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i have 2 qb's based on this theory but i have to wait to get real answers because one is a d league team the other is on my casual team but i think i can tell a major difference in the to QB's

Originally posted by merk
The question isn't what has been best this season. The real question is what is best now that vision works to lead the WR....

Strength still...

Originally posted by kingofgod

Your QB. Qb rating 129 in AA at level 46 on an undefeated team
My QB. Qb rating 126 in AA at level 42 on a sub 500 team.

Build is open.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=596110

Really?

There have been people with all kinds of builds that have put up great stats. Hell, you could have 30 strength, or throwing, or vision, or whatever and put up great stats. There are WAY to many factors at play to make such an outlandish comparison like that. Not to mention it just gets more complicated when you throw in stat padding.

If you wanna say strength is the most important attribute for a QB then give us some actual proof other than "look at me". Especially since 1000 of your yards and 19 of your TDs are from blowouts.

Originally posted by kingofgod

Strength is most important attribute.

I think the fact that each of the WRs, TEs and HBs on your team have 4 or less drops this season and last season might have been a major factor in your QBs success.

Originally posted by Viscount
Originally posted by kingofgod


Strength is most important attribute.

I think the fact that each of the WRs, TEs and HBs on your team have 4 or less drops this season and last season might have been a major factor in your QBs success.

Hmm.. never thought about that. I always figured other teams WRs had few drops also. Last season our drops went way down after leading the league in drops the season before that.

Originally posted by mgbl3
Originally posted by kingofgod


Your QB. Qb rating 129 in AA at level 46 on an undefeated team
My QB. Qb rating 126 in AA at level 42 on a sub 500 team.

Build is open.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=596110

Really?

There have been people with all kinds of builds that have put up great stats. Hell, you could have 30 strength, or throwing, or vision, or whatever and put up great stats. There are WAY to many factors at play to make such an outlandish comparison like that. Not to mention it just gets more complicated when you throw in stat padding.

If you wanna say strength is the most important attribute for a QB then give us some actual proof other than "look at me". Especially since 1000 of your yards and 19 of your TDs are from blowouts.

My Qb

win 46-43 65% 2 TDs 250 yards
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=377652

loss 19-28 48% 1 TD 265 yards
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=377630

loss 16-29 64% 1 TD 1 INT 220 yards
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=377604
(int)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=377604&pbp_id=4875391
(Just a bad throw which I am fine with since I know I am sacrificing accuracy to have a stronger arm)

loss 37-44 65% 4 TDs 402 yards
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=377687

loss 30-34 58% 3 TDs 264 yards
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=377704

Those all of my competitive games so far this season.

Your QB (Just for sake of comparison, not bragging) Also, for other people looking at the stats, this Qb is splits time so notice the % mainly since w/o splitting time his yards and TDs would be higher.

Win 27-16 47% 1 TD 111 yards
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=395905

Win 40-33 60% 1 TD 257 yards
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=395799

Win 41-23 61% 1TD 95 yards
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=395856

Loss 47-26 39% 1 TD 2 INTs 135 yards
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=395818
(ints)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=395818&pbp_id=10004345
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=395818&pbp_id=9997681


After looking at the numbers I still think that strength is the number one attribute. Mainly because of completion percentage and how the interceptions happened. Your Qb (Im guessing 60 strength 85 vision 100+ throwing, please let me know if I am wrong) still makes throws into double coverage with high vision, as shown in the 2 ints posted.

My Qb also makes throws into double coverage, but because his arm strength is so high it works sometimes.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=377652&pbp_id=2980077
Just an example of it working, usually that is a PD. If I only had 60 strength and tried to force it in it is a PD every time and usually a int because the defender has more time to get in position to make the play.

Having higher strength also cuts down on pass deflections. Your Qb has a pass defended 43% of the time while mine has a pass defended 36% of the time. You would think that with low vision he would make more throws into double coverage and good coverage resulting in a PD, but because he has good strength he can get away with it and beat the coverage by throing it faster then they can run or react.

Shouldn't we also compare our O-lines, WR's, defenses played against, and all there SA's and VA's? Not to mention morale and confidence levels? Plus sim probability? Again, too many factors at play.

Plus certain things, such as PDs for instance, are also highly dependent on WR carring. So again, nothing you gave was any proof whatsoever. "My QB performs better" doesn't prove you have a better build.

As a side note, how did you get the % pass defended number?

Originally posted by mgbl3
Shouldn't we also compare our O-lines, WR's, defenses played against, and all there SA's and VA's? Not to mention morale and confidence levels? Plus sim probability? Again, too many factors at play.

Plus certain things, such as PDs for instance, are also highly dependent on WR carring. So again, nothing you gave was any proof whatsoever. "My QB performs better" doesn't prove you have a better build.

As a side note, how did you get the % pass defended number?

Okay, you're a moron. He layed out the info of how he performed very well compared to your QB and you're saying you don't care if your player does well because he has a "good build" but wouldn't a "good build" make your player play good?. Now since I own a lot of players on his team let me tell you this. Our WR's have catching capped, no more except I believe one has his double capped. My HB which is the beneficiary of many of those long TD's on HB fly plays has 30 catching. Our TE's have catching capped. So our catching attribute isn't extraordinarily high whatsoever.

Now to talk about our O-Line. Our LG, C, RG, and RT are all run built, only the C has any really SA's into pass blocking. Our LT is a prototypical pass blocking OT which is no surprise. So needless to say, Sean Joc get's sacked quite a bit and that is not hit fault. So here let's break it down.

Joc can throw the ball with pressure b/c of the O-line being run block oriented to WR's that don't have extremely high catching and hit them in the only place that they can catch it and the CB can't more often than your QB. Oh and let's not even mention that Joc is outleveled by as many as 10 levels in all the losses we've had this season.

So yes, kingofgod's QB is much better built than yours I don't even have to go into SA's and VA's because if your build was any good at all you'd have ungodly stats right now.

Okay, I decided to continue my rant b/c of how stupid your posts are. How could sim probability be an issue when he's consistently pwning the competition? And when your QB can't do anything consistently?

/thread

Originally posted by mgbl3
Shouldn't we also compare our O-lines, WR's, defenses played against, and all there SA's and VA's? Not to mention morale and confidence levels? Plus sim probability? Again, too many factors at play.

Plus certain things, such as PDs for instance, are also highly dependent on WR carring. So again, nothing you gave was any proof whatsoever. "My QB performs better" doesn't prove you have a better build.

As a side note, how did you get the % pass defended number?

Its the only thing we have to compare though.

I ran the game scout script which shows the amount of Pds a qb has and divided by how many attempts we had.

Also, I wasnt doing this to prove my Qb is better then yours. I am trying to prove that strength is more important then vision.

Originally posted by Cadillac2106


Okay, you're a moron. He layed out the info of how he performed very well compared to your QB and you're saying you don't care if your player does well because he has a "good build" but wouldn't a "good build" make your player play good?. Now since I own a lot of players on his team let me tell you this. Our WR's have catching capped, no more except I believe one has his double capped. My HB which is the beneficiary of many of those long TD's on HB fly plays has 30 catching. Our TE's have catching capped. So our catching attribute isn't extraordinarily high whatsoever.

Now to talk about our O-Line. Our LG, C, RG, and RT are all run built, only the C has any really SA's into pass blocking. Our LT is a prototypical pass blocking OT which is no surprise. So needless to say, Sean Joc get's sacked quite a bit and that is not hit fault. So here let's break it down.

Joc can throw the ball with pressure b/c of the O-line being run block oriented to WR's that don't have extremely high catching and hit them in the only place that they can catch it and the CB can't more often than your QB. Oh and let's not even mention that Joc is outleveled by as many as 10 levels in all the losses we've had this season.

So yes, kingofgod's QB is much better built than yours I don't even have to go into SA's and VA's because if your build was any good at all you'd have ungodly stats right now.

Okay, I decided to continue my rant b/c of how stupid your posts are. How could sim probability be an issue when he's consistently pwning the competition? And when your QB can't do anything consistently?

/thread

Neither him nor I are comparing who has a better QB so I have no idea what made you butt in so aggresively. He's trying to make a point and I'm simply questioning it. Calm down sparky.

It's like when people come on the boards and say "look i had 20 TDs and 2000 yards in 1 game i have the best QB build!!!1". He's obviously not doing that, but just because he's put up good stats with his build in his situation doesn't prove his point. There are plenty of other builds, in plenty of other similar situations putting up just as good of stats.

Originally posted by kingofgod

Its the only thing we have to compare though.

I ran the game scout script which shows the amount of Pds a qb has and divided by how many attempts we had.

Also, I wasnt doing this to prove my Qb is better then yours. I am trying to prove that strength is more important then vision.


I agree it's more important than vision. I'm just not convinced it's more important than throwing.

Originally posted by mgbl3


Neither him nor I are comparing who has a better QB so I have no idea what made you butt in so aggresively. He's trying to make a point and I'm simply questioning it. Calm down sparky.

It's like when people come on the boards and say "look i had 20 TDs and 2000 yards in 1 game i have the best QB build!!!1". He's obviously not doing that, but just because he's put up good stats with his build in his situation doesn't prove his point. There are plenty of other builds, in plenty of other similar situations putting up just as good of stats.


Actually yes he was saying he has the better QB he was just being more polite about it. I butted in so aggressively as you say because I know that he's right yet you still continue to argue with absolutely no points whatsoever. You can be as vague as you want but he's supplying hard facts, unlike you who just says "there are many other solutions out there". Like what?

Hey kingofgod has your QB's strength been 87 all season or did you move some equipment mid-season? I remember last season your QB's strength was at about 69.

Originally posted by Mstr_October
Can anyone explain the reason the HB is over looked on this play? Now granted, the HB had been targeted quite a bit on this play during the course of the game, but I am just wondering what goes into 'target progression'. It would be different if the HB wasn't the designed target for this play, but as we all know, he is. Was he ever covered?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=378617&pbp_id=8629057

His vision is not 90, but is over 70 and I would tend to believe that even 48 vision 'should' be able to see this man.

Meh, Loldots I guess.

QB's run a vision check roll to see each of their reads; if they fail the check then the receiver goes completely unnoticed. I have no idea how a QB could miss seeing their 1st read though, that wouldn't make any sense.

I also don't think you guys are adding much comparing two QB's stats. Someone said that "that's the only way we can compare them"; well just because that's the only way you can compare them doesn't mean it's a quality comparison. You can compare the size of the moon and the size of your ass, but what's the point? There are just way too many variables to make one single comparison between two quarterbacks any kind of a reliable method to determine anything. Tactics, receiver quality, pocket protection, pass defense quality, etc. and the list goes on. I don't think you can even begin to compare QB stats unless they are in the same league and in the same conference and even then it's not reliable.