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Originally posted by MadMike52
MEM does what it takes to win, that is the most important thing.

This is all any successful team is doing. You also have to have the builds and some game planning to pull it off. It's not that these teams are 'exploiting' the game, they are simply finding the path of least resistance to victory. If the condition of the sim were different, then teams would behave differently. As was pointed out, MEM (and many other teams) have won in other seasons doing different things. Good teams adapt. Every one else cant or chooses not to, and they have only themselves to blame.

That said, I'm no fan of running 50+times a game. I wish it were different. Clearly we all do.

Why is it when someone figures out something that works its called an exploit? WW and MEM thought ahead in the pre season recruited who they needed and set their team up to succeed. We all had the same off/pre season they had and some of us guessed wrong like my team but is trying to fix it as the season goes on and some guessed right.

As far as realistic goes no idea why people think teams in the NFL are not built on the run. Fairly sure the Ravens won a superbowl on defense and run game. Kind of like the MEM is doing this year so where is there not realism. Passing game works believe me take a look at the Lightning's last game we got blown the hell up by Parma in the passing game. I slid the defense all the way towards run prevention and there outstanding QB and receivers shredded us to the toon of 500 yards in the passing game. Never had a team pass for that kind of yardage in all the seasons I have owned the Lightning.

i think its one of the good things about the game it constantly evolves how boring would it become if it stagnated after a few seasons all players would be the perfect build and teams would just be rolling the dice on the sim of who got lucky that day. MEM or WW win a championship this year more power to them, will the sim be the same next year nope, so we all can pick out a new road to try and recruit and set up different shemes to bring home the gold than.

exactly ken. But what you have here is just blind, irrational hatred on the handful of teams equipped to do it. Even though those same teams don't enjoy the situation themselves. It doesn't matter to the rest of these folks.

We're not going to sit here and go 5WR from the start of the game and allow some other team the chance to run over us first.

Originally posted by kenmoody
Originally posted by MadMike52

MEM does what it takes to win, that is the most important thing.

This is all any successful team is doing. You also have to have the builds and some game planning to pull it off. It's not that these teams are 'exploiting' the game, they are simply finding the path of least resistance to victory. If the condition of the sim were different, then teams would behave differently. As was pointed out, MEM (and many other teams) have won in other seasons doing different things. Good teams adapt. Every one else cant or chooses not to, and they have only themselves to blame.

That said, I'm no fan of running 50+times a game. I wish it were different. Clearly we all do.




Couldn't have said it better myself, in all honesty

Originally posted by islander1
exactly ken. But what you have here is just blind, irrational hatred on the handful of teams equipped to do it. Even though those same teams don't enjoy the situation themselves. It doesn't matter to the rest of these folks.

We're not going to sit here and go 5WR from the start of the game and allow some other team the chance to run over us first.

And you shouldn't. Do what you gotta do to win. It's not like the DC's don't know whats coming. Just like with HHW or HIB, maybe you cant completely stop it, but it's on each team's DC to find a way to slow it down enough to give themselves a chance at winning.

WW doesn't have that many new recruits either. One HB (Partlow, beast btw), one DE and one CB.

Same team as before. The sim is certainly favoring our style of play but that is of no fault to us. We're doing what we've always done tbh.

Originally posted by kenmoody
Originally posted by islander1

exactly ken. But what you have here is just blind, irrational hatred on the handful of teams equipped to do it. Even though those same teams don't enjoy the situation themselves. It doesn't matter to the rest of these folks.

We're not going to sit here and go 5WR from the start of the game and allow some other team the chance to run over us first.

And you shouldn't. Do what you gotta do to win. It's not like the DC's don't know whats coming. Just like with HHW or HIB, maybe you cant completely stop it, but it's on each team's DC to find a way to slow it down enough to give themselves a chance at winning.

and I know this first hand really :0

Originally posted by islander1
Originally posted by Drago

Originally posted by djgomez33


Originally posted by cwrujosh



Originally posted by djgomez33




Anyone find it odd none of the big Evil Monkey trolls have popped in? I don't. It's not like they wouldn't have seen this thread in the last 3 hours it has been up.

It's not a discussion about MEM, none of this pertains to any one team.

I agree with you that it's not about MEM. However, like mentioned early, some teams try to play with a 'level of respect for the game,' while others continue to exploit obvious flaws over and over.

I keep looking for the trophy for "level of respect for the game," but I can't find it.

We didn't whine like a bunch of bitches when HHW was running the same play 55-60 times in a game, we found a way to stop it and did once the playoffs rolled around.

bolded is what I find important here.

I don't recall any Wolfpack crying when we too got Csonka'd either nor would Monmouth if the turnovers went our way and we won by 3. Thats not what they do.

Moreover, its not like Monmouth just created this situation. They are just the latest in the line....their OL is amazing as well. Coincidence? not really. Look at their RG. A freakin stud.



It's not like it's impossible to stop, it's hard but hey Minnesota was in position to beat MEM but our offense completely failed. I am sure we'll give WW a hard game as well.

Originally posted by islander1
Originally posted by Drago

Originally posted by djgomez33


Originally posted by cwrujosh



Originally posted by djgomez33




Anyone find it odd none of the big Evil Monkey trolls have popped in? I don't. It's not like they wouldn't have seen this thread in the last 3 hours it has been up.

It's not a discussion about MEM, none of this pertains to any one team.

I agree with you that it's not about MEM. However, like mentioned early, some teams try to play with a 'level of respect for the game,' while others continue to exploit obvious flaws over and over.

I keep looking for the trophy for "level of respect for the game," but I can't find it.

We didn't whine like a bunch of bitches when HHW was running the same play 55-60 times in a game, we found a way to stop it and did once the playoffs rolled around.

bolded is what I find important here.

I don't recall any Wolfpack crying when we too got Csonka'd either nor would Monmouth if the turnovers went our way and we won by 3. Thats not what they do.

Moreover, its not like Monmouth just created this situation. They are just the latest in the line....their OL is amazing as well. Coincidence? not really. Look at their RG. A freakin stud.



I was calling Lincoln out, not the Wolfpack. But please don't talk about how good our offensive line is, we're hoping that fact gets lost on all these morons who keep complaining about how ReCsnokaulous things have gotten on our team.

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by islander1

Originally posted by Drago


Originally posted by djgomez33



Originally posted by cwrujosh




Originally posted by djgomez33





Anyone find it odd none of the big Evil Monkey trolls have popped in? I don't. It's not like they wouldn't have seen this thread in the last 3 hours it has been up.

It's not a discussion about MEM, none of this pertains to any one team.

I agree with you that it's not about MEM. However, like mentioned early, some teams try to play with a 'level of respect for the game,' while others continue to exploit obvious flaws over and over.

I keep looking for the trophy for "level of respect for the game," but I can't find it.

We didn't whine like a bunch of bitches when HHW was running the same play 55-60 times in a game, we found a way to stop it and did once the playoffs rolled around.

bolded is what I find important here.

I don't recall any Wolfpack crying when we too got Csonka'd either nor would Monmouth if the turnovers went our way and we won by 3. Thats not what they do.

Moreover, its not like Monmouth just created this situation. They are just the latest in the line....their OL is amazing as well. Coincidence? not really. Look at their RG. A freakin stud.



It's not like it's impossible to stop, it's hard but hey Minnesota was in position to beat MEM but our offense completely failed. I am sure we'll give WW a hard game as well.



Oh we'll see about that .

Vegas Bronco, sorry to see you standing at the exit. I hope you'll find something that changes your mind before you walk away for good, because you've been an asset to the game. Can't say that I've got anything to point out right now that would do it, but I hope it comes along.

My thoughts on your concerns about the current sim and how it could improve:

The overall forum discussion hovers around "power backs" (a deceptive term) and/or pancakes, but I think the biggest problem is the ease with which blockers can push back defenders. It's most noticeable from the Strong I formation, where the C, RG, ROT, TE, and FB are all available to push back the NT, LDE, LOLB, and SS (assuming the defense blitzes the SS to get him there early) and the line gets about 2.5-3 yards on the push. Any HB with decent carrying, decent strength, Dive 4 Yardage, and/or Tenacious adds another 1-2 yards. That's 3.5-5 yards per play... pretty easy to get consistent first downs with that alone. If the offensive line push were to take longer, allowing defenders to attempt tackles prior to being pushed back that full distance, those runs might be limited to 1-3 yards -- making it much harder to sustain a drive on running alone. The HB I describe here would be my idea of a true "power" back, or alternatively you could call him a "short-yardage" back.

Same blocking problem in a different situation: now those blockers are trying to open up holes. Imagine a Singleback formation where the defense must take a huge risk to keep even 7 in the box, and usually only has 6. Those same blockers now work to open up holes between D linemen, leaving a path for an "explosive" back (speed and carrying, with a little bit of strength and some tackle-breaking SAs like Stiffarm and Power Through along with the VA Bruiser)to hit the LB. A little bit of luck on the part of the explosive back and he's broken through into the secondary. If he builds up enough steam by the time the safety gets there, he's got a good chance of steamrolling the poor DB and taking it all the way to the house.

Root cause of both problems: blockers pushing defenders around with too much ease. I think a strength advantage should still mean something, but it might be better to take a little more time for a 300-pound, 130-strength OL to push around a 300-pound, 90-strength DL. This would make for fewer automatic yards per rushing attempt by the short-yardage back and smaller holes for the explosive back to try to exploit (meaning fewer successful big-yardage carries by the explosive back).

Add to this the tendency of a defense to start overplaying a play once it's been run several times successfully would be interesting. Even better, running the same play from the same formation several times and then switching things up (say, run Cross Up after 7 straight Off Tackles from the Strong I) and penalizing the defense (maybe -5% to vision) for overcommitting would make the game more interesting in a way that doesn't completely nerf offense.

I'd love to see more energy effects on both sides of the ball, too. HBs should wear down over the course of the game (seen in lower speed), but so should each defender who attempts a tackle whether he makes it or not (seen in lower strength and tackling). This would allow true power backs (as I refer to them, short-yardage backs) still have a place but not run rampant for 80 yards in the fourth quarter, either.

Overall you see some balanced recommendations imo: nerf to the speed at which OL can push around DL (and vice versa), bias vision in the same way that run-focus or pass-focus individual tactics do for running the same play over and over, and show more stamina/energy effects on both sides of the ball. These changes should encourage more variety on offense because the "3 yards and a cloud of dust" formula won't be nearly automatic between evenly-matched teams.

Of course I'd also recommend that any such changes be challenged thoroughly on the test server for other vulnerabilities, and no fundamental change be implemented until the offseason. I also think the admins should privately test changes on a server which no GLB players have access to, which uses existing teams and their AIs from big games. They could run 10 instances of games between each of the GLB "Top 10" or "Top 50" or whatever, to see how a change might affect the highest-profile games that the most people pay attention to. Announce at the end of the season (ideally on Day 40 so it's in time for the recruiting season) what the changes will consist of, and hope that Season 9 offers more-entertaining games than the fairly predictable fare we're seeing in Season 8.

edit: My typing has really gone downhill since college...

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by islander1

Originally posted by Drago


Originally posted by djgomez33



Originally posted by cwrujosh




Originally posted by djgomez33





Anyone find it odd none of the big Evil Monkey trolls have popped in? I don't. It's not like they wouldn't have seen this thread in the last 3 hours it has been up.

It's not a discussion about MEM, none of this pertains to any one team.

I agree with you that it's not about MEM. However, like mentioned early, some teams try to play with a 'level of respect for the game,' while others continue to exploit obvious flaws over and over.

I keep looking for the trophy for "level of respect for the game," but I can't find it.

We didn't whine like a bunch of bitches when HHW was running the same play 55-60 times in a game, we found a way to stop it and did once the playoffs rolled around.

bolded is what I find important here.

I don't recall any Wolfpack crying when we too got Csonka'd either nor would Monmouth if the turnovers went our way and we won by 3. Thats not what they do.

Moreover, its not like Monmouth just created this situation. They are just the latest in the line....their OL is amazing as well. Coincidence? not really. Look at their RG. A freakin stud.



It's not like it's impossible to stop, it's hard but hey Minnesota was in position to beat MEM but our offense completely failed. I am sure we'll give WW a hard game as well.



Not to sound like a dick but don't kid yourself

Having one half of your team get shut down doesn't = being in position to beat someone.

Originally posted by Drago
Originally posted by Hukton Vioxx

I can feel your pain in many ways, but please don't gut midseason.

He's not gutting.

Praise Jeezus!

Good post painmaker.

Originally posted by jfbueno
Originally posted by jrry32

Originally posted by islander1


Originally posted by Drago



Originally posted by djgomez33




Originally posted by cwrujosh





Originally posted by djgomez33






Anyone find it odd none of the big Evil Monkey trolls have popped in? I don't. It's not like they wouldn't have seen this thread in the last 3 hours it has been up.

It's not a discussion about MEM, none of this pertains to any one team.

I agree with you that it's not about MEM. However, like mentioned early, some teams try to play with a 'level of respect for the game,' while others continue to exploit obvious flaws over and over.

I keep looking for the trophy for "level of respect for the game," but I can't find it.

We didn't whine like a bunch of bitches when HHW was running the same play 55-60 times in a game, we found a way to stop it and did once the playoffs rolled around.

bolded is what I find important here.

I don't recall any Wolfpack crying when we too got Csonka'd either nor would Monmouth if the turnovers went our way and we won by 3. Thats not what they do.

Moreover, its not like Monmouth just created this situation. They are just the latest in the line....their OL is amazing as well. Coincidence? not really. Look at their RG. A freakin stud.



It's not like it's impossible to stop, it's hard but hey Minnesota was in position to beat MEM but our offense completely failed. I am sure we'll give WW a hard game as well.



Not to sound like a dick but don't kid yourself

Having one half of your team get shut down doesn't = being in position to beat someone.

JF, 12 points after the first quarter buddy...if our offense would have been even halfway decent(nice job jdros), that game would have come down to the wire.