Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Kavadas
This seems like some type of auto-adjust AI would need to be used. Like the defensive leader would have a % chance to auto detect the CAT/BLK of the TE and depending on which one is detected higher the defense would react accordingly.

This % would have to rely on an attribute like VIS for it to fire but it shouldn't be that difficult. I don't like allowing the defense to react to specific players over positions manually via AI settings as the AI is bloated enough IMO.

So just allow the defensive leader a % chance to auto detect the CAT/BLK of the TE and make the adjustment on which attribute is detected to be higher.

Not really. You're overthinking it. If the Patriots ran Randy Moss out and lined him up at TE, would anyone be fooled?

Here we're talking about players that have 90+ SPD and CTH, with 20 STR/BLK. Players that are TEs in name only. It shouldn't take anything special to see that a personnel change is needed.

I realize an audible isn't a personnel change. Thanks for that.

But it is an advantage for the offense. You can say they would have a less than desirable personnel group in, but obviously that downside is outweighed by the benefit. Otherwise no one would ever audible.

So for the people who want things to be realistic, it should be included as well.

Originally posted by hoyaboy1
Originally posted by wombat killer

Unrealistic in what way? Most NFL teams have blocking TEs and catching TEs.

Really? The receiving TE still needs to be able to block, and the blocking TE to catch - otherwise the defense would know the playcall every time.

In GLB you'd want Randy Moss and Orlando Pace as your TEs rather than guys like Gonzalez or Witten.

Jim kleinsasser and visante shaincoe...


Antonio gates and the other te.

tony G and his backup..
Wtf you talking about.

Originally posted by dpride59
Originally posted by hoyaboy1

Originally posted by wombat killer


Unrealistic in what way? Most NFL teams have blocking TEs and catching TEs.

Really? The receiving TE still needs to be able to block, and the blocking TE to catch - otherwise the defense would know the playcall every time.

In GLB you'd want Randy Moss and Orlando Pace as your TEs rather than guys like Gonzalez or Witten.

Jim kleinsasser and visante shaincoe...


Antonio gates and the other te.

tony G and his backup..
Wtf you talking about.tbh visanthe shiancoe is not a great TE either way.

Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla
Originally posted by dpride59

Originally posted by hoyaboy1


Originally posted by wombat killer



Unrealistic in what way? Most NFL teams have blocking TEs and catching TEs.

Really? The receiving TE still needs to be able to block, and the blocking TE to catch - otherwise the defense would know the playcall every time.

In GLB you'd want Randy Moss and Orlando Pace as your TEs rather than guys like Gonzalez or Witten.

Jim kleinsasser and visante shaincoe...


Antonio gates and the other te.

tony G and his backup..
Wtf you talking about.tbh visanthe shiancoe is not a great TE either way.

The last 6 weeks in the nfl he was the #1 recieving te. Just started like a giant turd.

Originally posted by dpride59
Originally posted by hoyaboy1

Originally posted by wombat killer


Unrealistic in what way? Most NFL teams have blocking TEs and catching TEs.

Really? The receiving TE still needs to be able to block, and the blocking TE to catch - otherwise the defense would know the playcall every time.

In GLB you'd want Randy Moss and Orlando Pace as your TEs rather than guys like Gonzalez or Witten.

Jim kleinsasser and visante shaincoe...


Antonio gates and the other te.

tony G and his backup..
Wtf you talking about.

Wat

Most NFL TEs are more-or-less balanced. Most GLB TEs are Randy Moss or Orlando Pace. Hoya's example was apt.

Originally posted by Vanilla Thunder
Here we're talking about players that have 90+ SPD and CTH, with 20 STR/BLK. Players that are TEs in name only. It shouldn't take anything special to see that a personnel change is needed.

I know. The point of my suggestion is that players would automatically adjust to the situation without the need to fiddle with the AI or create specific player matchup outputs on a game to game basis.

In short, it would be automated and be a fuck ton easier for people who don't have or don't want to devote yet even more time to AI tweaking.

Automation, yo.

I was always skeptical of allowing the separate slots like that.

I'd rather let there be those slots, but instead of absolute substitutions, substitute normally. The slots would be used on offense meaning "run this play less/normal/more if ___ is in the game," which is the most a real life offense could do without tipping off the defense.

If it's run the play less when TE2 is in the game, it halves the chance of it being chosen. If it's run the play more when TE2 is in the game, it doubles the chance.

Therefore, you can usually get the personnel you want for a play, but are forced to switch off, just as real life coaches would be.

Originally posted by Kavadas
Originally posted by Vanilla Thunder

Here we're talking about players that have 90+ SPD and CTH, with 20 STR/BLK. Players that are TEs in name only. It shouldn't take anything special to see that a personnel change is needed.

I know. The point of my suggestion is that players would automatically adjust to the situation without the need to fiddle with the AI or create specific player matchup outputs on a game to game basis.

In short, it would be automated and be a fuck ton easier for people who don't have or don't want to devote yet even more time to AI tweaking.

Automation, yo.


Right, that's fine, but Automation can lead to some really easy exploits. At least leaving it in the players hands gives them ability and control (as well as responsibility). I won't argue with the idea that it can be a bit much, though. You're right on that one.

I don't know and I wish I hadn't attempted to.

Originally posted by dpride59
Originally posted by hoyaboy1

Originally posted by wombat killer


Unrealistic in what way? Most NFL teams have blocking TEs and catching TEs.

Really? The receiving TE still needs to be able to block, and the blocking TE to catch - otherwise the defense would know the playcall every time.

In GLB you'd want Randy Moss and Orlando Pace as your TEs rather than guys like Gonzalez or Witten.

Jim kleinsasser and visante shaincoe...


Antonio gates and the other te.

tony G and his backup..
Wtf you talking about.

You are missing the point. Yes, it makes sense for an NFL team to have TE that is, say, 70% receiving and 30% blocking skill, and another that is the reverse. In GLB it only makes sense to have one that is 100% receiving and one that is 100% blocking.

One possible, but heavy handed, solution is to lock the "game roster" 24 hours before each game, and give a link to each team's "game roster" on the matchup page. Then the defensive AI setup for a game could actually port in player names and you wouldn't have to worry about who is TE1/TE2/etc, you instead gameplan for actual players. This has the added advantage of letting you have names to assign man to man coverage matchups as well and so forth and so on.
There's a lot of implementation details and various implications that would need hashing out (scrimmages, how this impacts player trades mid-season, etc) but having actual player name info in the defensive AI would be pretty neat.

Of course porting your AI from week to week gets even more complicated as well, but there has to be some clean way to do it.

Originally posted by hoyaboy1
Originally posted by wombat killer

Unrealistic in what way? Most NFL teams have blocking TEs and catching TEs.

Really? The receiving TE still needs to be able to block, and the blocking TE to catch - otherwise the defense would know the playcall every time.

In GLB you'd want Randy Moss and Orlando Pace as your TEs rather than guys like Gonzalez or Witten.

Receiving TEs in GLB don't have 12 blocking. Blocking TEs in GLB don't have 12 catching. I think you're confused.

You're right. They have 16 blocking or catching. Our bad.

Have Audibles based on QB Vision, Confidence and a VA. Each 5 ranks in the VA open an audible "slot" where you can place a play. The Success at calling audibles is based on the Vision and Confidence.

Originally posted by Adderfist
You're right. They have 16 blocking or catching. Our bad.

I'm really sorry that the people on your teams don't know how to build.