that person can be truly appreciated because of it's sincerity AND it's merit, and not some PC fluff talk to try and impress others by taking the so-called and obligatory "high road".

Since I've gotten to know you a bit in my time here, let me ask you something:

You pride yourself on finding the optimum strategy for success in "strategy" games. Your moniker is purposeful. Clearly your success has much to do with your strategies.

That being the case, when the game rewards success to those players than employ a given tactics, namely, Strong I Slam, why would you not use it? Why would you continue to play a strategy that is likely to LOSE you the game?

I think this is a fair question.

Originally posted by cwrujosh


I certainly hope no prospective FAs of yours read this forum.

Actually, any FAs I talk to I am going to link to this thread, because I want them to know what they are signing up for, and if they don't respect me for how I play the game, then they are not the type of guys I want to have on this team. I also don't hold it personally against my own players if they read this and don't like my perspective and want off the team. That's their free choice to have their own opinions and beliefs, and I won't hold it against them or treat them unfairly if they aren't comfortable with my set of beliefs in the game. I want all of them to have as much fun as they can with the last 2-3 seasons of their players' careers, and if that includes being here on this team, then awesome, and if it's not, then that's ok and I can respect their decision.

Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Originally posted by cwrujosh



I certainly hope no prospective FAs of yours read this forum.

Actually, any FAs I talk to I am going to link to this thread, because I want them to know what they are signing up for, and if they don't respect me for how I play the game, then they are not the type of guys I want to have on this team. I also don't hold it personally against my own players if they read this and don't like my perspective and want off the team. That's their free choice to have their own opinions and beliefs, and I won't hold it against them or treat them unfairly if they aren't comfortable with my set of beliefs in the game. I want all of them to have as much fun as they can with the last 2-3 seasons of their players' careers, and if that includes being here on this team, then awesome, and if it's not, then that's ok and I can respect their decision.

Well I certainly commend you for that.

I need to try that recruiting pitch:

"Hey guys, we're not going to try to win but we'll have fun losing!"

Woo Hoo!

The QB boot is more broken than the depth chart/energy settings, surprised we haven't heard more about that.

snarf

Originally posted by CG
The QB boot is more broken than the depth chart/energy settings, surprised we haven't heard more about that.

snarf

We will once more people get rushing QBs, I'm making a QB just for that and I'll have to bitch if Bort actually does fix it.

Originally posted by cwrujosh
Why would you continue to play a strategy that is likely to LOSE you the game?


Because my objective is not to win at any cost. I don't want a championship trophy in this game if I have to sacrifice things that are more important to what I view as an honorable approach to the spirit of the game. I want to win a trophy while upholding the highest of standards possible for honor, integrity, and sportsmanship, and I don't want to win a trophy by having to compromise those values, that categorically is a PERSONAL choice that I have made thus far, NOT a STRATEGY choice. But I can live with myself regardless of the outcome, cause in the end the most important thing to me is knowing for myself that I played the game the right way, and accomplished as much as I could against great odds.

Originally posted by Mofo
Originally posted by CG

The QB boot is more broken than the depth chart/energy settings, surprised we haven't heard more about that.

snarf

We will once more people get rushing QBs, I'm making a QB just for that and I'll have to bitch if Bort actually does fix it.

I'm making a power running QB. Should be quite entertaining in a few seasons. lol

Originally posted by Mofo
Originally posted by CG

The QB boot is more broken than the depth chart/energy settings, surprised we haven't heard more about that.

snarf

We will once more people get rushing QBs, I'm making a QB just for that and I'll have to bitch if Bort actually does fix it.

Honestly, I don't see a big problem with it (and yea, I know I'm biased). The play can be stopped. Rather easily in fact (I stop it all the time on the teams I GM).

The one thing it does, however, is punishes teams that send 8-9 up the middle. It forces a defense to make strategic choices. Right now, it's pretty simple - stop the inside run, and stop the pass. There is no game planning the outside run. The QB boot at least makes that happen. Of course, if the outside pitches worked worth a damn then teams wouldn't need running QB's to go to the outside.

When every one else has a running QB in USA Pro, just remember who started all the havoc!

Originally posted by thehazyone
Originally posted by Mofo

Originally posted by CG


The QB boot is more broken than the depth chart/energy settings, surprised we haven't heard more about that.

snarf

We will once more people get rushing QBs, I'm making a QB just for that and I'll have to bitch if Bort actually does fix it.

Honestly, I don't see a big problem with it (and yea, I know I'm biased). The play can be stopped. Rather easily in fact (I stop it all the time on the teams I GM).

The one thing it does, however, is punishes teams that send 8-9 up the middle. It forces a defense to make strategic choices. Right now, it's pretty simple - stop the inside run, and stop the pass. There is no game planning the outside run. The QB boot at least makes that happen. Of course, if the outside pitches worked worth a damn then teams wouldn't need running QB's to go to the outside.

When every one else has a running QB in USA Pro, just remember who started all the havoc!

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=373268&pbp_id=11744149

I know I'm probably biased too but if that isn't a busted play I don't know what is

Copeland has mad skillz. Hater.

Originally posted by thehazyone

"Hey guys, we're not going to try to win but we'll have fun losing!"


That's pretty clever and funny.

Well for one thing, I would not consider the way I approached the game to be a declaration of "not trying". I tried VERY hard all year long to TRY MY BEST to win with what I was working with in terms of my priorities for my values and beliefs. And I was hoping that we could have made a better showing and shocked the world, but that's on me, I didn't win and I didn't get the job done, and I let my team down in that regard, but it sure wasn't for a lack of trying to win.

And also, no, it's not fun losing, and I had virtually no fun this year myself. I also only watched our playoff game today for only like 2-3 minutes and then posted the result in our forum immediately afterwards, which normally I don't do for about 45 minutes or so until I can post ALL the big highlights whether we win or lose the game, but today it just wasn't fun for me anymore so I bypassed that today.

And I doubt anybody had much fun on my team this year, except maybe IceCold since he defended his receiving yards trophy, I find that to be kinda fun! But that's partly because there wasn't anything else remotely fun going on, and that's all I had left.

But for the rest of the team, all I can do is say I'm sorry that I didn't deliver wins or fun this year, and that's something I have to live with and accept, and hopefully they will understand.

I was trying to be clever and funny.

I'm not mad TSE - I don't like being called a poor sport, but that's your opinion.

Good luck with recruiting. My whole team is returning so I get to thankfully avoid that head ache.

And fwiw Ice Cold and Jackson are beasts - our defensive game plan revolved entirely around limiting the damage they could do. I posted this in our team forum - I was more proud of our defense this game than the run fest. Anyone can run the ball, but to hold DDL to 10 points was a huge accomplishment imo.

Originally posted by thehazyone
lol I know PP... I know.

I'd honestly do an agreement though - I tried to do one with the OFG's before our game but Duff didn't want to game plan (don't blame him). I probably would have done with the DDL if TSE had asked. It's not MY fault the sim is as shitty as it is. I'm working with what I have. To me, the teams that don't are begging to lose and if playing to win within the guidelines of the game we have is poor sportsmanship, then eh, I guess I'm a poor sport. *rolls eyes*

Good luck on our coin flip PP, may the best running team win. I imagine it'll come down to the end (well that's what I'm hoping for anyway lol). I'm sure you'll have some tricks up your sleeves as always -- I'll do what I can to counter them.

I learned my lesson on agreements by making a loose one with Duff. I told him I wouldn't run 100% or anything ridiculous like that. I had the sim set to run around 60% and then the sim called runs on every play of the 1st drive but one, and more in general than I had set. I felt like a major ass after wards. Luckily, we didn't score on that drive and TOs were the real story of the game. I'd have felt even worse if that had decided the game. I've had the sim run certain run plays way more than they were dialed up a couple games this ssn (I believe I have it figured out why, but will save that until after we're out of the POs). You play your game within the confines of what you feel is "sporting," I'll do the same and one of us will win. No matter how you look at it, it's only a game, trophies are only cheesy drawings and no lives will be spared or taken by the outcome.