Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Shöcks
All the dots that made me start believing in 80 vis for fake HBs are buried so deep in PLFT that I can't even find them...

ik their was one ESPECIALLY, I'm not sure if it was S35->S36 or S36->S37 offseason that got recruited pretty quickly... Amazing fake build, and replays... 80vis

I have.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2006165
And his performance suck.
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Originally posted by coreyls18
I think the HB movement is based off what their run slider is set at more than anything and has nothing to do with vision. It clearly says in the Vision description that it helps head fake and juke more effective. What that means to me is whether you have 48 vision or 80 vision it doesnt make head fake or juke fire more or less but it makes the strength of that head fake/juke stronger. Meaning if a defender was juked by a player with 40 vision he may be on the ground for 1 tick, but if juked by a player with 80 vision he may be on the ground for 3 ticks. Thats just an example.

Edit: also to add, i dont care how it works, I will always take vision to 3rd cap. Regardless of any proof from any one whether its the best or worst builder.

Actually I think it's Bort's bad code, he force ball carrier run into D player to give D a chance to stop running.

Originally posted by aaasahi
I have.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2006165
And his performance suck.
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How often did you notice head fake fire with that dot?

Originally posted by aaasahi
I have.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2006165
And his performance suck.
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Slow and low strength. also no fake piece

Originally posted by Shöcks
lol wtf? I've OCd for enough teams to know that I would rather choose a ~80vis faker than a ~50vis faker.

Case closed.

Instead of getting hurt, either accept or decline my opinion personally. Because I know there are people who agree with me... So I don't really know why you are taking this so personally.


. Low lvl coordinator with zero experience at the max lvl arguing with an entire thread once again, how familiar is this coming from u Jampysauce.... What is really funny is how u manage elude to all of jpjn94's posts since u having nothing to say to him proving your wrong. It's normal though, u make up excuses and argue with everyone on this game because arguing and making up shit is all you really know how to do.

Originally posted by Shöcks
Slow and low strength. also no fake piece

You are arguing vision, don't escape from your topic.

Originally posted by jpjn94
How often did you notice head fake fire with that dot?



Not really count for that, but head fake firing didn't help anything.

ITT we learn that all else being equal, having one attribute 30 points higher makes a player better.

Originally posted by Bane
Originally posted by jpjn94

your statement about what the Vision description states is so beginner player player corey I would have thought you've learned by now.

I love stutter typing

I love quote fails

If you had more vision you would have saw that

Originally posted by Sellars
. Low lvl coordinator with zero experience at the max lvl arguing with an entire thread once again, how familiar is this coming from u Jampysauce.... What is really funny is how u manage elude to all of jpjn94's posts since u having nothing to say to him proving your wrong. It's normal though, u make up excuses and argue with everyone on this game because arguing and making up shit is all you really know how to do.

yOU RE serious,y hurt sellars..... idk why ut its rly ok...

I like you selalars, I rly do, but idk why ur hurt. If I did anythng to upset u just pm me lol .... but anyway, ive coordinated plenty of 68, if you think I dont know about 79s you're mistaken buuddy....

Anyway, I truly believe 80vis fake HBs fake better than lower vis Hbs, if I didn't believe so I wuldn't be saying that...................

Originally posted by Shöcks

Anyway, I truly believe 80vis fake HBs fake better than lower vis Hbs, if I didn't believe so I wuldn't be saying that...................

We understand you believe that but didn't someone at some point tell you Santa Claus didn't exist even though you believed in that too. We're just trying to tell you Santa Claus doesn't exist man

Originally posted by whodey08
I love quote fails

If you had more vision you would have saw that

damn it !

Originally posted by Shöcks
yOU RE serious,y hurt sellars..... idk why ut its rly ok...

I like you selalars, I rly do, but idk why ur hurt. If I did anythng to upset u just pm me lol .... but anyway, ive coordinated plenty of 68, if you think I dont know about 79s you're mistaken buuddy....

Anyway, I truly believe 80vis fake HBs fake better than lower vis Hbs, if I didn't believe so I wuldn't be saying that...................

I think we all know and agree that 80 VIS is > less than 80. But u really need to look at it like this, a CB with 105 nat VIS or 120 AGL (w/EQ) will do certain things far better, you just can't justify either of those 2 things for obvious reason's. Reason being the benefit is just not worth the resources required at the expense of other parts of the dot's build. A HB can get awesome value from Jumping, power thru and in this sim u really will be hard pressed to find a top team who will take on a fumble prone back so STR must get a certain amount of attention as well. Being that VIS is a major its pretty reasonable to take it up to at least 60 for very little investment however u can get really good value and better returns performance wise from things other than taking VIS to 80.

Originally posted by Shöcks
yOU RE serious,y hurt sellars..... idk why ut its rly ok...

I like you selalars, I rly do, but idk why ur hurt. If I did anythng to upset u just pm me lol .... but anyway, ive coordinated plenty of 68, if you think I dont know about 79s you're mistaken buuddy....

Anyway, I truly believe 80vis fake HBs fake better than lower vis Hbs, if I didn't believe so I wuldn't be saying that...................

You can just believe anything, but don't say something like there are "correct answer"
We don't know how game coded, so we can only rely on replay and stat to judge if something help.
And from our experience, we had conclusion that 80 vision is over skill, waste resource.

If you don't agree that, just show us "good fake HB".
Like MileHighShoes did when people said light CB can't fumble.