Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
Originally posted by jfbueno

Originally posted by CrushSickels


Originally posted by coachviking



Originally posted by CrushSickels




How to win at dotball ...

A. find exploit

B. use exploit to your advantage

C. Wash rinse Repeat

D. Call everyone crybabies in forums for complaining about using exploit

E. Defend the fact that you are abusing an exploit viciously in forums

F. Cry about exploit being taken away ..

G. Start over at "A."



I cant wait till F happens ... but i know it will just lead to "G"

WOW we have been winning by doing this for 7 seasons now DAMN WE ARE GOOD

MORON

nothing more damming than the truth ...

Season 4 average broken tackles per game = 8
Season 5 = 7
Season 6 = 9 (an up year for you guys!)
Season 7 = 1.5 (a down year for you guys)
Season 8 (so far) = 33

WAIT .... 33 broken tackles per game ??!!! that is VERY different than the previous years .. so say anything you want ... but dont say you have been doing it for 7 seasons ...

and dont say you are not taking advantage of a exploit

that being said .. im through with this debate ... you can talk to a brick all you want .. it wont listen

MEM has been WINNING for 7 seasons. If you can't grasp that then oh well. As long as we aren't donging our way to our championships then it ISN'T an exploit. Now get the hell off of MEM's nuts.

And give me a break, even coachviking said it's an exploit and "if it takes them a whole season of running it to get the game fixed, the Monkeys will take all the heat". Something to that effect.

It's a programming error, not an exploit. Hopefully it will be fixed because nobody wants this to happen for the long run of GLB.

Look, I'm not trying to complain here, because we do it too, and any team with any sense and urge to win will follow suit.

But you are exploiting a programming error. Let's not argue semantics here.

I'm not mad at you guys for doing it, but don't act like it's not an exploit.

I agree that power backs are over powered. That is not at all what I was saying - I am saying that to criticize someone on here for doing what works is crazy. I even mentioned games on consoles because I know all too well about video game football exploits. My reply was that those are slightly different because they rarely change. Sure, minor updates, but usually only for huge bugs (like FAs disappearing in franchise mode making it unplayable). On this game stuff changes all the time. What are you going to say? Because O-line pathing was so messed up until season 6 all championships before that don't matter or that people who had built D-linemen with speed and agility and no strength were doing something wrong? My point is they were doing what works, which was neither right nor wrong. There was no moral dimension to it. Bort did not like the way that aspect of the game was panning out so he altered it and now people build differently. People love to argue and criticize, and it is a very American response to failure to try and claim the other person is cheating somehow, but ultimately I think the approach I suggested is more productive.

I would define a programming error as something not working as designed, e.g. timeouts being called incorrectly. Power backs are working exactly as they were programmed to - it's just that people think they should be programmed differently. It is more of a conceptual "problem" (if you consider it one). In other words the "problem" of power backs is an opinion, not a fact. Ultimately the one who decides if they are "working" or "not working" (again, conceptually, not programming wise) is bort and he is basing his assessment totally on what he thinks the game should be.

Not sure who you are talking to with that tpat, but I just said I'm not criticizing them for using it, and they'd be crazy not to.

To get back on topic with the why Larry Fucking Csonka is so good...the guy has been good since his creation...so this nonsense about exploits is meaningless....the exploit isnt breaking 30 tackles a game.

Csonka has been un-nerfable throughout his 8 seasons. If it gets to a point where bort makes it so that Csonka can't do shit as a powerback then EVERY powerback will be worthless(Don't see it happening but some morons are calling for Csonka nerfs)

Originally posted by kr0n
Originally posted by arcadecowboy

lol, what?

do you not have brothers?

well punching your brother, i can agree but that happens anyway

but if you pla someone in say, an arcade and they do something you determine to be cheap, would you punch them?

and you dont have to be tookie williams to take offense to being punched over something so stupid <_<

No, I wouldn't punch a stranger in the arm. I don't really go to arcades, anyway, despite my username. And at any rate, it's not like I'd go off slugging my brother or a friend John Wayne style

Nor would I even arm-punch a friend who would get upset about it. Especially if they tend to carry a gun or knife.

The point was simply to compare the Csonka situation to a similar, (hopefully) easily identifiable situation, and bring up the difference between the two - namely, that short of crying on a message board about it, there's not much you can do to make them stop in the GLB version. Not go back and forth about who I'd arm punch, and the trouble into which it will eventually land me


Edit: Damn, a lot of posts went by between when I hit reply and when I hit send. The downfalls of having to take time away from GLB to work...

Originally posted by bhall43
To get back on topic with the why Larry Fucking Csonka is so good...the guy has been good since his creation...so this nonsense about exploits is meaningless....the exploit isnt breaking 30 tackles a game.

I know the greatness of Csonka since he was on Golden State way back when. I wasn't saying HE is an exploit. The exploit is any team can pretty much run a Strong I Slam and get their HB 3 yds before anyone can get a hand on them. Of course it doesn't ALWAYS work that way, but on average if you have a good O-line, you will get your 3.5 YPC. That is how the current sim works. Most teams have been exploiting the fact that the run is almost unstoppable in this game. The teams I'm involved with are guilty of it too. I'm not trying to bash any teams here, but lets not pretend it's not an exploit of how the current sim works.

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
Originally posted by bhall43

To get back on topic with the why Larry Fucking Csonka is so good...the guy has been good since his creation...so this nonsense about exploits is meaningless....the exploit isnt breaking 30 tackles a game.

I know the greatness of Csonka since he was on Golden State way back when. I wasn't saying HE is an exploit. The exploit is any team can pretty much run a Strong I Slam and get their HB 3 yds before anyone can get a hand on them. Of course it doesn't ALWAYS work that way, but on average if you have a good O-line, you will get your 3.5 YPC. That is how the current sim works. Most teams have been exploiting the fact that the run is almost unstoppable in this game. The teams I'm involved with are guilty of it too. I'm not trying to bash any teams here, but lets not pretend it's not an exploit of how the current sim works.

not pretending there isnt an exploit...just saying that Csonka is not the result of an exploit....just trying not to confuse the 2 as being one in the same.

His success is not the result of an exploit. But he is the pinnacle of the exploit in practice, because MEM runs like 60 times a game with the same player.

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
His success is not the result of an exploit. But he is the pinnacle of the exploit in practice, because MEM runs like 60 times a game with the same player.

have you seen his carries lately

Originally posted by jfbueno
Csonka has been un-nerfable throughout his 8 seasons. If it gets to a point where bort makes it so that Csonka can't do shit as a powerback then EVERY powerback will be worthless(Don't see it happening but some morons are calling for Csonka nerfs)

tackling, powerbacks, SIM need fixing.....but Zonk should still be dominant and other well built power HB's should still be very good. If he nerfs power HB's to being garbage GLB if hopeless.

Nothing wrong with Csonka. It's the blocking on certain/most run plays. That and stamina should play a bigger role and effectiveness should go down after 30-35 carries or so.

Originally posted by kr0n
Nothing wrong with Csonka. It's the blocking on certain/most run plays. That and stamina should play a bigger role and effectiveness should go down after 30-35 carries or so.

im just afraid Bort will overreact and whatever he changes makes dominant players worthless. Historically, his changes are too drastic