Warrior General Games

Originally posted by krwynn
Originally posted by packers0491

alright! we snuck one in there

Thanks to you and your DC, Matthews has had a breakout year. I have another LB with the exact same build in USA AAA with a score of 82. Just goes to show you how a players build can be diluted with bad tactics and playing out of position.

Yeah, I wouldn't actually say "snuck" so much as "brazenly trashed every other player at the position". Comparing East and West is tricky, but I'd still venture that Matthews is having a better season at LB than anybody in USA Pro. His numbers are outstanding.

Originally posted by Ronin
Wow, Ballhawk is the starting FS? Interesting, considering he hasn't even started for the Coyotes for about half of the season. That's quite an accomplishment.

Sandesh is a no-brainer. 5 defensive TDs spells "playmaker."

Yeah, I didn't actually look at Gerald Alexander's stat line. So I may very well change that up when I make my final pass. I might be in the sticky position of having to name K-Zoo players to both spots at FS.

Originally posted by Capaneus


Originally posted by Galkuris

As you said, O-line stats make it tough to figure. However at least one Marauders lineman should be on this list for these reasons:

#2 in the league in sacks+hurries allowed

I haven't tallied it, but a general overview of the numbers shows that we are easily #1 in (sacks+hurries)/pass attempts.

Maybe in the formula there should be something that pulls numbers from the teams overall pass protection as well as pancakes? All 5 of the Marauders O-line deserve consideration for this award.

Currently, the formula for O-line score is Pancakes/5 - Sacks allowed. Since there's no easy way to track which player gave up which sack, I just applied that to a whole O-line at once. Currently Minny has allowed 14 Sacks and their starting O-line has toted up 144 pancakes. That gives you a score of 14.8. compared to GSA's 35 and BSB's 21.4 That's so far from being an adequate measure of O-line performance I wouldn't take it too seriously. If you can think of any way to improve it, especially to measure the performance of individual players, I'd love to hear it.


Hm, maybe a start would be adding hurries+sacks allowed? Maybe making it -sack-(.5)hurries? That still won't get it right, but I'll think about it.

Another thing to notice is GSA got over half of their pancakes against Dayton and DDT. Obviously we have not played Datyon yet so our number of pancakes should rise significantly.

Originally posted by Galkuris

Hm, maybe a start would be adding hurries+sacks allowed? Maybe making it -sack-(.5)hurries? That still won't get it right, but I'll think about it.

Another thing to notice is GSA got over half of their pancakes against Dayton and DDT. Obviously we have not played Datyon yet so our number of pancakes should rise significantly.

My first impulse would be three Hurries equal one sack, so Pancakes/5 - (Sacks+[Hurries/3]). As you pointed out though, it would be nice to include Sacks and Hurries per passing down somehow, too. I will definitely check back after game 16, however.

Originally posted by Ronin

Sandesh is a no-brainer. 5 defensive TDs spells "playmaker."

Best CB in the game.

Originally posted by Capaneus

CB4: Tyson Cleaves of the Doomsday Sin- CBs in the East have a nose for the endzone once they get the ball, and Cleaves’ five DefTDs (on only 5 Ints) means he can do that with the best of ‘em. (127)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=93781&playoffs=0


Just thought I'd point out that Cleaves has 8 interceptions, not 5. I'm not sure if that changes anything.

Originally posted by Capaneus

Currently, the formula for O-line score is Pancakes/5 - Sacks allowed. Since there's no easy way to track which player gave up which sack, I just applied that to a whole O-line at once. Currently Minny has allowed 14 Sacks and their starting O-line has toted up 144 pancakes. That gives you a score of 14.8. compared to GSA's 35 and BSB's 21.4 That's so far from being an adequate measure of O-line performance I wouldn't take it too seriously. If you can think of any way to improve it, especially to measure the performance of individual players, I'd love to hear it.


I think yards per carry should be part of the equation.

Originally posted by coach
Originally posted by Capaneus


Currently, the formula for O-line score is Pancakes/5 - Sacks allowed. Since there's no easy way to track which player gave up which sack, I just applied that to a whole O-line at once. Currently Minny has allowed 14 Sacks and their starting O-line has toted up 144 pancakes. That gives you a score of 14.8. compared to GSA's 35 and BSB's 21.4 That's so far from being an adequate measure of O-line performance I wouldn't take it too seriously. If you can think of any way to improve it, especially to measure the performance of individual players, I'd love to hear it.


I think yards per carry should be part of the equation.

That is somewhat considered in pancakes (My whole point was the system used favors the rushing game by a lot already). Plus, talented backs would make their O-line look much better (even more than they already do).

I actually think YPC is better than pancakes. Or, if you could pull out the rushing first downs, that would be awesome (check HB/FB/QB rushing in their stat pages--but that's a lot of work).

Likewise, sacks allowed per pass attempt is really more accurate. GSA would likely lose our place, but it makes more sense.

Originally posted by drazz00
I actually think YPC is better than pancakes. Or, if you could pull out the rushing first downs, that would be awesome (check HB/FB/QB rushing in their stat pages--but that's a lot of work).

Likewise, sacks allowed per pass attempt is really more accurate. GSA would likely lose our place, but it makes more sense.

YPC is so HB dependent though. Put Csonka on a different team and their YPC likely rise quite a bit. Pancakes are actually something that an offensive lineman "does".

(Again, this is by far the hardest position to see who is the best)

Originally posted by Akuda

Just thought I'd point out that Cleaves has 8 interceptions, not 5. I'm not sure if that changes anything.

Yeah, I had that right when I was tallying the scores, but got it wrong when writing the flavor text. I've corrected that error.

As for how to measure O-linemen, I have only passing acquaintance with baseball statistics, but one thing they've been trying to do there is focus in on stats that reflect things that are solely under the player's control, so something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_independent_pitching_statistics I think that's on the right track. So the advantage of Pancakes and sacks allowed is that they are pretty much based on the success or failure of an individual lineman. I'm not opposed to factoring in YPC, but it should be weighted less heavily than those two. Pancakes are problematic though, as most of them seem to come on special teams play. So there's room for improvement there too.

Originally posted by Capaneus
So the advantage of Pancakes and sacks allowed is that they are pretty much based on the success or failure of an individual lineman.

Except that linemen aren't the only players who can accumulate pancakes. For Bourbon Street, our fourth leading pancake guy is a FB.

Pancakes don't happen that often against an evenly matched opponent, and when they do it seems to be on special teams (like you said).

Sure the ability of the RBs affects ypc, but without a good line no RB is going anywhere. There really isn't anything that's completely under a lineman's control. Even sacks have outside influences - play calling (% pass, pass distance, etc) and the pocket awareness/elusiveness of the QB.

Just wanted to say thanks to the OP for his time and effort.

I can't believe this thread stayed so civil.

Sorry, I just read the OP and while I am flattered that my SS is mentioned, my DE leads the league in sacks and is not even mentioned.

Originally posted by tpaterniti
Sorry, I just read the OP and while I am flattered that my SS is mentioned, my DE leads the league in sacks and is not even mentioned. o_O

First post is Western Conference. Your DE is in the East...

Originally posted by Capaneus
RDE:
Starter: William Davis of the Philadelphia Pushovers- After his game against the Nasty, it’s clear that Davis is the leading RDE in the East. With over 100 Sacks plus Hurries, he’s a one-man pass rush package. (319)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=32070&playoffs=0