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Originally posted by Warlock
Originally posted by miked33

Originally posted by Warlock


Originally posted by iMan



unrealistic?
just look at the 2008 draft and prospect nowadays at the DE. they weigh less that they normally do and are faster. how is it unrealistic.



Like who? Name a DE that is significantly lighter than the average DE weight and show me one that can't bench press as much as a typical DB... thought so. Please, use common sense. I guess the Bears are going to try Hester at DE in the future right... that's basically the equivalent of this build.

This build is nothing more than exploiting game mechanics... there's a reason this build isn't wide spread... your average person doesn't consider doing such a thing, because it makes zero sense in the real world. Which is what this game is supposed to be based on.



I made this thread to give people advice about building their players, not for you to have yet another place to complain about how my player beat you guys singlehandedly or whatever. Go start another thread in the "bugs" forum or somewhere else if you want to complain about my player please.

I did that already, but it got bogged down by all the GLB fanboys and eventually locked. At least now I know why your player single-handedly beat our team... it's a build that exploits game mechanics, as well as logic.

iMan,

What does reality have to do with your speed build? Einstein, you said "unrealistic?
just look at the 2008 draft and prospect nowadays at the DE. they weigh less that they normally do and are faster. how is it unrealistic."... I asked for examples and you bring up your speed rush DE in GLB... Check out the big brain on Brad.








I know you did, and that probably happened for a reason. I was basically telling you to take your crying elsewhere, it's not welcome here. This is a discussion to help people, not complain about my build.

I'm guessing there was some other huge "exploit" in play when the Golfers beat your team 30-9 in the regular season without a single sack from my guy, but I can't quite figure out what it is. Or maybe there was none there but just in the 22-6 playoff win? Either way, please leave.

Originally posted by miked33
I know you did, and that probably happened for a reason. I was basically telling you to take your crying elsewhere, it's not welcome here. This is a discussion to help people, not complain about my build.

I'm guessing there was some other huge "exploit" in play when the Golfers beat your team 30-9 in the regular season without a single sack from my guy, but I can't quite figure out what it is. Or maybe there was none there but just in the 22-6 playoff win? Either way, please leave.

16 games happened between our first game and the play-offs, not to mention a new defensive coordinator as well. I have an issue when unrealistic things happen, us losing was realistic, your DB in DE clothing getting 5 sacks and a dozen hurries (not to mention totally crushing our OL's confidence) due to an exploitive build wasn't realistic or even remotely logical... unfortunately I didn't know you used an exploitive build back then.

As for trying to help people... I'm doing just that, by warning them not to follow your advice and have their player nerfed (for good reason). This will get fixed once the problem starts garnering attention (aka more than a couple people are using it). So enjoy your success while it lasts.

Either way, why so defensive? Discussions generally have differing points of view, otherwise what would be the point of discussing the topic. Now if you would like everyone to merely thank you for showing them the zen of cheating or agree with you, maybe you're not quite ready for posting on a forum with the rest of the big boys and trolls.

I have a high level OT and I block speed rushers and bull rushers. Learn to deal with it.

Originally posted by Warlock
Originally posted by miked33

I know you did, and that probably happened for a reason. I was basically telling you to take your crying elsewhere, it's not welcome here. This is a discussion to help people, not complain about my build.

I'm guessing there was some other huge "exploit" in play when the Golfers beat your team 30-9 in the regular season without a single sack from my guy, but I can't quite figure out what it is. Or maybe there was none there but just in the 22-6 playoff win? Either way, please leave.

16 games happened between our first game and the play-offs, not to mention a new defensive coordinator as well. I have an issue when unrealistic things happen, us losing was realistic, your DB in DE clothing getting 5 sacks and a dozen hurries (not to mention totally crushing our OL's confidence) due to an exploitive build wasn't realistic or even remotely logical... unfortunately I didn't know you used an exploitive build back then.

As for trying to help people... I'm doing just that, by warning them not to follow your advice and have their player nerfed (for good reason). This will get fixed once the problem starts garnering attention (aka more than a couple people are using it). So enjoy your success while it lasts.

Either way, why so defensive? Discussions generally have differing points of view, otherwise what would be the point of discussing the topic. Now if you would like everyone to merely thank you for showing them the zen of cheating or agree with you, maybe you're not quite ready for posting on a forum with the rest of the big boys and trolls.

Cheating? This is a game. I paid money to build my player the way I thought was most effective. There was no cheating involved. Having more than one way to build a player for each position is good for the game. Check out Deebo's guide. His DE is strength based, and had almost 20 more sacks than mine in a tougher league. Is his build an exploit too? Some people know how to build their players effectively. You do not. Feel free to read my guide and discuss it here, otherwise take your whining elsewhere.

Defensive? You come into my thread and insult myself, my player, and my team. This thread isn't for whining about how my player beat your team's poorly built OTs over and over again, it's about helping people make an effective player to have fun with the game. If you want to have a discussion about how "realistic" this game is, there are forums for that. This is not the place for that discussion. If you'd like to critique my guide by all means do it here. Otherwise, leave.

Oh, and by the way it was 6 sacks.

exploitive?
the stupid ass OTs that build their guy with not enough agi and spd while jacking up str and blocking is exploitive

Originally posted by miked33
Originally posted by Warlock

Originally posted by miked33


I know you did, and that probably happened for a reason. I was basically telling you to take your crying elsewhere, it's not welcome here. This is a discussion to help people, not complain about my build.

I'm guessing there was some other huge "exploit" in play when the Golfers beat your team 30-9 in the regular season without a single sack from my guy, but I can't quite figure out what it is. Or maybe there was none there but just in the 22-6 playoff win? Either way, please leave.

16 games happened between our first game and the play-offs, not to mention a new defensive coordinator as well. I have an issue when unrealistic things happen, us losing was realistic, your DB in DE clothing getting 5 sacks and a dozen hurries (not to mention totally crushing our OL's confidence) due to an exploitive build wasn't realistic or even remotely logical... unfortunately I didn't know you used an exploitive build back then.

As for trying to help people... I'm doing just that, by warning them not to follow your advice and have their player nerfed (for good reason). This will get fixed once the problem starts garnering attention (aka more than a couple people are using it). So enjoy your success while it lasts.

Either way, why so defensive? Discussions generally have differing points of view, otherwise what would be the point of discussing the topic. Now if you would like everyone to merely thank you for showing them the zen of cheating or agree with you, maybe you're not quite ready for posting on a forum with the rest of the big boys and trolls.

Cheating? This is a game. I paid money to build my player the way I thought was most effective. There was no cheating involved. Having more than one way to build a player for each position is good for the game. Check out Deebo's guide. His DE is strength based, and had almost 20 more sacks than mine in a tougher league. Is his build an exploit too? Some people know how to build their players effectively. You do not. Feel free to read my guide and discuss it here, otherwise take your whining elsewhere.

Defensive? You come into my thread and insult myself, my player, and my team. This thread isn't for whining about how my player beat your team's poorly built OTs over and over again, it's about helping people make an effective player to have fun with the game. If you want to have a discussion about how "realistic" this game is, there are forums for that. This is not the place for that discussion. If you'd like to critique my guide by all means do it here. Otherwise, leave.

Oh, and by the way it was 6 sacks.

I didn't say you cheated, learn to read.

I said "showing people the zen of cheating", which isn't saying you broke any rules. Games are about fair play, abusing rules to gain an advantage isn't fair play to me. The mantra that people who do this, is generally the same attitude you're portraying... "it's within the rules". This is the zen of a cheater, abuse and exploitation of the rules (or out right breaking of the rules) to be victorious. It's not the act itself, it's the philosophy.

The results aren't the most important aspect of what I'm talking about, it's the logic behind them. Most, if not all, of the great pass rushers have not merely been strong or quick or fast, but all of these things. You've figured out a way to cut out a third of these elements, so congrats I guess, but it doesn't change the fact that you're exploiting a poor design.

Just because something is possible, doesn't make it right, intended or even logical. As someone that has played football for many years, what you're doing isn't remotely logical or realistic. Sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities, but I call them like I see them. As for you taking offense to my words, maybe you should step back and consider why you feel that they're offensive. Me personally, I don't take offense unless there's truth behind the words, things that I don't want to admit.

Go spam another thread. If something works, its a legit build. Balanced DEs don't make great pass rushers or do well against the run, it takes too many SPs.

If it isn't right I'm sure bort will go around nerfing it.

Originally posted by Warlock
Originally posted by miked33

Originally posted by Warlock


Originally posted by miked33



I know you did, and that probably happened for a reason. I was basically telling you to take your crying elsewhere, it's not welcome here. This is a discussion to help people, not complain about my build.

I'm guessing there was some other huge "exploit" in play when the Golfers beat your team 30-9 in the regular season without a single sack from my guy, but I can't quite figure out what it is. Or maybe there was none there but just in the 22-6 playoff win? Either way, please leave.

16 games happened between our first game and the play-offs, not to mention a new defensive coordinator as well. I have an issue when unrealistic things happen, us losing was realistic, your DB in DE clothing getting 5 sacks and a dozen hurries (not to mention totally crushing our OL's confidence) due to an exploitive build wasn't realistic or even remotely logical... unfortunately I didn't know you used an exploitive build back then.

As for trying to help people... I'm doing just that, by warning them not to follow your advice and have their player nerfed (for good reason). This will get fixed once the problem starts garnering attention (aka more than a couple people are using it). So enjoy your success while it lasts.

Either way, why so defensive? Discussions generally have differing points of view, otherwise what would be the point of discussing the topic. Now if you would like everyone to merely thank you for showing them the zen of cheating or agree with you, maybe you're not quite ready for posting on a forum with the rest of the big boys and trolls.

Cheating? This is a game. I paid money to build my player the way I thought was most effective. There was no cheating involved. Having more than one way to build a player for each position is good for the game. Check out Deebo's guide. His DE is strength based, and had almost 20 more sacks than mine in a tougher league. Is his build an exploit too? Some people know how to build their players effectively. You do not. Feel free to read my guide and discuss it here, otherwise take your whining elsewhere.

Defensive? You come into my thread and insult myself, my player, and my team. This thread isn't for whining about how my player beat your team's poorly built OTs over and over again, it's about helping people make an effective player to have fun with the game. If you want to have a discussion about how "realistic" this game is, there are forums for that. This is not the place for that discussion. If you'd like to critique my guide by all means do it here. Otherwise, leave.

Oh, and by the way it was 6 sacks.

I didn't say you cheated, learn to read.

I said "showing people the zen of cheating", which isn't saying you broke any rules. Games are about fair play, abusing rules to gain an advantage isn't fair play to me. The mantra that people who do this, is generally the same attitude you're portraying... "it's within the rules". This is the zen of a cheater, abuse and exploitation of the rules (or out right breaking of the rules) to be victorious. It's not the act itself, it's the philosophy.

The results aren't the most important aspect of what I'm talking about, it's the logic behind them. Most, if not all, of the great pass rushers have not merely been strong or quick or fast, but all of these things. You've figured out a way to cut out a third of these elements, so congrats I guess, but it doesn't change the fact that you're exploiting a poor design.

Just because something is possible, doesn't make it right, intended or even logical. As someone that has played football for many years, what you're doing isn't remotely logical or realistic. Sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities, but I call them like I see them. As for you taking offense to my words, maybe you should step back and consider why you feel that they're offensive. Me personally, I don't take offense unless there's truth behind the words, things that I don't want to admit.

Before this thread, you started at least 2 others about this issue. No one cared then, nothing has changed.

I take offense to your words because you're derailing my thread, and insulting myself, my player, and my team. Like I said before, there are proper places for these discussions. You tried in those places, and no one agreed with you. You have even less of a chance here.

Anyway, feel free to read my guide or PM me for any advice on your DE or OT. Sure looks like they could use it judging by their results. Take your other trash elsewhere please.

Originally posted by Warlock
Originally posted by miked33

I know you did, and that probably happened for a reason. I was basically telling you to take your crying elsewhere, it's not welcome here. This is a discussion to help people, not complain about my build.

I'm guessing there was some other huge "exploit" in play when the Golfers beat your team 30-9 in the regular season without a single sack from my guy, but I can't quite figure out what it is. Or maybe there was none there but just in the 22-6 playoff win? Either way, please leave.

16 games happened between our first game and the play-offs, not to mention a new defensive coordinator as well. I have an issue when unrealistic things happen, us losing was realistic, your DB in DE clothing getting 5 sacks and a dozen hurries (not to mention totally crushing our OL's confidence) due to an exploitive build wasn't realistic or even remotely logical... unfortunately I didn't know you used an exploitive build back then.

As for trying to help people... I'm doing just that, by warning them not to follow your advice and have their player nerfed (for good reason). This will get fixed once the problem starts garnering attention (aka more than a couple people are using it). So enjoy your success while it lasts.

Either way, why so defensive? Discussions generally have differing points of view, otherwise what would be the point of discussing the topic. Now if you would like everyone to merely thank you for showing them the zen of cheating or agree with you, maybe you're not quite ready for posting on a forum with the rest of the big boys and trolls.

By the way, did you really just say you came to this thread to save people from using my build because it's too good and beat your team? What a hero you are!

Originally posted by miked33

Before this thread, you started at least 2 others about this issue. No one cared then, nothing has changed.

I take offense to your words because you're derailing my thread, and insulting myself, my player, and my team. Like I said before, there are proper places for these discussions. You tried in those places, and no one agreed with you. You have even less of a chance here.

Anyway, feel free to read my guide or PM me for any advice on your DE or OT. Sure looks like they could use it judging by their results. Take your other trash elsewhere please.

No, you're mistaken, I started a single thread. The other thread I brought it up in was in a league thread about the play-offs. Besides, way to assume that no one cared, I got a few PMs in support of what I was saying. Now if you meant that "no one from GLB cared", you may be correct, but I'm not conceded enough to speak for others. Also, I didn't have all the facts when I started that thread and plan to bring it up again with more details this time (such as your exploitive build)... then we'll see if the powers that be, feel if "it's working as intended" or not.

As for my DE and OT, I don't need your advice. My OT was a back-up last season and played on the opposite side as your player (if that's what you meant). He was moved up to starter, at the beginning of this season and has been doing a fine job thus far, as RT (second on the team in pancakes, behind my FB). My DE on the other hand isn't a speed rusher, he's balanced and has a role. Even if they were doing poorly, I wouldn't want advice from someone that has no honor. There's more to life than winning after all.

Originally posted by Warlock
Originally posted by miked33


Before this thread, you started at least 2 others about this issue. No one cared then, nothing has changed.

I take offense to your words because you're derailing my thread, and insulting myself, my player, and my team. Like I said before, there are proper places for these discussions. You tried in those places, and no one agreed with you. You have even less of a chance here.

Anyway, feel free to read my guide or PM me for any advice on your DE or OT. Sure looks like they could use it judging by their results. Take your other trash elsewhere please.

No, you're mistaken, I started a single thread. The other thread I brought it up in was in a league thread about the play-offs. Besides, way to assume that no one cared, I got a few PMs in support of what I was saying. Now if you meant that "no one from GLB cared", you may be correct, but I'm not conceded enough to speak for others. Also, I didn't have all the facts when I started that thread and plan to bring it up again with more details this time (such as your exploitive build)... then we'll see if the powers that be, feel if "it's working as intended" or not.

As for my DE and OT, I don't need your advice. My OT was a back-up last season and played on the opposite side as your player (if that's what you meant). He was moved up to starter, at the beginning of this season and has been doing a fine job thus far, as RT (second on the team in pancakes, behind my FB). My DE on the other hand isn't a speed rusher, he's balanced and has a role. Even if they were doing poorly, I wouldn't want advice from someone that has no honor. There's more to life than winning after all.

You started a thread in the "bugs" forum for something that was not a bug. Next time, try the "suggestions" forum. Or maybe "newbie help" forums to help your understanding of how this game works.

I know your OT was on the other side. If he had been on the left my guy's sack total in that game would have been doubled, easily. You're proving how little you know about the game when you cite pancake numbers. I'm looking at the production of the guys that you're supposed to be blocking. I would be quite embarrassed if I were you.

As for your DE, my guide will still be here after you finally decide to retire your DE when he's still unproductive in a couple of seasons.

Until then, thanks for the bumps and have fun in BBB #14 for the rest of your career.

Warlock, stop ruining the thread. Nobody cares. And its' RIDICULOUS for you to call an effective build immoral because you feel it doesn't represent reality.

Dots. Moving dots.

Originally posted by miked33
You started a thread in the "bugs" forum for something that was not a bug. Next time, try the "suggestions" forum. Or maybe "newbie help" forums to help your understanding of how this game works.

I know your OT was on the other side. If he had been on the left my guy's sack total in that game would have been doubled, easily. You're proving how little you know about the game when you cite pancake numbers. I'm looking at the production of the guys that you're supposed to be blocking. I would be quite embarrassed if I were you.

As for your DE, my guide will still be here after you finally decide to retire your DE when he's still unproductive in a couple of seasons.

Until then, thanks for the bumps and have fun in BBB #14 for the rest of your career.


I started a thread in the bugs forum, asking a question, you know if what happened was indeed intended. I still haven't gotten an official answer one way or the other. That doesn't =/= "not a bug". Eventually I started explaining to people how things work in real football and making suggestions on how to solve this kind of BS in the sim.

My DE will be fine in a couple seasons when they eventually get around to nerfing your build and making the balanced build more effective as a pass-rusher. You can feel free to PM me then for some advice, like I said, enjoy your success while you can.

GIEFF,

What's a simulation? "A program that imitates a physical process or object by causing a computer to respond mathematically to data and changing conditions as though it were the process or object itself". So yes, an effective build that doesn't imitate football is immoral IMHO. Like I've shown, it doesn't happen in the real world (I'd say due to the lack of success it's had, when people have even attempted it). So considering that this game is still in the beta phase and under development, I take this situation as unintended. His success is an exploit of game mechanics currently, exploiting rules are immoral and dishonorable (even if it's highly effective). This is because there's no effective counter to it.

Sure we can build our OTs to counter this build, but unlike Mr. super quick DE, the OT would get mauled by a strength and/or balanced DE. His high agility/speed wouldn't help him block (like it helps the DE avoid pancakes). Nor are there tactics currently that allow one to counter such a mismatch. That's a loop-hole in the sim that needs to be fixed.

Originally posted by Warlock
Originally posted by miked33

You started a thread in the "bugs" forum for something that was not a bug. Next time, try the "suggestions" forum. Or maybe "newbie help" forums to help your understanding of how this game works.

I know your OT was on the other side. If he had been on the left my guy's sack total in that game would have been doubled, easily. You're proving how little you know about the game when you cite pancake numbers. I'm looking at the production of the guys that you're supposed to be blocking. I would be quite embarrassed if I were you.

As for your DE, my guide will still be here after you finally decide to retire your DE when he's still unproductive in a couple of seasons.

Until then, thanks for the bumps and have fun in BBB #14 for the rest of your career.


I started a thread in the bugs forum, asking a question, you know if what happened was indeed intended. I still haven't gotten an official answer one way or the other. That doesn't =/= "not a bug". Eventually I started explaining to people how things work in real football and making suggestions on how to solve this kind of BS in the sim.

My DE will be fine in a couple seasons when they eventually get around to nerfing your build and making the balanced build more effective as a pass-rusher. You can feel free to PM me then for some advice, like I said, enjoy your success while you can.

GIEFF,

What's a simulation? "A program that imitates a physical process or object by causing a computer to respond mathematically to data and changing conditions as though it were the process or object itself". So yes, an effective build that doesn't imitate football is immoral IMHO. Like I've shown, it doesn't happen in the real world (I'd say due to the lack of success it's had, when people have even attempted it). So considering that this game is still in the beta phase and under development, I take this situation as unintended. His success is an exploit of game mechanics currently, exploiting rules are immoral and dishonorable (even if it's highly effective). This is because there's no effective counter to it.

Sure we can build our OTs to counter this build, but unlike Mr. super quick DE, the OT would get mauled by a strength and/or balanced DE. His high agility/speed wouldn't help him block (like it helps the DE avoid pancakes). Nor are there tactics currently that allow one to counter such a mismatch. That's a loop-hole in the sim that needs to be fixed.



LOL!! Your an idiot Warlock, its game! There only moving dots! Stop being getting so jealous over Miked33's build.

Originally posted by Warlock
Originally posted by miked33

You started a thread in the "bugs" forum for something that was not a bug. Next time, try the "suggestions" forum. Or maybe "newbie help" forums to help your understanding of how this game works.

I know your OT was on the other side. If he had been on the left my guy's sack total in that game would have been doubled, easily. You're proving how little you know about the game when you cite pancake numbers. I'm looking at the production of the guys that you're supposed to be blocking. I would be quite embarrassed if I were you.

As for your DE, my guide will still be here after you finally decide to retire your DE when he's still unproductive in a couple of seasons.

Until then, thanks for the bumps and have fun in BBB #14 for the rest of your career.


I started a thread in the bugs forum, asking a question, you know if what happened was indeed intended. I still haven't gotten an official answer one way or the other. That doesn't =/= "not a bug". Eventually I started explaining to people how things work in real football and making suggestions on how to solve this kind of BS in the sim.

My DE will be fine in a couple seasons when they eventually get around to nerfing your build and making the balanced build more effective as a pass-rusher. You can feel free to PM me then for some advice, like I said, enjoy your success while you can.

GIEFF,

What's a simulation? "A program that imitates a physical process or object by causing a computer to respond mathematically to data and changing conditions as though it were the process or object itself". So yes, an effective build that doesn't imitate football is immoral IMHO. Like I've shown, it doesn't happen in the real world (I'd say due to the lack of success it's had, when people have even attempted it). So considering that this game is still in the beta phase and under development, I take this situation as unintended. His success is an exploit of game mechanics currently, exploiting rules are immoral and dishonorable (even if it's highly effective). This is because there's no effective counter to it.

Sure we can build our OTs to counter this build, but unlike Mr. super quick DE, the OT would get mauled by a strength and/or balanced DE. His high agility/speed wouldn't help him block (like it helps the DE avoid pancakes). Nor are there tactics currently that allow one to counter such a mismatch. That's a loop-hole in the sim that needs to be fixed.



Wow... do you even watch football? DE's are sometimes regarded as the best athletes in football. They have to be big, strong, and SUPER FAST/AGILE. Look at all the sack leaders year in and year out. Dwight Freeney, DeMarcus Ware, Jason Taylor, Jared Allen, Mario Williams.

Yes, they have to be strong, be they are extremely quick and agile.

Why do you want everyone to have cookie cutter builds? If Bort changed it like you think he will everyone will just soft cap str/speed/agi and be good. Whats the fun in that? DE's should still have some str, but it shouldn't always be the most important skill. Thats for DT/NT they have to have brute force.