Warrior General Games

Originally posted by coach
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert


You apparently have no concept of the internet term "owned", so he had a few less carries, big deal, with the low averages both players had against those good teams if you raised E.D.'s number of carries to match MJD and didn't change the average, it would have virtually no effect on his total YPC for the year, this is irrelevant data, of which Chad is trying to create a smokescreen.


If you did the math that you describe here you'd find that ED's ypc would drop from 4.7 to 4.3. Virtually no effect?

You apparently have no concept of the internet term "virtually", so he had a few less yards per carry, big deal...

I have a strange feeling we've had this conversation before. Oh, wait, we did:

Originally posted by Asheme
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert

I know an RB is not going to win MVP but I must say our E.D. Jackson was SHAFTED!
Not really. His stats are pretty empty. Against Philly, Chicago, K-Zoo, the Nasty and SAS (the five best opponents he faced), he had 55 carries for 115 yards (2 YPC) and 0 TDs.

Originally posted by Asheme
Alls I'm saying is, a guy who gets 55 carries (and doesn't do much with them) in the only games where his team was challenged, doesn't scream "MVP" to me.

MJD, in his five toughest games, got 340 yards and 2 TDs on 126 carries. Not stellar by any stretch, but his team went to him, which speaks volumes.

Originally posted by JoSCh


You apparently have no concept of the internet term "virtually", so he had a few less yards per carry, big deal...

The key here is that if you take the 1.5 YPC E.D. had against the good teams and raised those carries in those games to hurt his 4.7 average, it has a FAR LESS EFFECT, then if you take the 11 YPC that MJD had against the weak teams to reduce his 4.7 average. This is because the gap and the quantities from both sets are a bigger gap in favor of MJD's overinflation to his YPC than to E.D.'s underinflation. If that makes any sense.

And again, any way you slice it the YPC is an irrelevant factor because the numbers are too close for each, they are a statistical wash and can be factored completely out of the equation and it won't matter. The TDs and the fumbles is the only thing thus remaining.

Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
I'm done with this thread.

I stated my opinion on who should have won the award, and brought the facts to support it, that's all I have. Looking forward to the next season and hoping my players can make a strong case to get more votes next time.

Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
I'm done with this thread.

I stated my opinion on who should have won the award, and brought the facts to support it, that's all I have. Looking forward to the next season and hoping my players can make a strong case to get more votes next time.

Well, looks like you got owned Jed

Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Originally posted by JoSCh



You apparently have no concept of the internet term "virtually", so he had a few less yards per carry, big deal...

The key here is that if you take the 1.5 YPC E.D. had against the good teams and raised those carries in those games to hurt his 4.7 average, it has a FAR LESS EFFECT, then if you take the 11 YPC that MJD had against the weak teams to reduce his 4.7 average. This is because the gap and the quantities from both sets are a bigger gap in favor of MJD's overinflation to his YPC than to E.D.'s underinflation. If that makes any sense.

And again, any way you slice it the YPC is an irrelevant factor because the numbers are too close for each, they are a statistical wash and can be factored completely out of the equation and it won't matter. The TDs and the fumbles is the only thing thus remaining.

You apparently have no concept of the internet term "done", so he had a few more posts in this thread, big deal...

Originally posted by JoSCh


You apparently have no concept of the internet term "done", so he had a few more posts in this thread, big deal...

I am done with this thread for all intents and purposes, but the other poster brought up a different point and it warranted a comment. But for the most part, there's nothing else to talk about unless somebody wants to open up new lines of comments on the issue that aren't already cooked.

Originally posted by ghost247
Well, looks like you got owned Jed

I was close! The next post was 5 lines!

LOL ok no players from GSA, fine we arent a sexy team, but me as one of the top GM. Right. Not sure i set tactics once this season. Keep it up lol

Wow i totally went over him...That should have gotten into the cb awards
Eric thompson
Great numbers Guys>>>Only gave up 9 Pass plays The WHOLE season. Playing as number 1 reciever as a 23 level.

That is what you call shutdown.



Extra stats:
2 Ints
34 Tackles (23 being on running plays or other cb's mistakes.
10 Dp's (They dont usually throw his way)

Originally posted by D-will
10 Dp's (They dont usually throw his way)

That statement was wrong on so many levels.

I usually have a sick mind but the meaning escapes me ...Lol

Originally posted by Jed
Originally posted by D-will

10 Dp's (They dont usually throw his way)

That statement was wrong on so many levels.

Lmao!

Originally posted by Jed
Originally posted by D-will

10 Dp's (They dont usually throw his way)

That statement was wrong on so many levels.

Originally posted by Jed
Originally posted by D-will

10 Dp's (They dont usually throw his way)

That statement was wrong on so many levels.

Team player brother. Nice. Watch out for your cornhole.

Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Originally posted by JoSCh



You apparently have no concept of the internet term "virtually", so he had a few less yards per carry, big deal...

The key here is that if you take the 1.5 YPC E.D. had against the good teams and raised those carries in those games to hurt his 4.7 average, it has a FAR LESS EFFECT, then if you take the 11 YPC that MJD had against the weak teams to reduce his 4.7 average. This is because the gap and the quantities from both sets are a bigger gap in favor of MJD's overinflation to his YPC than to E.D.'s underinflation. If that makes any sense.

And again, any way you slice it the YPC is an irrelevant factor because the numbers are too close for each, they are a statistical wash and can be factored completely out of the equation and it won't matter. The TDs and the fumbles is the only thing thus remaining.

Dude stop switching between potential stats and actual stats. There is no "raising" carries and extrapolating results. Also, YPC is definately NOT irrelevant even if they are considered to be almost equivalent. The fact that E.D. doesn't do shit in tough games means that YPC goes to MJD because he actually did run against good teams. So no, TD's and fumbles aren't the only thing. There's also the 700 extra yards that you keep insist don't matter but they are 700 YARDS. Anyone who claims 700 yards are irrelevant in a HB comparison is retarded. Simple as that. You can say "another HB could have gotten those yards too" but guess what? Another HB didn't. MJD did and E.D. fell short. Maybe another HB on your squad took up those 700 yards but that is no one's fault except for the person setting tactics. You can't say assume that E.D. WOULD have gotten those yards because he didn't. As far as TD's, they were TIED through the regular season (and these are regular season awards) so that is a complete wash. You can say that E.D. had more TD's/carry and call people stupid for not researching that, but then you must be ignorant for not researching all the TD's where MJD got pulled within the 5 yard line for Dayton Rims who functioned as a goal line back on multiple occasions. As for fumbles, clearly E.D. has the advantage but it's not as one-sided as the pure stats show. Considering he gets almost all his rushes against inferior competition, you wouldn't expect him to cough up the ball as much. As I've shown in the KZoo-DDL comparison of their games against elite competition and cupcake competition, the # of rushes against defenses who force a lot of fumbles (Philly, Chicago, Nasty, etc.) isn't even close. E.D. might as well not even suit up for those games. So not only does his "rush only against weak teams" gameplan help protect E.D.'s YPC and increase his TD's/rush, it protects his fumbling numbers as he mostly rushes against lower levels and inferior builds.