Warrior General Games

I should add this:
If Cassel plays really well, maybe not as great as Brady but well enough for them to win, do the Patriots keep him and let Brady go for salary cap purposes? Similar to the 49ers situation with Steve Young and Joe Montana.

Only if they're idiots.


7 year consistently good player > probable one hit wonder

I'd have to see more of Cassel before we can talk about him being the next Steve Young.

The 30 plays he's had since high school just aren't enough.

Originally posted by Hampe
Originally posted by NewEnglandCoach

Patriots are my second favorite team. To call him overrated is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You forget, he played excellent BEFORE he got all of those weapons. Remember? Drew Bledsoe? Guy got hurt? Brady stepped in? I rest my case.
PFFFF....your D won the first one.


The Patriots D gave up over 400 total yards that game. The Rams rushed for 90 yards on a 4+ YPC average. Warner's 300+ passing yards was the second most in Super Bowl history. You could say that the 3 turnovers was the difference, but note that Brady didn't turn the ball over. And who converted those turnovers into points? I would also point out that overall that season, the Pats D was like 27th in a 31 team league in yards allowed.

The system QB argument is weak as well. It works in college because alot of these guys put up massive numbers against weaker teams and because they just throw the ball alot. Timmy Chang is a good example. The NFL is a different animal. Are you telling me that somehow no one in the NFL has figured out how to stop this system yet? I'm sorry, poor or even average players will be exposed as that, regardless of system at the NFL level. Literally, you could say the same thing for just about every top QB in the league. Even Dan Marino only played for one team. Couldn't it have been the Dolphins "system" that made him successful? And what is the system that the Pats run anyway? And if it's that good, it can make a decent QB look great, why don't more teams run it?

Originally posted by ironman4579
Originally posted by Hampe

PFFFF....your D won the first one.

The Patriots D gave up over 400 total yards that game. The Rams rushed for 90 yards on a 4+ YPC average. Warner's 300+ passing yards was the second most in Super Bowl history. Who gives a shit about how many yards they gave up? They held one of the highest scoring offenses in history to 17 points, while putting up 7 of their own (should have been 14, if Willie McGinest hadn't been such a dumbfuck)

Also....don't you think they might have given up less yards if the Brady-led offense had more than 15 first downs and stayed on the field longer?

Originally posted by ironman4579
You could say that the 3 turnovers was the difference, but note that Brady didn't turn the ball over. And who converted those turnovers into points? Um.....Well...Ty Law? But you're right....Brady was masterful driving his team the entire 40 yards for that TD.

Originally posted by ironman4579
I would also point out that overall that season, the Pats D was like 27th in a 31 team league in yards allowed.Irrelevant. They would not have one the SB without the way their D played. It wouldn't even have been close.

Originally posted by ironman4579
The system QB argument is weak as well. It works in college because alot of these guys put up massive numbers against weaker teams and because they just throw the ball alot. Timmy Chang is a good example. The NFL is a different animal. Are you telling me that somehow no one in the NFL has figured out how to stop this system yet? No, that's not what I'm saying at all. In fact, the Giants seemed to stop it rather well last season. And seeing as how they haven't won the SB in 3 years....it seems they aren't the only ones.

Originally posted by ironman4579
I'm sorry, poor or even average players will be exposed as that, regardless of system at the NFL level. This is true....I also never said that Brady was poor or even average. He is a good QB. I just don't think he is the greatest football player ever like he's hyped up in the media. Saying someone is overrated doesn't mean they suck.....it means people think they are better than they actually are. Brady is good....but he's not the best.

Originally posted by ironman4579
Literally, you could say the same thing for just about every top QB in the league. Even Dan Marino only played for one team. Couldn't it have been the Dolphins "system" that made him successful?Well, yea, one could say that.....if they'd never seen a game that Marino played in.

Originally posted by ironman4579
And what is the system that the Pats run anyway? And if it's that good, it can make a decent QB look great, why don't more teams run it?Because not all teams have QBs who are good at dink and dunk timing patterns.

if you get excited when a player get hurt chances are very good that you're a jealous douchebag.


Also if you think Brady is a system qb you're a moron. I'll take the opinion of former coaches and players who say he's a first ballot HoF player over some retard who just watches their home team on sundays.

What system is it exactly? Is it the system that Bledsoe thrived under in 2000? oh...wait

or maybe its the system that was awesome when in place in cleveland? oh...

Just admit you guys are jealous of the success. I mean the guy is an incredible football player, a mega millionaire, and fucks a brazillian model. There's a lot to be jealous of.

Originally posted by ironman4579
Originally posted by Hampe

Who gives a shit about how many yards they gave up? They held one of the highest scoring offenses in history to 17 points, while putting up 7 of their own (should have been 14, if Willie McGinest hadn't been such a dumbfuck)

Also....don't you think they might have given up less yards if the Brady-led offense had more than 15 first downs and stayed on the field longer?

Probably, but the fact remains that they gave up over 400 yards of offense and won the gameAgain....how many yards a defense gives up doesn't necessarily indicate how they played. Their D set them up to win...all they had to do was score 10-13 points. If a defense puts their team in a position like that, then they played fantastic.

Originally posted by ironman4579

Originally posted by Hampe

Um.....Well...Ty Law? But you're right....Brady was masterful driving his team the entire 40 yards for that TD.
Did he make the drive? Did he drive them down at the end of the game? I don't disagree that the Pats won that Superbowl because of the defense. I'm just saying that it's not like Brady just stood there. I never said he didn't have anything to do with them winning. Playing your part in a victory does not mean you are responsible for it (as many people claim that Brady was).

Originally posted by ironman4579
Originally posted by Hampe

Irrelevant. They would not have one the SB without the way their D played. It wouldn't even have been close.
Originally posted by ironman4579

Not really. Would they have even made the playoffs without Brady? The point is, the D was not a top D in 2001. You seem fixated on the idea that yards allowed is the only factor when it comes to defense.

They were 6th that season in points allowed and 2nd in the postseason.... they gave up only .7 points more a game than the Ravens (while playing 3 games to Baltimore's 2), who were one of the best defenses in history during that period.

Originally posted by ironman4579

And put up a ridiculous offensive season last year. I'm sorry, Superbowl wins aren't the only measure of a teams offensive success. Uh...I think it was rather obvious that their offense last year wasn't the same as the preceeding years. And no, SBs aren't the only way to measure success....but it does mean that teams were able to stop them.

Originally posted by ironman4579

I would personally say Brady is one of the top 2 QB's in the league.I'd agree...I definitely think he's one of the top 2 or 3.....but he isn't the greatest of all time.

Originally posted by ironman4579
Dink and Dunk? Brady has lead the league in passing yards twice and has thrown for over 3,500 yards every year from 2002 on. Total yards has nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by ironman4579
He's been 8th, 6th and first in yards oer attempt in '04, '05 and '07. And?....he was 15th, 23rd, 11th, and 15th in '01, '02, '03, and '06. Nice selective stats your pulling up there...

Originally posted by ironman4579
He's been 5th, 6th and 4th in yards per completion in '04, '05 and '07. Again...nice selective statistics. He was also 23rd, 32nd (tied with the dink and dunk king, Shane Matthews), 16th, and 22nd in '01, '02, '03, and '06.

Originally posted by ironman4579
He's also consistently been among the league leaders in passes completed over 20 yards. Well...he's consistently gotten better at 20+, but this stat doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Originally posted by ironman4579
The dink and dunk argument is ridiculous and played out.
Not really.....back when they were winning super bowls (with the exception of '04) they relied heavily on short timing patterns.


Either way, I don't even know why I'm arguing this with you....I never said that Brady was purely a product of the system. He's obviously a good quarterback.

Why do people think it's bad to be a dink and dunk QB? Not that Brady is, but if the opposing defense is playing a cover 3 or cover 2 man then why would you throw it deep? A smart QB would throw it deep when their receiver is in single coverage or has beat the defense, unless it's Randy Moss then you throw it to him anyway.

Originally posted by cajik
Why do people think it's bad to be a dink and dunk QB?I never said it was bad. Like I said before....it's not like any QB in the league can be successful doing it.

Anyone cheering/gloating about the Brady injury is an immature turd who is just DRIPPING with jealousy over how successful the Pats have been this decade. You know your team could never beat the Pats WITH Brady, so your all happy about the injury.

You pathetic scumbags make me want to puke. I hope you douchebags tear YOUR ACL, so you can see how funny it is.

And please let us know about it, so we can cheer it and give you a taste of your own bitter medicine.


Here's hoping for a speedy recovery and that Brady comes back strong next year...

Originally posted by MilkyD79
Anyone cheering/gloating about the Brady injury is an immature turd who is just DRIPPING with jealousy over how successful the Pats have been this decade. You know your team could never beat the Pats WITH Brady, so your all happy about the injury.

You pathetic scumbags make me want to puke. I hope you douchebags tear YOUR ACL, so you can see how funny it is.

And please let us know about it, so we can cheer it and give you a taste of your own bitter medicine.


Here's hoping for a speedy recovery and that Brady comes back strong next year...


Somebody cried for a couple hours during the chiefs game realizing their playoffs are fucked this year

Serioulsy however, no one should cheer someone getting injured

Originally posted by brett112289

Serioulsy however, no one should cheer someone getting injuredYea...I'd just like to clarify again:

I wasn't happy or cheering that Brady was hurt and in pain.....I was cheering because the pats (most likely) fucked their SB hopes by being pricks last year.

except it had nothing to do with last year

you really don't know anything do you

It does actually.....they had a lot of chances to get Cassel some experience, but they ran up the score instead. Now they're stuck with a guy who has 39 career attempts.

and they still won yesterday