I'll start to work on this today, thanks for the heads up.
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No change, I will be sending mail to all team that haven't voted on friday. Lets hope we get some more.
League MVP:Offensive MVP
efensive MVP
For those who have voted, we can think about the parameters of this if we do it.
Most Vailable Player: What does this mean. If the guy wasn't on the team, the team would not have do as well as it did. I think a good example of this is the DT spot. If you have a good DT, the DE really reaps the benifits of that Tackles job. Although that DT did get spectacular stat, he was a big contributor to the DE getting his by taking the double team or putting enough pressure where the HB or FB has to block him instead of the End.
Offensive MVP: I think this is the most productive player on the offense
Defensive MVP: I think this is the most productive player on the defense.
1. No player should get 2 of the three spots available.
2. This vote should be just 3 total people for the east and the west.
3. We need atleast 16 votes, thats 50% of the team to particpate to even post this.
What do you think, give me some input.
League MVP:Offensive MVP
efensive MVPFor those who have voted, we can think about the parameters of this if we do it.
Most Vailable Player: What does this mean. If the guy wasn't on the team, the team would not have do as well as it did. I think a good example of this is the DT spot. If you have a good DT, the DE really reaps the benifits of that Tackles job. Although that DT did get spectacular stat, he was a big contributor to the DE getting his by taking the double team or putting enough pressure where the HB or FB has to block him instead of the End.
Offensive MVP: I think this is the most productive player on the offense
Defensive MVP: I think this is the most productive player on the defense.
1. No player should get 2 of the three spots available.
2. This vote should be just 3 total people for the east and the west.
3. We need atleast 16 votes, thats 50% of the team to particpate to even post this.
What do you think, give me some input.
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its really subjective isnt it.
Rule of thumb seems to be that the MVP ends up being from one of the best teams.
It all depends on what you like I guess. I thought some of the defensive categories were really tough to decide on. Also thought the RB was extremely hard. Do you like the guy who has the most rushes and yards or do you prefer the RB with the higher yards per carry. i.e. sheer quantity or actual effectiveness.
Some categories picked themselves though.
Rule of thumb seems to be that the MVP ends up being from one of the best teams.
It all depends on what you like I guess. I thought some of the defensive categories were really tough to decide on. Also thought the RB was extremely hard. Do you like the guy who has the most rushes and yards or do you prefer the RB with the higher yards per carry. i.e. sheer quantity or actual effectiveness.
Some categories picked themselves though.
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When I do this, this is how I plan to go about it. I will look at the stat leaders from each league. I will then go through each one and remove their best and worst game. This gives me a better gauge, it also takes into account the stat padders that played their starter in games where they we already up by 40 points.
I also think to make this more broad we should take votes from GM and Owners. I would say players also, but tablulating 100s of email doesn't sound like a task I want to attempt.
I also think to make this more broad we should take votes from GM and Owners. I would say players also, but tablulating 100s of email doesn't sound like a task I want to attempt.
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Seems sensible, but it still depends on what you look for in a player though, thats the point I was making.
Is a WR with more receptions better than one with more TD's?
I will be more interested to find out what Stat owners choose to look at to decide some positions.
As for owners and GM's voting...I think it should be just one set of votes per team personally.
If owners and GM's want to discuss their votes to then come up with one set of nominations thats fine, but to potentially have 6 or 7 sets from one team is wrong imo
Is a WR with more receptions better than one with more TD's?
I will be more interested to find out what Stat owners choose to look at to decide some positions.
As for owners and GM's voting...I think it should be just one set of votes per team personally.
If owners and GM's want to discuss their votes to then come up with one set of nominations thats fine, but to potentially have 6 or 7 sets from one team is wrong imo
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yeah, I agree. Some teams have only 2 or 3 GMs while others have 5 or more. It would be unfair for the teams that only have 2 or 3 GMs.
jshynez
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Sounds good. Wouldnt take out peoples best and worse games or anything like that tho, did they do that to brady when new england ran up the score on the garbage teams of the nfl.
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In the NFL, you don't play gutted teams. The team may not be good, but they are still NFL level. Plus, I see a lot of people keep their starters in even when up 40 points, I consider that padding stats. How many games in the NFL do you see that have scores of 80/0 66/0 100/0. Very rare in the NFL.
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its all realitive people do leave there starters in up 35 points see brady vs miami and speaking of miami if that isnt a gutted team then I dont know what is I just dont like the idea of one person deciding which team was a good enough opponent or if the score was to high to count the stats is all think everyone had an equal op to play the same teams basically so we should take the players who made the biggest impact reguardless of situation but if the majority go with your way then im down with it just think things need to be more of a democracy
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This is an example. Hope you don't mind Rock Slinger.
In the 4 blow outs that Rock Slinger was in he threw 1841 yards and 18 TD.
So in four games he threw for 37 percent of his total yards and 47 percent of his TDs. This is defiantly something that need looked at when picking MVP type players.
As for the New England, they are a classless team. That's why they humiliate teams. New England was the first team in decades with the audacity to do such a classless thing. They padded stats all season to get records. It was obvious, other wise once the game was in hand, Brady would sit and let their backups get some work in.
Myself, as an owner, have the setting so my backups are favored once a game gets out of hand. You will notice all the game we had blowout, the second half was pretty much backups and running the ball exclusively. I get no satisfaction out of humiliating teams or padding my stats at their expense.
In the 4 blow outs that Rock Slinger was in he threw 1841 yards and 18 TD.
So in four games he threw for 37 percent of his total yards and 47 percent of his TDs. This is defiantly something that need looked at when picking MVP type players.
As for the New England, they are a classless team. That's why they humiliate teams. New England was the first team in decades with the audacity to do such a classless thing. They padded stats all season to get records. It was obvious, other wise once the game was in hand, Brady would sit and let their backups get some work in.
Myself, as an owner, have the setting so my backups are favored once a game gets out of hand. You will notice all the game we had blowout, the second half was pretty much backups and running the ball exclusively. I get no satisfaction out of humiliating teams or padding my stats at their expense.
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I agree I hate New England too was just an example and most def see what your saying about the stat being padded our starters actually come out in the 4th qt with a 14 point lead(not exactly sure about that seems to have been ok but I think 21 is more of a safer number to be doing that) anyways im cool with whatever the MVP and other awards thing is a fun thing and apperciate that your taking your time to do it so whatever formula we come up with im with it
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Originally posted by Mailstrom
This is an example. Hope you don't mind Rock Slinger.
In the 3 blow outs that Rock Slinger was in he threw 1841 yards and 17 TD.
So in three games he threw for 36 percent of his total yards and 44 percent of his TDs. This is defiantly something that need looked at when picking MVP type players.
As for the New England, they are a classless team. That's why they humiliate teams. New England was the first team in decades with the audacity to do such a classless thing. They padded stats all season to get records. It was obvious, other wise once the game was in hand, Brady would sit and let their backups get some work in.
Myself, as an owner, have the setting so my backups are favored once a game gets out of hand. You will notice all the game we had blowout, the second half was pretty much backups and running the ball exclusively. I get no satisfaction out of humiliating teams or padding my stats at their expense.
I think your math is off. I would really like to have had those kind of #'s. Thats over 600 yards a game and 5.66 TD's. With #'s like that he would have to be the MVP. I think the most he threw for was 526.
Passing Rushing Fumbles
Week Team Opp Score QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Sack Rush Yds Avg TD Fumb FumbL
1 MIN FOR W28-15 66.7 31 55 56.4 292.5 5.3 3 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2 MIN DIT W3-58 137.8 33 44 75 455.0 10.3 7 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
3 MIN MIA W35-9 123.4 27 36 75 268.0 7.4 3 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
4 MIN SAN W13-16 66.6 29 51 56.9 210.0 4.1 0 0 0 1 -3.0 -3 0 0 0
5 MIN BAC W26-6 53.8 26 45 57.8 239.0 5.3 0 2 1 1 -6.0 -6 0 0 0
6 MIN DEA W3-78 92.8 43 74 58.1 451.5 6.1 5 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
7 MIN ALB W26-24 75.7 40 56 71.4 310.0 5.5 1 2 1 1 -6.0 -6 0 0 0
8 MIN PEC W7-33 100.1 32 46 69.6 282.0 6.1 2 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
9 MIN RAL W20-6 65.5 29 49 59.2 206.0 4.2 2 2 1 1 -5.0 -5 0 0 0
10 MIN SAN W10-30 92.3 27 39 69.2 244.5 6.3 2 1 1 2 -3.5 -1.8 0 0 0
11 MIN LAS W30-23 65.8 28 50 56 224.5 4.5 1 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
12 MIN BIR W26-10 86.9 28 44 63.6 275.5 6.3 2 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
13 MIN SAI W0-53 95.1 48 64 75 409.5 6.4 2 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
14 MIN ATO W40-14 120.9 36 45 80 346.0 7.7 3 0 1 1 -4.5 -4.5 0 0 0
15 MIN FOR W0-68 101.8 45 73 61.6 526.5 7.2 4 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
16 MIN YOU W10-26 69 29 52 55.8 275.0 5.3 1 1 1 1 -2.0 -2 0 0 0
17 MIN ALB L16-20 79.8 34 49 69.4 254.5 5.2 1 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
18 MIN IND W19-9 68 11 21 52.4 112.0 5.3 0 0 1 1 -5.5 -5.5 0 0 0
Plus he is the first QB to break 5000 yards in BBB#5, and not sure how many other Qb's in all of BBB threw for 5000 yards.
I had to go and check. In all of BBB there were 4 Qb's to throw for over 5000 yards, and Rock would be 3rd. I think the most is 5164.
This is an example. Hope you don't mind Rock Slinger.
In the 3 blow outs that Rock Slinger was in he threw 1841 yards and 17 TD.
So in three games he threw for 36 percent of his total yards and 44 percent of his TDs. This is defiantly something that need looked at when picking MVP type players.
As for the New England, they are a classless team. That's why they humiliate teams. New England was the first team in decades with the audacity to do such a classless thing. They padded stats all season to get records. It was obvious, other wise once the game was in hand, Brady would sit and let their backups get some work in.
Myself, as an owner, have the setting so my backups are favored once a game gets out of hand. You will notice all the game we had blowout, the second half was pretty much backups and running the ball exclusively. I get no satisfaction out of humiliating teams or padding my stats at their expense.
I think your math is off. I would really like to have had those kind of #'s. Thats over 600 yards a game and 5.66 TD's. With #'s like that he would have to be the MVP. I think the most he threw for was 526.
Passing Rushing Fumbles
Week Team Opp Score QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Sack Rush Yds Avg TD Fumb FumbL
1 MIN FOR W28-15 66.7 31 55 56.4 292.5 5.3 3 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2 MIN DIT W3-58 137.8 33 44 75 455.0 10.3 7 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
3 MIN MIA W35-9 123.4 27 36 75 268.0 7.4 3 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
4 MIN SAN W13-16 66.6 29 51 56.9 210.0 4.1 0 0 0 1 -3.0 -3 0 0 0
5 MIN BAC W26-6 53.8 26 45 57.8 239.0 5.3 0 2 1 1 -6.0 -6 0 0 0
6 MIN DEA W3-78 92.8 43 74 58.1 451.5 6.1 5 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
7 MIN ALB W26-24 75.7 40 56 71.4 310.0 5.5 1 2 1 1 -6.0 -6 0 0 0
8 MIN PEC W7-33 100.1 32 46 69.6 282.0 6.1 2 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
9 MIN RAL W20-6 65.5 29 49 59.2 206.0 4.2 2 2 1 1 -5.0 -5 0 0 0
10 MIN SAN W10-30 92.3 27 39 69.2 244.5 6.3 2 1 1 2 -3.5 -1.8 0 0 0
11 MIN LAS W30-23 65.8 28 50 56 224.5 4.5 1 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
12 MIN BIR W26-10 86.9 28 44 63.6 275.5 6.3 2 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
13 MIN SAI W0-53 95.1 48 64 75 409.5 6.4 2 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
14 MIN ATO W40-14 120.9 36 45 80 346.0 7.7 3 0 1 1 -4.5 -4.5 0 0 0
15 MIN FOR W0-68 101.8 45 73 61.6 526.5 7.2 4 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
16 MIN YOU W10-26 69 29 52 55.8 275.0 5.3 1 1 1 1 -2.0 -2 0 0 0
17 MIN ALB L16-20 79.8 34 49 69.4 254.5 5.2 1 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
18 MIN IND W19-9 68 11 21 52.4 112.0 5.3 0 0 1 1 -5.5 -5.5 0 0 0
Plus he is the first QB to break 5000 yards in BBB#5, and not sure how many other Qb's in all of BBB threw for 5000 yards.
I had to go and check. In all of BBB there were 4 Qb's to throw for over 5000 yards, and Rock would be 3rd. I think the most is 5164.
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Was in 4 blow outs, sorry. But still the numbers are way higher than the average of the other 12 games.
37 Percent of all your passing yard came in 4 games (455,451,509,526)
47 percent of all your TD came in 4 games (7,5,2,4)
This wasn't a barb at your QB, it is just to show numbers need to qualified. We have starting QBs in this league that didn't get your 4 game output. Thats not saying you QB didn't have a great year, just when voting for an MVP this is another factor that needs to be looked at.
Your next best game was a 346 3 TD performance agains the Wedgies. It was a blow out also, but their talent level was there, they just had a bad game against you.
This a a big reason right now that stat are not the best indiactor of how good your player is. It only take 1 or 2 games against gutted or rebuilding team to sky rocket you totals.
Current Season 5015 yards and 38 TD
Your Season Against similar Talent 3174 Yards and 20 TD
So if I project your total against simialr talent it would look like this
3967 yards and 25 TDs
Hey, but I am a numbers person and I am just one opinion.
I did the other post late last night and hirried it a bit.
37 Percent of all your passing yard came in 4 games (455,451,509,526)
47 percent of all your TD came in 4 games (7,5,2,4)
This wasn't a barb at your QB, it is just to show numbers need to qualified. We have starting QBs in this league that didn't get your 4 game output. Thats not saying you QB didn't have a great year, just when voting for an MVP this is another factor that needs to be looked at.
Your next best game was a 346 3 TD performance agains the Wedgies. It was a blow out also, but their talent level was there, they just had a bad game against you.
This a a big reason right now that stat are not the best indiactor of how good your player is. It only take 1 or 2 games against gutted or rebuilding team to sky rocket you totals.
Current Season 5015 yards and 38 TD
Your Season Against similar Talent 3174 Yards and 20 TD
So if I project your total against simialr talent it would look like this
3967 yards and 25 TDs
Hey, but I am a numbers person and I am just one opinion.
I did the other post late last night and hirried it a bit.
Last edited Jul 18, 2008 12:28:50
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Originally posted by Mailstrom
Was in 4 blow outs, sorry. But still the numbers are way higher than the average of the other 12 games.
37 Percent of all your passing yard came in 4 games (455,451,509,526)
47 percent of all your TD came in 4 games (7,5,2,4)
This wasn't a barb at your QB, it is just to show numbers need to qualified. We have starting QBs in this league that didn't get your 4 game output. Thats not saying you QB didn't have a great year, just when voting for an MVP this is another factor that needs to be looked at.
Your next best game was a 346 3 TD performance agains the Wedgies. It was a blow out also, but their talent level was there, they just had a bad game against you.
This a a big reason right now that stat are not the best indiactor of how good your player is. It only take 1 or 2 games against gutted or rebuilding team to sky rocket you totals.
Current Season 5015 yards and 38 TD
Your Season Against similar Talent 3174 Yards and 20 TD
So if I project your total against simialr talent it would look like this
3967 yards and 25 TDs
Hey, but I am a numbers person and I am just one opinion.
I did the other post late last night and hirried it a bit.
Game plans change or we could have had 6000 yards plus. Some games we wanted enough run to control the Clock. I wanted to pass 100% of the time, but got out voted. I get your point though. Some of his best games were 250 yards.
Was in 4 blow outs, sorry. But still the numbers are way higher than the average of the other 12 games.
37 Percent of all your passing yard came in 4 games (455,451,509,526)
47 percent of all your TD came in 4 games (7,5,2,4)
This wasn't a barb at your QB, it is just to show numbers need to qualified. We have starting QBs in this league that didn't get your 4 game output. Thats not saying you QB didn't have a great year, just when voting for an MVP this is another factor that needs to be looked at.
Your next best game was a 346 3 TD performance agains the Wedgies. It was a blow out also, but their talent level was there, they just had a bad game against you.
This a a big reason right now that stat are not the best indiactor of how good your player is. It only take 1 or 2 games against gutted or rebuilding team to sky rocket you totals.
Current Season 5015 yards and 38 TD
Your Season Against similar Talent 3174 Yards and 20 TD
So if I project your total against simialr talent it would look like this
3967 yards and 25 TDs
Hey, but I am a numbers person and I am just one opinion.
I did the other post late last night and hirried it a bit.
Game plans change or we could have had 6000 yards plus. Some games we wanted enough run to control the Clock. I wanted to pass 100% of the time, but got out voted. I get your point though. Some of his best games were 250 yards.
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